Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Firewalker]

If Smith retired today, the best we could do would be to place him on the Inactive List, replacing him via the PSSP or MSD. We would not be able to replace him in the ND, PSD or RD.

Technically if hell froze over and he did retire today what they could do then is look to trade up higher into the draft, then maybe keep Keane on the rookie list for one more year and use the SPP to then select Burgess officially at a later date… sure the AFLPA wouldn’t be happy but so what.

 

[Vader]

Technically if hell froze over and he did retire today what they could do then is look to trade up higher into the draft, then maybe keep Keane on the rookie list for one more year and use the SPP to then select Burgess officially at a later date… sure the AFLPA wouldn’t be happy but so what.

No, they couldn't. If he retired today, he would still be on our list until the end of the 2025 season. Smith's retirement today would not open up a position which we could fill (by any means) in the 2024 ND/PSD/RD.

It's not a matter of the AFLPA being unhappy, it's a matter of when the AFL allows Clubs to make these list changes. The window for player retirements & delistings closed several weeks ago.

If he retired today, the only way to replace him would be to place him on the Inactive List and sign a replacement in the PSSP or MSD, much as we did with Gibbs & Sloane.

 

[Firewalker]

No, they couldn't. If he retired today, he would still be on our list until the end of the 2025 season. Smith's retirement today would not open up a position which we could fill (by any means) in the 2024 ND/PSD/RD.

It's not a matter of the AFLPA being unhappy, it's a matter of when the AFL allows Clubs to make these list changes. The window for player retirements & delistings closed several weeks ago.

No pretty sure the rules were changed that when a player retires no matter what time in a contracted season they automatically become inactive on the list and you can add a replacement in the pre-season if that period is still open or mid-season.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Just curious, who do you think the Eagles would have taken at 3 if they still had the pick?

Draper.

We would then have probably picked Smith

 

[Vader]

No pretty sure the rules were changed that when a player retires no matter what time in a contracted season they automatically become inactive on the list and you can add a replacement in the pre-season if that period is still open or mid-season.

They don't go on it automatically. The process for transferring players to the Inactive List is covered in Section 26 of the AFL Rules (23 February 2024) document.

Section 26.1 (a) states:

A Club may apply to the General Counsel or Executive General Manager of Football to transfer an AFL Player suffering a season ending injury or has retired from its AFL Primary List or Category A Rookie List to its AFL Inactive List.

Note the need for the Club to apply for the transfer - it does not happen automatically. However, there is almost 0% chance of the application being refused for a retired player.

As I previously noted, we would be able to replace him in the PSSP (Pre-Season Supplementary Period) or MSD (Mid-Season Draft). We would not be able to replace him via the ND, PSD, or RD. This is covered in Section 26.4:

26.4 Replacement Player
(a) Where a Player is transferred to the Inactive List a Club may replace that Player by selecting a replacement player during the Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period or at the mid-AFL Season Draft Selection Meeting.
(b) A Club is unable to replace an AFL Player transferred to its AFL Inactive List after the conclusion of the mid-AFL Season Draft Selection Meeting.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Even then we are stuck aren't we? From what I understand, we have also committed to upgrading Keane to the main list, so not using a rookie pick on Burgess will only open a rookie spot. Unless we also go back on our deal with Keane.

Bottom line is, we could have been in a position to grab Dodson, but instead have limited our options through poor list management.

I was thinking this too, but the way out of it is whether or not Welsh makes to the rookie list.

If we think he gets there, we could theoretically take someone else at 58 and have Welsh replace Burgess on the rookie list

 

[Vader]

I was thinking this too, but the way out of it is whether or not Welsh makes to the rookie list.

If we think he gets there, we could theoretically take someone else at 58 and have Welsh replace Burgess on the rookie list

By nominating him for the ND we're forced to select him with our last "live" pick in the ND - if no bids have been made beforehand. There's no way now of selecting Welsh in the RD.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

There's a 197 point discount which applies to all bids after the 1st round. We're now covered to pick 44.

Have the AFL confirmed if a new flat rate is going to apply after the first round next year?

Or will it 10% for the whole draft?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

By nominating him for the ND we're forced to select him with our last "live" pick in the ND - if no bids have been made beforehand. There's no way now of selecting Welsh in the RD.

Really?

That's a dumb rule

 

[Firewalker]

They don't go on it automatically. The process for transferring players to the Inactive List is covered in Section 26 of the AFL Rules (23 February 2024) document.

Section 26.1 (a) states:

Note the need for the Club to apply for the transfer - it does not happen automatically. However, there is almost 0% chance of the application being refused for a retired player.

As I previously noted, we would be able to replace him in the PSSP (Pre-Season Supplementary Period) or MSD (Mid-Season Draft). We would not be able to replace him via the ND, PSD, or RD.

This takes me back to what I originally said technically they could have done it like this;

Say Dodson slid to pick 41 they could then look to trade 2 2025 3rd round picks for Sydney’s pick 41 (Sydney have Academy stuff next year) - select Dodson with that pick.



Then select Welsh at the pick in the 50s



Keep Keane on the Rookie list for one more year



Select Schoenberg in the Rookie draft



Brodie Smith retires



Pick up Burgess in the Pre-Season supplementary period

*edit; like you said the Keane or Welsh can’t be rookie thing would complicate things

 

[Vader]

Really?

That's a dumb rule

That's why there are separate nomination dates for the ND & RD. In the case of Ben Jarman, we famously opted not to nominate him in the ND as we didn't want to be forced to put him on our senior list.

 

[eaglevision]

Just curious, who do you think the Eagles would have taken at 3 if they still had the pick?

Draper narrowly over Jagga because of his speed. I would have taken Jagga.

 

[Firewalker]

Essendon fans online really losing their sh*t over the Mick Ablett comments on last night’s Fox coverage where he said they stuffed up & shouldn’t have traded pick 9 out for Kako, so much so Essendon fanboy Cal Twomey on his broadcast on AFL.com.au immediately fired back & was like “nah the bid would have come earlier if they had kept that pick” and the bombers fans have taken that as gospel.

Surely that reasoning is slightly questionable though considering in recent history no club has really been made to pay all that a high price - just look at Ashcroft, Lombard or Marshall last night. I would ask the question if I was in Bombers fans shoes why didn’t the club keep pick 9 & wait to see if the bid would come on the night? then you can look to do the trade with Melbourne or someone else. Like I said given recent history even if it was just a slight chance no teams would have bothered to bid before that pick they should’ve waited to see.

Reminds me of what Collingwood did with the trade with GWS 12 months out to get the points for when a bid on Daicos would come that ended up backfiring but doesn’t get questioned now due to the ridiculous quality of Daicos helping them win a flag.

 

[Captain Furious]

Also love a St.Peters College lad I've noticed. Stephens, Hayward, Roberts and now Bowman.

Confirms the no dickhead policy is a myth.

 

[ams4crows]

I don't think we will be trying to get back in to get Dodson because the club plans on Sam Draper being a Crow by this time next year.

 

[Trigger13]

I don't think we will be trying to get back in to get Dodson because the club plans on Sam Draper being a Crow by this time next year.

Absolutely disgusting.

 

[Bayno82]

Would rather keep ROB than Sam Draper. He is basically a taller version of Murphy

 

[ABAB]

Would rather keep ROB than Sam Draper. He is basically a taller version of Murphy

We still have a year to cool off our interest like we did with Redman........

 

[All_In]

So you're saying to pay out Burgess and leave Keane on Rookie list. Trade back into the second round to grab Dodson. Love it. But will we do it. Doubt it.

I so hope we do. Dodson would be a great get for our list.

 

[GROTTO]

Draper narrowly over Jagga because of his speed. I would have taken Jagga.

I thought as much, huge sliding door moment with the Eagles trading Pick 3 which potentially would have been used on Draper to Carlton.

 

[Golumless]

I don't think we will be trying to get back in to get Dodson because the club plans on Sam Draper being a Crow by this time next year.

By the time Sam Draper is winding down, Dodson will likely just be starting to be ready for an AFL spot (if he's not a dud).

You miss any potential window if Dodson is a gun and earns a spot early, however the chances of that are rather low.


(However, I'm on the Toby Murray #1 ruck train).

 

[eaglevision]

I thought as much, huge sliding door moment with the Eagles trading Pick 3 which potentially would have been used on Draper to Carlton.

The planets very much aligned for the Crows by having a down year for pick 4 and WCE doing WCE things. His pace will be a real point of difference in your midfield and he’s just class from a character perspective.

It’s not too late to trade in for Dodson and barbecue Burgess. It would literally be the highlight of the draft and trade period to date for me and I can spend the rest of my BF days slipping into Vader ‘s DMs.

If you don’t do that then goodluck I guess on what’s going to be an hugely exciting night matching a bid for Tyler Welsh.

 

[ams4crows]

Absolutely disgusting.

Then you better convince Port to take him because he wants to come back to South Australia, him and his brothers were on a brother's trip up in the NT a few weeks ago and he misses his family and getting to hang out with them regularly.

Essendon's offer would have to be life changing to get him to stay and I don't think they are that fussed with him any more

 

[Danger in Texas]

Would rather keep ROB than Sam Draper. He is basically a taller version of Murphy

Yep, and I’m further towards the ‘dislike’ end of the spectrum when it comes to ROB

Realistically we should be targeting two or even three rucks next season, especially if ROB dips in FA and assuming Strachan’s delisted - one or two in the 23-25 bracket (one can be a delistee if we pick two), and one draftee

 

[Milo Cyrus]

Not following here but is there any chance we snag Harry Boyd tonight?