List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

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Vader said:
Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.
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PeterSalt said:
From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

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There's a link in the post above
 
baldandbroke said:
Whoah .... I'm not having a fight with you.

WTF?
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I don’t know how many more times I’ve had to make myself clear, you’re peddling a point I’m not making. I looked at the ins and whether I believe those teams have improved for 2024 i terms of their premiership chances, the teams I’ve listed I believe they have and given that’s their objective, good on them, they aren’t rebuilding so picks mean little.

I’ve tried to leave it at that. I’ve been accused on here of not letting an argument go and I’m not trying to continue it.
 
George Kramer said:
I don’t know how many more times I’ve had to make myself clear, you’re peddling a point I’m not making. I looked at the ins and whether I believe those teams have improved for 2024 i terms of their premiership chances, the teams I’ve listed I believe they have and given that’s their objective, good on them, they aren’t rebuilding so picks mean little.

I’ve tried to leave it at that. I’ve been accused on here of not letting an argument go and I’m not trying to continue it.
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Sanders said:
Bizarrely, that year it technically still was first round

So yes.
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"First round" has little to no meaning anymore as it can stretch into the low to mid 20s these days.

Statistically picks 1 to 5 have a hugely greater success rate than picks from 10 onwards. Statistacally a mid to late first rounder is barely more likely to guarantee a good player than a pick in the 30s yet people treat it like its something special.
 
50BC said:
"First round" has little to no meaning anymore as it can stretch into the low to mid 20s these days.
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Low to mid 20s feels generous. The first round made it to pick 27 in 2010 and 30 in 2011 (because of all the concessions that had to be made for Gold Coast and GWS). 26 picks in the first of 2020 is the current record for a season without a new team, and we're guaranteed to at least match that this season.
 
baldandbroke said:
Jeez George - we are talking possible slight improvements by trades for most of those teams. Which player would you have wanted in the list of traded players below. I'd take McAdam :)

Adelaide
Draft picks: 10, 14, 20, 89
Traded in: Chris Burgess
Traded out: Tom Doedee (FA), Shane McAdam
List changes: Tyler Brown (del), Jackson Hately (del), Fischer McAsey (ret), Andrew McPherson (del), Tariek Newchurch (del), Paul Seedsman (ret)
Result: Best 22 not improved by trades, draft picks improved.

Swans
Draft picks: 12, 45, 55, 91
Traded in: Taylor Adams, Brodie Grundy, Joel Hamling, James Jordon
Traded out: Dylan Stephens
List changes: Ryan Clarke (del), Will Gould (del), Hugo Hall-Kahan (del), Lance Franklin (ret), Tom Hickey (ret), Paddy McCartin (ret), Cameron Owen (del), Lachlan Rankin (del), Marc Sheather (del)
Result: Best 22 slightly improved by trades, draft picks not improved.

Port
Draft picks: 73
Traded in: Esava Ratugolea, Ivan Soldo, Jordon Sweet, Brandon Zerk-Thatcher
Traded out: Xavier Duursma
List changes: Nathan Barkla (del), Riley Bonner (del), Trent Dumont (del), Tom Jonas (ret), Brynn Teakle (del)
Result: Best 22 maybe slightly improved by trades, draft picks devastated.

Essendon
Draft picks: 9, 31, 35, 61, 73, 88
Traded in: Todd Goldstein, Jade Gresham, Ben McKay, Xavier Duursma
Traded out: Massimo D’Ambrosio, Brandon Zerk-Thatcher
List changes: Alastair Lord (del), Cian McBride (del), Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (ret), Rhett Montgomerie (del), Anthony Munkara (del), Andrew Phillips (ret)
Result: Best 22 maybe improved by trades, draft picks ok.

Brisbane
Draft picks: 30, 39, 51, 54, 67, 97
Traded in: Tom Doedee, Brandon Ryan
Traded out: Tom Fullarton, Jack Gunston
List changes: Marcus Adams (ret), Daniel Rich (ret)
Result: Best 22 slightly improved by trades, drafts picks lessened.

Pies
Draft picks: 19, 33, 80, 98
Traded in: Lachie Schultz
Traded out: Taylor Adams, Jack Ginnivan
List changes: Trent Bianco (del), Arlo Draper (del), Cooper Murley (del), Trey Ruscoe (del), Tom Wilson (del)
Result: Best 22 not improved by trades, draft picks ok.

Hawks
Draft picks: 4, 44, 47, 49, 62, 63, 83
Traded in: Massimo D’Ambrosio, Mabior Chol, Jack Ginnivan, Jack Gunston
Traded out: Tyler Brockman, Jacob Koschitzke, Brandon Ryan
List changes: Emerson Jeka (del), Max Lynch (ret), Josh Morris (del), Fionn O’Hara (del)
Result: Best 22 slightly improved by trades, drafts picks lessened.
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You’re at the bargaining stage I see ;)
 
spenze said:
May I point out my post from the last trade period
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Hats off. :thumbsu:

His small forward craft this year for the Pies has been exceptional.

I rated Bobby too even before the GF, its a shame that the bookies didnt, he was paying $101 to win the Norm Smith.:rainbow:
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
So now they have 2 interceptors & BZT as a lockdown who isn't big enough to play on the really big forwards...
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Port are trying to do their best imitation of Lever and May defensively. It may help in many H&A games, but the strategy will come unfold again in Finals and it will be beautiful to view. In any case, I genuinely dont like Port's chances of making it.

Opposition coaches just need to isolate these defenders so it becomes a 1 on 1 contest,
 

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Sanders said:
You’re at the bargaining stage I see ;)
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Always. Until I build that Time Machine or somehow get influence over the club … that is my most obvious way forward without going all the way over to Ice Hockey as my sport of choice

I wouldn’t say I’m excited by our list changes (love you Chris, miss you already Shane & Tom) but I’m not at the burn the place down point over it either.

Living in hope that we have turned a corner as a team is not ideal. Will be much happier when I see that we have more than just put the indicator on

Of course, the driver of the bus will get his mandatory AFC license renewal early in 2024 … which I think is unnecessary. I agree with all the discussion around waiting on giving Nicks more years.
 
i am one that believes Port’s trade strategy will ultimately fail, not because they are Port but because it will ultimately fail.

Port’s strategy is all in on the now, it’s about chairing that premiership, they have traded in some gaps to fill but traded in players that didn’t didn’t have huge impacts at their previous clubs.

Both Solo and Sweet were not in their best 22 sides, Ratugolea was dropped on multiple occasions and BZT won the reverse coleman for most goals kicked in him as a defender in 2023.

Yes it plugs gaps but does it really improve the team.

If port doesn’t rise with this approach what next?

They have invested so much draft capital in trades over the past 4-5 years, premiership lists are built through the draft with class added through trade and FA, I can’t see this in Port’s approach.

What I can see thought is Hinkley getting the boot in two years and the next coach needing to fix a list that has had zero draft investment over several seasons, this rebuild will be as challenging as any clubs in recent years including west coast


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UcantCme said:
Yes it plugs gaps but does it really improve the team.

If port doesn’t rise with this approach what next?
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Ken will be sacked mid season.

Im just waiting for the fixture to be released before making my predictions and pin point after which round.

However, in fairness to the Coke addict, he has been there for 10+ years and Ive been making these predictions for the past few years.

:$
 
UcantCme said:
i am one that believes Port’s trade strategy will ultimately fail, not because they are Port but because it will ultimately fail.

Port’s strategy is all in on the now, it’s about chairing that premiership, they have traded in some gaps to fill but traded in players that didn’t didn’t have huge impacts at their previous clubs.

Both Solo and Sweet were not in their best 22 sides, Ratugolea was dropped on multiple occasions and BZT won the reverse coleman for most goals kicked in him as a defender in 2023.

Yes it plugs gaps but does it really improve the team.

If port doesn’t rise with this approach what next?

They have invested so much draft capital in trades over the past 4-5 years, premiership lists are built through the draft with class added through trade and FA, I can’t see this in Port’s approach.

What I can see thought is Hinkley getting the boot in two years and the next coach needing to fix a list that has had zero draft investment over several seasons, this rebuild will be as challenging as any clubs in recent years including west coast


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With Rozee, Butters, JHF, Bergman, Georgiadis, Marshall, Houston, SPP, Sinn and Georgiadis there's enough there to build a team in the future.
If JHF, Rozee and Butters all stay A grade midfielders or better then they will be highly competitive.

I do agree though that in 3 years time their list decisions will come back to bite them for a short period.
It will be in that period where they will need to rebuild and by the time that group is ready Rozee, Butters and JHF will be approaching 30.
 
GreyCrow said:
Always interested in a F1 from the Eagles - as you say its highly likely to fall within that top 5 area

Whether its for Draper is another story

So what you want for it :D
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UcantCme said:
i am one that believes Port’s trade strategy will ultimately fail, not because they are Port but because it will ultimately fail.

Port’s strategy is all in on the now, it’s about chairing that premiership, they have traded in some gaps to fill but traded in players that didn’t didn’t have huge impacts at their previous clubs.

Both Solo and Sweet were not in their best 22 sides, Ratugolea was dropped on multiple occasions and BZT won the reverse coleman for most goals kicked in him as a defender in 2023.

Yes it plugs gaps but does it really improve the team.

If port doesn’t rise with this approach what next?

They have invested so much draft capital in trades over the past 4-5 years, premiership lists are built through the draft with class added through trade and FA, I can’t see this in Port’s approach.

What I can see thought is Hinkley getting the boot in two years and the next coach needing to fix a list that has had zero draft investment over several seasons, this rebuild will be as challenging as any clubs in recent years including west coast


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I actually think Soldo is a handy acquisition, and will make their already excellent midfield even more potent. The rest though...

A defence in which either Ratugolea or BZT have to take the number one forward will never be elite.
 
BigBoSS_Riot said:
I actually think Soldo is a handy acquisition, and will make their already excellent midfield even more potent. The rest though...

A defence in which either Ratugolea or BZT have to take the number one forward will never be elite.
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he averages 10 touches and 29 got our a game

i’m not seeing a big uplift here, I actually think Sweet probably has the higher ceiling but again either player is not going to take them to a flag


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BigBoSS_Riot said:
I actually think Soldo is a handy acquisition, and will make their already excellent midfield even more potent. The rest though...

A defence in which either Ratugolea or BZT have to take the number one forward will never be elite.
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Fox had the Essendon v GCS match on yesterday. BZT was actually very good that match.

Soldo will do the job imho. Not a mug of a player.
 
Mutineer said:

STUCK IN LIMBO​

Players without contracts for 2024
  • Adelaide – James Borlase
  • Brisbane Lions – Dayne Zorko
  • Collingwood – Aiden Begg, Josh Carmichael, Will Kelly, Nathan Kreuger
  • Essendon – Jaiden Hunter, Patrick Voss, Will Snelling
  • Geelong – Mitch Hardie, Flynn Kroeger
  • Gold Coast – Sandy Brock, Sam Day, Oskar Faulkhead, Hewago Oae, Bodhi Uwland, Jeremy Sharp, Jake Stein, James Tsitas
  • Melbourne – Andy Moniz-Wakefield, Kye Turner
  • Port Adelaide – Orazio Fantasia, Sam Hayes, Scott Lycett
  • Richmond – Mate Colina
  • St Kilda – Tom Campbell, Tom Highmore, Dan McKenzie
  • Sydney – Sam Reid, Sam Wicks
  • West Coast – Zane Trew
  • Western Bulldogs – Dominic Bedendo, Hayden Crozier, Roarke Smith
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Sam Day? Cover until we get Petty or Ballard?
 

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