Preview 2023 Rd 14 Carlton vs Gold Coast Sunday June 18 1:10PM @ MCG

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[Kreuuuzeurns]

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Pretty sure Binns has been a strong performer for a significant period and should be rewarded.
We are not making finals, Happy to be proven wrong, Fogarty is a fringe senior level player at best.

I did say Binns should be given a go, would prefer to see him in the side over Fog but they wouldn’t be considered for the same role/s.

It’s not as if we have any other kids banging down the door.

Cowan impressive last week but I’ll assume he’s resting before the bye and working on a few things with his offensive game.

 

[Aphrodite]

Unless I’m reading it wrong..

Named in the emergencies.

Sub is normally named 1hr before the match.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

Ffs give Dow a full game!!

 

[Beyond Blue]

Unfortunately there is (understandably) a lot of sentiment about Jack and his family and its legacy at the club.

I honestly think there is an AFL quality player there in somewhere in JSOS, just not with us.

He needs to go to another club (preferably not St Kilda) and free himself from the burdens and expectations of being a Silvagni.

I don’t think St Kilda could get him. Quite rightly the cries of nepotism if Stephen traded for his son - don’t give me any nonsense about Sos excusing himself from the decision - would be deafening. I could imagine Cain Liddle very feeling vindicated if this did happen.

I am disappointed for Jack but the sad reality is he can’t hit the scoreboard enough and drops too many marks to be an effective third forward. The relief rucking was just a dumb idea. That said I was hoping they might give Jack a go as a defender this week instead of Gov.

 

[Tjblues]

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Pretty sure Binns has been a strong performer for a significant period and should be rewarded.
We are not making finals, Happy to be proven wrong, Fogarty is a fringe senior level player at best.

This forum has been bemoaning players being put into the team out of position, so if we’re looking for a forward/mid to replace Motlop/Curnow, it’s Fog over Binns.

Fog has been terrific for a few weeks now in the vfl and deserves a crack at the seniors

 

[Red_man2008]

Slightly concerned about the lack of height down back against their talls but like the team overall. Pretty balanced and hoping that we see some Cuningham midfield time when not on the HF line

Young may be sub.

 

[carlton_99]

Young may be sub.

Obviously an option but not really a fan of a tall as the sub. Prefer someone with some pace

 

[Brackets]

Ffs give Dow a full game!!

Dow shall not play.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

LETS GO FOG!!!!

 

[Kramer1]

Jsos is probably one of our smartest, hardest workers. Unfortunately, just not damaging enough

Maybe we should be comparing him to the likes of Martin or one of Gov/Kemp for that forward role

Not sure it helps that at the point he was cementing a role we re-cast him into a no win situation.

People don't appreciate how physically beaten up he would be most weeks.

 

[Cowboyblues]

Oh jeez. We got Nathan Williamson umpiring this game.

Is that the 22????

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I think it's total crap. Curnow and Fogarty would struggle to get a game at North yet we play them, Curnow over and over again. I remember the excuse last week was for Merrett which I might add failed dismally. Fogarty is just poo, I cant believe a guy that's played maybe omne or two games over three years could still be there.

I am most definitely in the blame/sack Voss camp now. The bloke literally has no idea what he's doing.

Fogs been pretty good through the midfield this year(VFL), but he's been selected as a forward pocket after kicking a grand total of 1 goal all season.
fmd.
He might be a better deep forward than Mots, Owies and Durds, but why aren't we playing him there in the 2's?

 

[macky99]

This forum has been bemoaning players being put into the team out of position, so if we’re looking for a forward/mid to replace Motlop/Curnow, it’s Fog over Binns.

Fog has been terrific for a few weeks now in the vfl and deserves a crack at the seniors

Pretty certain we have Martin & Cunningham to lift this area both of whom have talent, Fogarty is a battler.
Binns is young and untried at this of the year where we at it makes much more sense.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Oh jeez. We got Nathan Williamson umpiring this game.

 

[dumb]

When Fogarty came across I'm pretty sure cats fans told us his best go was as a midfielder. Should at least tackle wherever he plays though.

 

[JustaBattler]

Jack unlucky as is Dow.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Dow omitted...

The selectors need to build a bridge and jump off it.

 

[Gez1969]

Unfortunately there is (understandably) a lot of sentiment about Jack and his family and its legacy at the club.

I honestly think there is an AFL quality player there in somewhere in JSOS, just not with us.

He needs to go to another club (preferably not St Kilda) and free himself from the burdens and expectations of being a Silvagni.

I’ll tell you what shits me about that comment l, not being personal, it’s just really annoying about the narrative we accept.
It’s not just about Silvagni it’s about us as a club.
We don’t use our strengths we focus on our faults and limitations.
If Silvagni is good enough to play, why would it matter which club it is? He’s not a unicorn, he’s a decent footballer and clever teams find ways to use strengths rather than worry about the things he can’t do!

 

[HarryFlashman]

Fogs been pretty good through the midfield this year(VFL), but he's been selected as a forward pocket after kicking a grand total of 1 goal all season.
fmd.
He might be a better deep forward than Mots, Owies and Durds, but why aren't we playing him there in the 2's?

That’s a ripper, common thought is he’s a forward option - 1 goal and not being able to kick more than 40-45m is pretty damning.
Literally there to tackle

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I’ll tell you what shits me about that comment l, not being personal, it’s just really annoying about the narrative we accept.
It’s not just about Silvagni it’s about us as a club.
We don’t use our strengths we focus on our faults and limitations.
If Silvagni is good enough to play, why would it matter which club it is? He’s not a unicorn, he’s a decent footballer and clever teams find ways to use strengths rather than worry about the things he can’t do!

I think in all likelihood (not the fault of anyone) that Jack has probably reached the ceiling he can he at Carlton, and needs to go to another club to better himself (away of being burdened by the family name)

Just my own personal view mind you, I am more than happy if we kept JSOS, I just honestly think he would be happier at a new club with a fresh slate.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Is that the 22????

Bingo

 

[HarryFlashman]

I think in all likelihood (not the fault of anyone) that Jack has probably reached the ceiling he can he at Carlton, and needs to go to another club to better himself (away of being burdened by the family name)

Just my own personal view mind you, I am more than happy if we kept JSOS, I just honestly think he would be happier at a new club with a fresh slate.

Reckon you’re right, we aren’t a good enough side to use him to his potential. In a good team system he will shine, we are a long long way from being a good team

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

Fogs been pretty good through the midfield this year(VFL), but he's been selected as a forward pocket after kicking a grand total of 1 goal all season.
fmd.
He might be a better deep forward than Mots, Owies and Durds, but why aren't we playing him there in the 2's?

Because nothing about this club's selection policy makes any sense at all. Even now in their second year the MC have no idea what our best 22 is.

 

[myblueroan]

I have it from the 'Roan's mouth, not of the Blue variety, but from someone really 'close' that JSOS aint ever going to the Saints if his future is not at CFC. He doesn't want to deal with the dad shite again. He may actually really benefit with an interstate move where he can be under the radar, like QLD or Sydney. Gold Coast may be a really good fit for him/us......

Connolly?

 

[Jimmae]

Cuningham bringing more run up forward and minor mid rotation
Trying Fogarty again, also can bring run and defensive pressure
Dropping Ed & Motlop to rest

Potential to use spare ruck as a defender instead of a mediocre forward
Newman straight in after a hamstring strain
Leaving Boyd when he's allergic to overlap runs
Kemp as a defender

8-10 defenders, 6-7 mids, 6 forwards, 1-2 rucks instead of 7/9/5/1
Docherty as a mid
Dropping Jack
Leaving Dow as sub
Leaving Cottrell when he can't ramp disposal and defensive read with game tempo
Not picking Binns

We might physically overwhelm Gold Coast and win, but it'll be an empty victory beyond shifting the dynamics of the forward line.