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Isn't that the point though?
Picks 6 through 10 typically go to sides that are bad at winning, they make finals less and win less. It makes sense that those clubs are worse at drafting and development because they go hand in hand. Clubs that can't win are going to be overall unsuccessful and worse in all areas
I think what happens is that the top 5 or so picks are usually the consensus best players. After that it's not as much of a consensus so it falls back on the individual clubs recruiting department to find and develop the best players. The lower ranked sides which are more likely to get these picks aren't as good at it, compared to the higher ranked sides who pick slightly later.
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Yeah was a pretty strong draft when you look back at it. Rayner, Brayshaw, LDU and Cerra top 5, with Naughton, Fog and Zac Bailey in the teens.
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I say we draft glen maxwell.
I will release them a few days before the draftWould love to see your rankings at some point mate
I think we need to forget what pick number OSullivan is going for.
How many list holes do we have?
KPD
Ruck (tbc)
Wing
Third tall forward
A grade mid
We aren't addressing 3 of these this draft.
Wilson and Osullivan would tick 2 off.
Welsh FS next year - 3.
Then all eggs in on an A grade midfielder and once team matures grab a ruck.
How many list holes do we have?
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Ruck (tbc)
Wing
Third tall forward
A grade mid
We aren't addressing 3 of these this draft.
Wilson and Osullivan would tick 2 off.
Welsh FS next year - 3.
Then all eggs in on an A grade midfielder and once team matures grab a ruck.
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Soon??
People are definitely over complicating things
They are high picks and just need to pick the best players available
Reaching for a key defender like Mcasey was a learning experience , we shouldn’t be ‘reaching’ for a midfielder either unless it’s the best available talent
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How dare these kids not immediately play like 100 gamers... Seriously if you hate draft talk as much as it seems you do why are you even here?
Got an SA order ?
Mine re the 18/19 yo’s
Mccabe mid to late 1st
Goad early 2nd
B Ryan late 2nd
Moir late 2nd
Evans 3rd +
McCauliffe 3rd+
Delean late/ rookie
Patton late/rookie ( edited )
Not a great year , can’t wait for Phoenix Hargrave , Welsh , Draper next year
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I'm really keen on Hargrave next year, even more so than draper, both would be nice though. I would like to see a new approach starting this year. Time to throw the baby out with the bathwater and delist some of the out of SA talent that we can ascertain won't be here for our next premiership tilt. Delist Ned, scholl, Strachan and Gollant, don't rerookie any of them including borlase..
Then with our first 2 picks at the ND take 1st available, 20 take Goad, and bring our other pick in after other clubs pass to load up the list and rookie list with SA boys that will still be available like, Moir, McCauliffe, Bodie Ryan, Harry Francis, Delean, Ben Ridgeway, Will patton or Weckert.
I am not opposed to selecting the best talent from anywhere in Australia but a culture shift to choosing local talent would be dynamic in my humble opinion.
And next year our focus should be on draper, Hargrave and Welsh
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AFL Draft 2023: Experts reveal their final top 50 consensus rankings
The AFL Draft is just days away and our experts have put their heads together to bring you their final top 50. See who makes the cut and have your say.selective players and pick ranges possibly relevant to Crows below
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Nate Caddy
Northern Knights/VIC, Forward, 193cm, 88kg
CC – 11: Didn’t have as consistent a season as some of the other top-10 prospects, but still showed plenty of glimpses of what he can become. He’s a strong mark overhead, a booming kick can even have a stint through the midfield.DB – 10: A dangerous threat in the air and at ground level up forward with his contested marking, power and agility. Ran the 2ker in 6:35, suggesting he has the potential to be used as a hulking midfielder in the future, where he dominated at stages for Northern Knights.
JP – 9: If we’re talking upside, you could mount the case for Caddy to be even higher than this. He has great hands above his head as a forward, but the way he uses those hands to find a teammate in the midfield, after assessing the options is equally as eye-catching, even if just in spurts
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Readers's Top 50:42
Connor O’ Sullivan
Murray Bushrangers/NSW-ACT, Defender, 198cm, 92kg
CC – 9: One of the more ready-made key defenders that has come through the draft in recent years. Not only is he 198cm, but he also has a fairly mature body for an 18-year-old. Can beat opponents in the air or at ground level.DB – 9: O’Sullivan can play just about anywhere on the ground but looks most settled in defence, where he can clunk intercept marks and cover the ground with his elite endurance base – running the eighth best time in the 2km time trial. Scary to think the 198cm talent was used in the midfield at times this year.
JP – 12: O’Sullivan’s height is accentuated by terrific reach, a combination which makes him a dominant force in the air.
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Readers's Top 50:25
Caleb Windsor
Eastern Ranges/VIC, Wing, 184cm, 76kg
CC – 13: Has pushed up the rankings across the course of the year to sit firmly in the top-15 prospects in this draft pool. A wingman with pace to burn, he works hard, holds his lanes well and can also play as an inside midfielder.DB – 14: Has risen in estimations as the year has gone on as an athletically gifted wingman who is creative and efficient with ball in hand. Glides across the ground and then hits his opponents with a lightning burst of speed.
JP – 8: The classy mover has a great turn of speed, which helps him gets him out of trouble, break lines and kick goals on the outside. But Windsor has shown enough to suggest he can develop into an all-round midfielder – one with clean hands at ground level who finds targets under pressure.
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Readers's Top 50:26
Jake Rogers
Gold Coast Suns Academy/QLD, Midfielder, 170cm, 68kg
CC – 14: Spent some time with Touk Miller through the Suns’ Academy program this year and is a very similar player. Racks up the footy, has incredibly clean hands, is dynamic and has good speed. On the smaller side for an AFL midfielder these days, but is hard-at-it in the contest.DB – 11: At 170cm, you need to have some elite traits and Rogers has those in spades with his speed, agility, and super clean hands below his knees. Dominated in both AFL Academy games against senior opposition, suggesting he can crack into the Suns forward line next year. And he should be used through the midfield in the future.
JP – 11: Slick, in his movement, and with his hands, making him very hard to for the opposition to get a hold of. There’s not a lot he doesn’t do very well, and it’s only his height that sees him this far down.
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Readers's Top 50:7
James Leake
Tasmania Devils/TAS, Defender, 187cm, 77kg
CC – 10: The potential top-10 draft bolter – with good reason. He’s a good size, is strong in the contest, has great athletic attributes and has proven his flexibility to play at either end of the ground or through the midfield. Ticks a lot of boxes.DB – 13: The Tasmanian swingman can turn a game at either end with his vice-like hands, soaring leap and speed off the mark. Impressed at national level for the Allies down back and kicked 12 goals in the space of three games for Devils late in the year. Have pushed him up a few spots since last week due to his match-winning qualities.
JP – 13: An under-18 All-Australian as a defender – where he really came to the fore when the ball hit the ground - before showing his value at the other end, starring in the Coates League as a forward to finish the year. A lot to like.
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Readers's Top 50:8
Darcy Wilson
Murray Bushrangers/VIC, Wing/forward, 185cm, 74kg
CC – 12: The first thing that springs to mind about Wilson is ‘elite runner’. But he’s more than that. He has good football IQ, is a thumping kick and can hit the scoreboard. The wing role in the AFL has become increasingly important and Wilson is a perfect fit for it.DB – 12: A running machine with a massive leap, Wilson finished first in the running vertical jump and second in the 2km time trial. Can slot in on a wing or off a half-forward flank, where he can work up the ground and be seriously dangerous around goal. Has already matched it against men earlier this year for the AFL Academy and should be get opportunities next year.
JP – 14: Wilson is a terrific athlete and it’s his running that sets him apart – over short and long distances. But his ability to hit the scoreboard isn’t far behind.
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Readers's Top 50:43
Jordan Croft
Calder Cannons/VIC, Forward, 200cm, 81kg
CC – 15: Expect a bid on the Bulldogs father-son to come somewhere in the teens. He has a few other fans as a mobile 200cm key forward who provides a real presence in the air. Having so many talented talls on their list will be a good problem to have for the Dogs.DB – 16: Will need a few pre-seasons to build size but his leap, strong contested marking and elite endurance and height will make him hard to stop. But how will the Western Bulldogs father-son fit in alongside Aaron Naughton and Jamarra Ugle-Hagan in the future?
JP – 19: Like many young talls, Croft will take time, but the way he covers the ground for a 200cm big man and marks the ball at its highest point means the Bulldogs will have no hesitation matching an early bid.
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Readers's Top 50:27
Koltyn Tholstrup
Subiaco/WA, Forward/Midfielder, 186cm, 86kg
CC – 16: Played plenty of senior WAFL football this year and impressed in the 2km time trial and agility tests at the national draft combine. Can impact in attack but also provide something different during bursts in the midfield.DB – 18: : Has plenty of swagger and X-Factor but he also does the hard things, restricting dual Sandover medallist Jye Bolton to 12 SuperCoach ranking points in a tagging job in the WAFL. Donning a bright gold pair of visors atop his shaggy mullet at the combine, Tholstrup is sure to be a fan favourite wherever he goes.
JP – 16: Strong, aggressive and creative, Tholstrup just makes things happen when he’s near the ball. Looks ready to come in and play a role at AFL level next year.
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Readers's Top 50:44
Will McCabe
Central Districts/SA, Defender, 197cm, 86kg
CC – 18: The Hawthorn father-son prospect looks highly likely to attract a bid in the teens. The South Australian missed a chunk of the season with a foot injury but showed plenty as a key defender when he was on the park this year.DB – 17: McCabe combines superb reading of the play with elite decision making and skills by foot. Seven intercept marks on SANFL Reserves debut for Central Districts underlined the potential of the Hawks father-son.
JP – 20: The athletic defender can play on talls and smalls and is very good one-one-one, but he shines, winning the ball back off the opposition in the air and attacking the other way
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Readers's Top 50:37
Charlie Edwards
Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Midfielder, 191cm, 85kg
CC – 20: A late-season bolter, Edwards started the season across half-back for the Sandringham Dragons but moved into the midfield to great effect in the second half of the year. He can drive his legs through traffic, is a penetrating kick and is a great size for a modern-day midfielder.DB – 22: There is an element of unknown about Edwards given he didn’t feature for Vic Metro at the national championships. But his speed from congestion and height gives him exciting potential in a draft class lacking midfield depth, and he can also play off halfback.
JP – 15: He’s a bolter for good reason, with Edwards proving just what a midfield weapon he can be late in the season, putting his big body, clean hands and breakaway speed to great effect. Smaller sample size than some, but it might be enough.
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Readers's Top 50:14
Lance Collard
Subiaco/WA, Forward, 180cm, 65kg
CC – 21: The Bobby Hill clone emerged in the second half of the season and backed up his strong athletic attributes at the national draft combine. A quick and agile goalkicking small forward who booted 10 goals across two finals in the WAFL Colts.DB – 20: Collard has freakish ability as a small forward, with his purple patch to finish the season in for Subiaco Colts featuring a litany of dazzling goals: selling candy, snaps from the boundary, the lot. It’s quite a step up from WAFL Colts to senior football, but his bag of tricks will be difficult for any defender to stop in time.
JP – 18: Made fellow top-30 prospect Luamon Lual look silly in WA’s final game of the under-18 carnival, taking the ball on the ground, spinning to his feet and accelerating away and kicking a goal on the run. Does things many others can’t.
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Readers's Top 50:28
Riley Hardeman
Swan Districts/WA, Defender, 185cm, 75kg
CC – 17: A nice left-footed rebounding defender who captained Western Australia at the national championships. His speed and booming and accurate kick are features of his game and he was one of the more in-demand players at the national draft combine when it came to club interviews.DB – 21: Of all the half-backs available, Hardeman was the best of the lot on the national stage. His elite kicking, speed and reading of the play at his size is an attractive combination for a side looking for a rebounding defender.
JP – 21: A lively defender, Hardeman gets in great spots to the win ball back off the opposition and springboard the ball back the other way. He’s a nice size and a great runner.
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Readers's Top 50:45
Harry DeMattia
Dandenong Stingrays/VIC, Midfielder/Forward/Defender, 185cm, 78kg
CC – 22: Clubs tend to like dual-sport athletes and DeMattia has represented Victoria in cricket. He’s got explosive speed, serious agility and clean hands. Can be deployed across a range of positions.DB – 15: No matter who I put at No.15 in my personal rankings, it just didn’t feel quite right. It might be a touch high for DeMattia, but the dual sportsman can play in just about any position on the ground, has blistering speed and is an elite kick. Add his leadership and ultra-professional mindset, having gone through the elite cricket pathway and you’ve got an extremely well-rounded prospect.
JP – 26: Strong, clean and versatile, every club would have a role for the gifted sports star, but he might just do everything a little too fast sometimes.
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Readers's Top 50:5
Arie Schoenmaker
Tasmania Devils/TAS, Defender, 194cm, 91kg
CC – 23: A versatile prospect from who can break the play open from the back-half with his penetrating left-foot kick. He also spent some time in the ruck at the tail end of the Coates Talent League season and hit the scoreboard.DB – 23: Best kick in the draft? Certainly the most penetrating. He learnt the hard way to lift his professionalism after a 10-week suspension for a drinking related indiscretion early on in the season, and he said himself that it has helped him get into the position he is in now.
JP – 17: At 194cm, the way he rolls onto that left foot is a thing of beauty. Has come from a long way back this year and seemingly learnt a lot along the way.
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Readers's Top 50:38
Ollie Murphy
Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Defender, 200cm, 85kg
CC – 19: There’s some suggestions the key defender could slide back a little further than earlier thought. But Murphy looks a good long-term prospect and showed it during the national championships as he won Vic Metro’s MVP award.DB – 19: After watching some more vision I have moved Will McCabe ahead as I feel he offers a bit more as a key defender. But nonetheless, Murphy has an elite tank, is nimble and has good skills – a handy mix for a player standing 200cm.
JP – 23: A strong national carnival solidified the 200cm defender’s place in the draft. He’s got the height to match it with the big forwards at the next level and he’s got neat skills to match.
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Readers's Top 50:46
Archie Roberts
Sandringham Dragons/VIC, Defender, 184cm, 79kg
CC – 25: A rebounding left-foot halfback who breaks the lines and didn’t put a foot wrong this season. He won flags with his school team at Haileybury and also the Sandringham Dragons. Roberts also tested well at the national draft combine, finishing seventh in the 2km time trial.DB – 30: A late slider for me. Feel defenders Lual, Jiath and Hastie have greater scope, but Roberts you can’t go wrong with Roberts as a reliable halfback who consistently provides run from behind
JP – 22: A very neat ball-user, Roberts back himself and takes the game, setting up play as creatively as any rebounding-defender in the pool.
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Readers's Top 50:39
Tew Jiath
Gippsland Power/VIC, Defender, 188cm, 72kg
CC – 29: The younger brother of Hawthorn’s Changkuoth Jiath is linked to Hawthorn’s NGA, but it’s hard to see him getting past pick 40 for the Hawks to be able to match a bid on him. An athletic defender who still has plenty of upside to come.DB – 26: Ahead of his brother, Changkuoth, at the same age – and we saw how steep his development was from the point he was drafted. A serious bolter after an eye-catching finish to the season where his intercepting, turn of step and composure set tongues wagging
JP – 24: Didn’t feature in the Coates League until round 9, so the rise has been steep this year – and might have only just started, too. Has shown similar top-end traits to his brother.
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Readers's Top 50:9
George Stevens
GWV Rebels/VIC, Midfielder, 189cm, 101kg
CC – 27: Remains a fascinating prospect as a big-bodied onballer who wins plenty of the footy. His speed has been his main knock, but Stevens looks a ready-made prospect and is tough, clean and a decent kick. He’ll get picked up, but opinions differ around just where in the order that will be.DB – 25: One of the most polarising players in the draft class. Has worked tirelessly to address concerns over his speed and his high-end performances can’t be ignored in my view. Showed he can play as contested ball-winner or off halfback with his kicking skills, and can impact from the get-go with his ready-made frame
JP – 32: Tough, clean and prolific, Stevens has enjoyed a standout junior career. But will his lack of pace hold him back at the next level?
Readers's Top 50:18
Zane Zakostelsky
Claremont/WA, Defender/Ruck, 196cm, 89kg
CC – 38: Finished the season with a bang with a standout WAFL Colts Grand Final followed by playing a starring role at the national draft combineDB – 34: With his exciting athletic make-up, his upside is enormous. Won the best-on-ground medal in the Colts grand final where he won a whopping 18 contested possessions as a ruckman and showed off his intercepting as a key defender for WA.
JP – 39
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Readers's Top 50:4
Taylor Goad
South Adelaide/SA, Ruck, 206cm, 97kg
CC – 42: The equal-tallest player to attend the national draft combine and there is plenty of upside there given he is still relatively new to the AFL talent pathwaysDB – 41: Has there ever been a 206cm ruckman who can run 20 metres in 2.96-seconds – as he did at the draft combine? Very new to the game so there is significant upside with that mobility.
JP – 28
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Readers's Top 50:19
Joel Freijah
GWV Rebels/VIC, Wing, 190cm, 88kg
CC – 31: There are some knocks on his willingness to go after the hard ball, but the wingman runs elite patterns, is a good size, kicks the ball well and is generally clean and composed. He can also push forward and kick a goalDB – 40: Freijah works tirelessly up and down the wing and the stats might not always reflect his influence. Burst onto the radar with six goals from 26 disposals and 10 marks early in the year, but his contested game will need to improve at the next level.
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Readers's Top 50:10
Ashton Moir
Glenelg/SA, Forward, 187cm, 85kg
CC – 46: He’ll get picked up somewhere in the middle part of the draft given his talent, but it’s hard to rank Moir highly in relation to others in the pool given his 2023 campaignDB – 36: Moir's competitiveness has been questioned. However, there is no doubting his freakish talent, being able to kick 50m on both sides of his body. A club could do worse than to take a punt on him in the back-half of the draft.
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