List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management discussion

[WhiteLionFeva]

Limited footballer but if we lost Matho I would consider adding Ryan Clarke as a defensively minded midfielder in the DFA period as a break glass only.

Very average footballer.

 

[lionshine]

Very average footballer.

No I agree. Just worried about our depth in the midfield if we were to cop an injury or two. Would prefer to look at the state leagues but I think I’d take Clarke over names like Bytel and Hately.

 

[Berrygood]

We just need to improve the depth of our reserves for two years.

Hately is possibly an upgrade on Mathieson, purely because he is a much better runner.

Bonner or Bianco would be good half back or wing depth.

I agree with Hately but is a bit of a gamble, worth taking I think. Wouldn't be my first choice tho.

Bonner I'm liking more n more. Adds a bit of maturity and versatility. A mid that has played back, could be handy on the wing too. 191cms tall, 26yrs old, played 13 games this year so wasn't completely on the outer, 90 odd games so has some good experience. He's definitely my preferred top up.

Bianco is an interesting one. Got limited opportunity at the Pies, is purely a winger and we could use one I think. Has a fair bit of developing to do but comes from a good system. He could even be handy for a bit of inside info on the Pies.

We still haven't announced any delistings so we could end up with a cpl of spots open after the draft for DFA's in the rookie draft.

 

[Nathan Barley]

We should trade our picks for some better picks

 

[jfn]

Thoughts on Emerson Jeka as a cheap depth option to replace Fullarton? Could be signed as a DFA.

Big bloke. Could have some improvement in him. Could be a cheap replacement for Fullerton.

 

[wantok]

Thoughts on Emerson Jeka as a cheap depth option to replace Fullarton? Could be signed as a DFA.

Seems a good option but why would Hawks delist him, trade Koschitske and take in Chol?

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[briztoon]

Thoughts on Emerson Jeka as a cheap depth option to replace Fullarton? Could be signed as a DFA.

North reportedly in to him.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

I agree with Hately but is a bit of a gamble, worth taking I think. Wouldn't be my first choice tho.

Bonner I'm liking more n more. Adds a bit of maturity and versatility. A mid that has played back, could be handy on the wing too. 191cms tall, 26yrs old, played 13 games this year so wasn't completely on the outer, 90 odd games so has some good experience. He's definitely my preferred top up.

Bianco is an interesting one. Got limited opportunity at the Pies, is purely a winger and we could use one I think. Has a fair bit of developing to do but comes from a good system. He could even be handy for a bit of inside info on the Pies.

We still haven't announced any delistings so we could end up with a cpl of spots open after the draft for DFA's in the rookie draft.

**** no! lol.

 

[Harry Haller]

Of the delisted group for depth consideration. Tim O'Brien

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Tim O'brien

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30

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193cm

Wt

92kg

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Def

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6.7

3star

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3.4

3star

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3.6

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1.9

4star

MG

163.8

3star

D

5.9

1star

K

4.4

2star

HB

1.4

1star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.1

3star

MG

119.4

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

307.0

5star

for versatile tall and Sam Simpson

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Sam Simpson

Age

26

Ht

183cm

Wt

75kg

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M/F

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12.7

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.3

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

for on ball.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Well, the Lions got their main target Doedee early so no waiting till the last half hour of trading this year.
A little bored before i go for some exercise so had a look at last years Draft & Trade period.
What did all this achieve for players chosen in relation to actual AFL games played in 2023.

Players taken early in the draft are always going to get a game especially in the lower ranked teams.
So, in the chart below i broke the National Draft up into 6 groups. The National draft had 59 selections in 2022.
Also looked at the National Draft for the last 5 years only, as young players could move clubs during and after this period.
The chart is in time order starting with Free Agency. Figures extracted from draftguru

Draft & Trade Type	Number Of Players Taken	Number Of Players That Played AFL in 2023	Average AFL Games Played In 2023	National Draft Average Games Last 5 Years
Free Agency	7	7	15.8
Trades	31	30	17.3
Pre-Draft	3	1	4.0
National Picks 1-10	10	10	14.0	86.2
National Picks 11-20	10	6	9.3	55.3
National Picks 21-30	10	3	0.9	40.0
National Picks 31-40	10	2	0.5	25.8
National Picks 41-50	10	2	1.2	33.8
National Pick 51-59	9	4	3.7	34.8

Draft & Trade Type	Number Of Players Taken	Number Of Players That Played AFL in 2023	Average AFL Games Played In 2023	National Draft Average Games Last 5 Years
Rookie	15	3	2.3
Post Draft	30	12	13.1
Mid Season	13	9	2.7

Great work, so reading this right there is GOLD in those late picks 41-59 and you're more likely to get a player there than the 21-40 range - on these statistics. Am I reading that right? (yes, trade, free agency and top 10 draft is where you want to be)

 

[Squizz89]

Looking at the KPP depth & in particular the key forward depth, we really are screwed if Eric & in particular Joe goes down, given I think you could perhaps play Gunston in Eric's role, but not Joe's given Eric & Gunston's inability to ruck.

I think we could do worse than look at a James Stewart

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James Stewart

Age

30

Ht

199cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

193.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

12.4

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.8

3star

MG

200.4

4star

/ Tim O'Brien

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Tim O'brien

Age

30

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

163.8

3star

D

5.9

1star

K

4.4

2star

HB

1.4

1star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.1

3star

MG

119.4

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

307.0

5star

type, noting that whilst they're 29/30ish, they are only there to provide a bit of coverage should we lose someone, and the benefit with those types is they can play both ends.

We got lucky in that Joe & Eric played most (if not all) games this year, I'm not sure how comfortable I feel taking that gamble again.

 

[StevoJenkins]

Limited footballer but if we lost Matho I would consider adding Ryan Clarke as a defensively minded midfielder in the DFA period as a break glass only.

Don't think Matho will be gone this season with no ready replacement. Maybe next season with Ashcroft and the academy players coming in. Good depth that's happy playing as depth is very hard to find.

 

[Surly Boy]

Not sure why we want pick 46 this year, but anyhoo...

 

[Grasshopper17]

Not sure why we want pick 46 this year, but anyhoo...

Could we swap it with the Suns for something next year?

 

[briztoon]

Not sure why we want pick 46 this year, but anyhoo...

We probably don’t want it, Melbourne definitely don’t want it.

 

[Surly Boy]

Could we swap it with the Suns for something next year?

Maybe, but it feels like everyone else is trading out of the back end of this draft.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Maybe, but it feels like everyone else is trading out of the back end of this draft.

Yeah but they need points this year for their academy haul.

 

[irel]

Hasn't pick 46 been pushed back to 48 now and still climbing?

 

[Scubaveg]

Not sure why we want pick 46 this year, but anyhoo...

More then he is worth in any case.


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[Elixuh]

Not sure why we want pick 46 this year, but anyhoo...

At least we are making some trades

 

[irel]

At least we are making some trades

Being successful is boring. If we suck we could have all these picks given to us by the AFL to trade and win the trade period.

Ahh, the good old days.

 

[Elixuh]

Being successful is boring. If we suck we could have all these picks given to us by the AFL to trade and win the trade period.

Ahh, the good old days.

This is what the big Melbourne clubs like Essendon do so well.

 

[jfn]

We probably don’t want it, Melbourne definitely don’t want it.

That’s the pick they got from Sydney for Grundy. They also got a future round 2 from Sydney. That pick would be more valuable to the Lions. Future 2 = done deal.

 

[Dalions]

At least we are making some trades

 

[Viceregal]

We not specifically want that pick but we did want to facilitate Tom getting to his new club so...