List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

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[Winmar2Lockett]

Compare him to Crouch who we got as a free agent and was the same age as Gresham when traded - Crouch was chased by Cats , Tigers and Port.
They say we got him because we were the only club to offer him a 5 year contract.

Crouch was a Best a fairest medal winner for the Crows and career at the Crows is far superior to what Gresham has shown with us and Adelaide received draft pick number 23 as compensation.

Expecting a first round pick for Gresham - don't think so.

Crouch came at a discounted rate thanks to his little coke scandal.

He was offered $900k the season before by GC but was still contracted


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[Geezington]

I saw a bombers fan say
Massimo D'Ambrosio was worth a late round pick they truly are the dumbest campaigners on earth, they honestly think that a guy who’s name I had to copy and paste is worth a late first rounder

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

Radio Mexico in S Kilda is similar. No bucket of margarita and sombrero set up. More the place you go to pay $30 for 2 tiny tacos with barely anything inside it so you know that you're better than the poor. Pretty good though.

chilaquiles verde are the bomb there, highly recommend.

 

[saintmike65]

Have had time to reflect on the Shiel deal.
In reality the RFA trade contract of say is $650k for Gresh and gets us end of rnd 1 comp pick 20.

Just imagine the Essendon players finding out that Gresh is being paid an extra 100k to help out StKilda. There would be some upset players saying well what about me getting more $$$ as he is being overpaid....it is not a good look for a new player coming into a club....so unlikely to happen.

Think the two transactions are separate. Gresh gets what he gets we match or get the compo.

Shiel is a salary dump..Dildoro says only way we can afford Gresh is that you take Shiel.

Saints we give you 20 for your 8..or wait and see if we can get something better elsewhere.

Haynes dump for pick 15 perhaps.

Ess Gres and 15 for Shiel less $1m SC and pick 8 otherwise 19 pick as 12 is not enough gap. Unless you get something that works with Zerk Thatcher from Port.

Stk Shiel plus $1m cap for 1 year and Haynes $900k for two years. Using the money we had set aside for DeGoey.

Then Doogs to Hawthorn Brockman and pick 49 to Freo and Henry to Saints....maybe with a pick swap.

Or Doogs and pick 12 for Geel pick 7

Or pick 15 and Gresh Compo to Geel for 7 or combo thereof.

Pick 7 or 8 with. Sanders
Pick 12 or 15 with...Murphy
Pick 20....Archie Roberts
Pick 31....Who knows

Buckle up trendsetter it is about to get interesting...who cares about the GF unless we are in it.

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Like your thought process but Brockman is going to West Coast

 

[saintmike65]

Genuine question that no one can seem to actually understand

why are we (a) paying Gresham way overs to then even out the equation by losing Shiel and then (b) not only are we potentially going to pay some of Shiels salary, (c) we have arguably the most salary cap space in the competition.

Nothing makes sense and no matter which way you write it, it doesn't make sense if Essendon, perennially hard negotiators are just going to bend over and make a closely matched team even stronger for very little in return

I just don't get it and no one can explain not me why we're helping St.Kilda so much

Likely a lot of hoo-ha over nothing!
More then likely Essendon will get Gresham at a reasonable cost, Saints will get band 2 compo

 

[austinnn]

Likely a lot of hoo-ha over nothing!
More then likely Essendon will get Gresham at a reasonable cost, Saints will get band 2 compo

Hope we match for that frankly.

 

[botts]

Anyone disappointed if Dow ends up at Sydney?

Yeah I would be

 

[saintmike65]

Campbell will stay.

Mature ruck, if Roma goes down we need him, Every list has a ruck like him on it.

Should mostly be playing VFL and help young rucks develop.

Reckon you’re on the money except Allison..they didn’t really get a look at him this year after a promising early preseason

 

[Dr Spaceman]

He’s not actually that young, same age as Coffield. Still has his best years ahead of him for sure but not like he’s completely untried.

Not that young but still young nonetheless. I mean young in the sense he’s not a banged up bloke at the end of a long, physically draining career.

Anyway it’s all relative. Our whole coaching team is young in my reality

 

[saintmike65]

Hope we match for that frankly.

That could happen!

 

[St Kilda Death]

if Dow touring swans, either:
Manager trying to get an offer to bump up his price,
Or we have gone cold on him because we are getting Shiel now.

 

[saintmike65]

Yeah I would be

Very doubtful…either stays at Carlton or saints bound

 

[beside the seaside]

Hope we match for that frankly.

If it was band 2 then that's end of first round, I think we'd take that. Band 3 is second round which we may match.

The issue with Gresh is he's just so limited as a player. I love that we're trying to milk everything we can out of the compo but at the end of the day he just isn't that good.

 

[saintmike65]

Im not going to reply to everyone's post so in a nut shell you think we want Gresham enough that we have to pay him enough to trigger band 1 otherwise you force us to trade and you get a pick no where near what band 1 would trigger anyway. And in another favour we should as a really friendly gesture pay Shiel's salary because St.Kilda are such upstanding citizens?


Hm.. starting to see what you guys see but somehow don't think Adrian Dodoro the master negotiator does anything remotely to this.

I just hope for everyones sake he stays at St.Kilda, just as your on the rise he wants to move because he thinks he is worth significantly more makes me think he is more concerned about the $$ than the success.

Yep…spot on!

 

[saintmike65]

If it was band 2 then that's end of first round, I think we'd take that. Band 3 is second round which we may match.

The issue with Gresh is he's just so limited as a player. I love that we're trying to milk everything we can out of the compo but at the end of the day he just isn't that good.

Yeah he’s lost that zip since his injuries

 

[saintmike65]

if Dow touring swans, either:
Manager trying to get an offer to bump up his price,
Or we have gone cold on him because we are getting Shiel now.

I doubt we’ve gone off Dow…we need multiple mids on our list

 

[PoppedCorn]

Dow is touring Sydney?

Reeeealy
Well I never

 

[bergholt]

Not that young but still young nonetheless. I mean young in the sense he’s not a banged up bloke at the end of a long, physically draining career.

Anyway it’s all relative. Our whole coaching team is young in my reality

I hear ya. Dustin Fletcher retiring was the moment where I suddenly got older than every afl player.

 

[saintmike65]

a later pick that we likely won't use would mean nothing fwiw


I think Essendon only take 2, 3 picks maximum at the national draft

Shallow draft so most clubs will use limited picks

 

[BrutThough]

Not doubting you, but why would he be touring Sydney’s facilities? (assuming that report is true).

He likely hasn't made up his mind on where he wants to go despite the insistent posts about a deal being done.

 

[NextYearPlease]

Not doubting you, but why would he be touring Sydney’s facilities? (assuming that report is true).

Free flights to see the NRL final?


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[saintmike65]

What are Hawks offering us? for Gresham
Straight swap with Dylan Moore would be nice.

I’m starting to wonder if hawthorn are even interested in Gresham

 

[Saints43]

I was thinking if it went through,

Essendon lose Shiel and 28

and gain

Gresham and Howard pick

Saints lose Gresham and Howard

and gain

Shiel, 13(from the AFL) and 28

win/win?

From a player perspective St Kilda lose a goal kicking midfielder and full back and gain a 31 year old who doesn't get on the track.
Righto.

 

[stavro#4]

I wish it was the end of trade week. The cheat supporters are getting stupider by the hour.

My new favourite is that we low balled Gresham so low that we got told don’t both making an offer and they will swoop in on 550k

 

[saintmike65]

Does that mean he’s no longer likely to come to Saints?

Seems a strange thing to do if he is.

He’s rightly exploring his options