2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[TheJackal]

If we see that it is something we really want to do - North will want another pick this year….add 47 straight or 32 but with their F3 back? As the above stands I just can’t see North doing that. We would hate it in reverse.

8, 47, F1 for 2, F2 - I think that's fair.

North can keep our F1 and trade theirs for a mid 1st pick. We can trade Norths F2 into the late 20s/early 30s.

Saints: 2, 7, 28 (as an example), 32 then Cole, Hofmann & Peckett.

We move 8 into 2, (hello FOS/Lalor), keep 7 (Smillie/Smith), 28 & 32 (Gross/Ough/Dobson/Mraz).

North: 8, 11 (as an example), 47

The risk for North is Tauru might be gone by 8 as Richmond or Dees might be tempted but it's still likely one of Armstrong/Tauru is available. Worst case for them at 8 would be those 2 talls gone so someone like Smillie getting through to 8, which is hardly a bad option.

It may feel a bit convoluted, but if Richmond aren't playing ball, or aren't offering better than 6 & 18 - then we should be cherry ripw for the trade.

 

[St Neil]

Quick summary

• Lalor firming as likely P1
• Richmond reluctant to trade 6 as they are eyeing Smillie
• we loom as the likely p2 trade partner if North can’t find a buyer in the top 10 for their F1

Ideal. Especially if we keep pick 7.

The question is what will North want for us to trade-up to pick 2.


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[Tommy Wigs]

8, 47, F1 for 2, F2 - I think that's fair.

North can keep our F1 and trade theirs for a mid 1st pick. We can trade Norths F2 into the late 20s/early 30s.

Saints: 2, 7, 28 (as an example), 32 then Cole, Hofmann & Peckett.

We move 8 into 2, (hello FOS/Lalor), keep 7 (Smillie/Smith), 28 & 32 (Gross/Ough/Dobson/Mraz).

North: 8, 11 (as an example), 47

The risk for North is Tauru might be gone by 8 as Richmond or Dees might be tempted but it's still likely one of Armstrong/Tauru is available. Worst case for them at 8 would be those 2 talls gone so someone like Smillie getting through to 8, which is hardly a bad option.

It may feel a bit convoluted, but if Richmond aren't playing ball, or aren't offering better than 6 & 18 - then we should be cherry ripw for the trade.

Nice. My concern will be losing a F1 to go from a Smilie / Langford to a FOS. Just not that difference for mine. Only way it works in my mind is if it somehow allows us to get both or to ensure we get 1 of the top mids to avoid the doubt of 6 mids going in the first 6 picks.

 

[St Neil]

Hold up.

8 and our F1.

Gets North Tauru or Armstrong.

Lalor
FOS (Saints)
Draper
Langford
Reid (Melbourne)
Smillie
JAGGA (Saints)
Armstrong/Tauru (North P8)

Midfield rebuild done.


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[Tommy Wigs]

Which is why I suggested the three-way trade. They get 8 and a teens pick. Easy

Actually a question I keep forgetting to ask here. Is a three way trade possible live during the draft? Or it’s just difficult and that’s why it hasn’t occurred?

 

[TheJackal]

Nice. My concern will be losing a F1 to go from a Smilie / Langford to a FOS. Just not that difference for mine. Only way it works in my mind is if it somehow allows us to get both or to ensure we get 1 of the top mids to avoid the doubt of 6 mids going in the first 6 picks.

That's the risk though, its obvious but when pick 2 is on the table we won't know who will be left at pick 8.

I'm not fussed if we trade or not. I'd love to, for FOS, but even if we just sit on our hands we'll still have good options available.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I think so...

I think it was Smythe that mentioned that

 

[stavro#4]

Actually a question I keep forgetting to ask here. Is a three way trade possible live during the draft? Or it’s just difficult and that’s why it hasn’t occurred?

No. Each trade has to occur separately

 

[Yabadoo22]

I have some sad demons supporter wound up on the big footy phantom draft for those interested. Gee they are a miserable bunch.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Actually the premise would be that by taking our F1 they retain theirs.

In theory their F1 could be 1-5 next year.

Ours is likely 5-12.

If you are trading for a teens pick in the first round this year. One of those represents better value then the other when attempting that for North.

No club is trading out of that top 10 from here.

Stav, are you meaning here that the premise/attraction (maybe the only) for a club to trade out of the top 10(12-ish) this year would be via North’s F1? Something like North to 7 or 8, Saints to 2, and a third club to take a F1 to trade out? What is an eg of what you would be targeting?

 

[GYoung]

 

[St Neil]

if we land Fos or Jagga at 2.

7 becomes a huge slide back opportunity or your landing Jagga/Smillie/Langford anyway

In which case we drafted 2 blokes who at different stages this year were the number 1 pick choices.

Are North likely to trade pick 2 prior to draft night?


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[stavro#4]

Are North likely to trade pick 2 prior to draft night?


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No idea.

But as it stands. They have 3 vacancies and 2 picks.

 

[St Neil]

No idea.

But as it stands. They have 3 vacancies and 2 picks.

Wouldn’t they just use pick 2 in the rookie draft or PSD? An amazing player could fall there.


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[stavro#4]

Wouldn’t they just use pick 2 in the rookie draft or PSD? An amazing player could fall there.


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They want more picks in this drafts top end

 

[stavro#4]

Stav, are you meaning here that the premise/attraction (maybe the only) for a club to trade out of the top 10(12-ish) this year would be via North’s F1? Something like North to 7 or 8, Saints to 2, and a third club to take a F1 to trade out? What is an eg of what you would be targeting?

No.

Some clubs have a desire to shift some of their picks into next years first round.

Richmond is one. (18 onwards apparently)

Giants and Swans both open.

Freo would consider the offer.

As it stands North can trade 2 down but no one is paying 2 top 10 picks for it because of the quality of this draft.

Only 3 clubs can facilitate a deal and only 2 of those clubs have an F1.

I think Richmond is in the box seat for it. But if they are genuine about keeping p6. We can get a deal done and our future first would make better sense and value for north to use to trade back into this draft targeting the above clubs.

If I was in charge and I could get what I wanted…

P8 + F1 for P2 + F2 and we draft FOS at #2.

Hold pick 7 until we are on the clock. If we can take Smillie or Jagga we draft them.

If they aren’t on the board and it’s only Murphy Reid. Trade down.

Would Richmond do 10 + 18 for 7 + our F2?

If so, draft Bo Allan/Trainor and the opposite type of player - which is likely a mid at 18. Might even get lucky and Trainor slides here.

 

[pebblesofsand]

No idea.

But as it stands. They have 3 vacancies and 2 picks.

They have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds but theoretically the selections actually keep going until all clubs stop drafting players.

They have to select a minimum of 3 players in the draft so they could just keep their current selections, wait till the end of the draft and use their current round 5 selection (Pick 80) to met the AFL requirements.

Last year the last pick was 64, so 80 would become Pick 65.

 

[stavro#4]

They have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds but theoretically the selections actually keep going until all clubs stop drafting players.

They have to select a minimum of 3 players in the draft so they could just keep their current selections, wait till the end of the draft and use their current round 5 selection (Pick 80) to met the AFL requirements.

Last year the last pick was 64, so 80 would become Pick 65.

They want quality picks not ass end draft generated picks.

 

[gringo2011]

I’m starting to warm to the idea of picking Allan if the rumour is true we are interested in him. Big athletic midfielder with a similar profile to Noah Anderson what’s not to like. I questioned the clubs choice selecting Nas. I’m not making that same mistake. I’ll back the club.

He looks like a Lyon player. He has never rated one position inside ball magnets like other coaches. Most sides can really only carry one pure bull anyway these days. If you can't defend, run and spread to provide options you don't get games these days. Unless you are absolutely elite.

Allan looks like a nice mover and worst case he takes Battle's spot.

 

[gringo2011]

Quick summary

• Lalor firming as likely P1
• Richmond reluctant to trade 6 as they are eyeing Smillie
• we loom as the likely p2 trade partner if North can’t find a buyer in the top 10 for their F1

I hope not, I'm not trying to move up this draft. The eveness is the best part of it. You likely get 2 guns our picks.

 

[gringo2011]

Interesting that Richmond is eyeing Smillie at 6. That’s consistent with his interview where he discussed meeting with Yze at the combine. What’s the ramifications, especially if North reach for Tauru? They seem absolutely desperate to trade out of 2.

1. Lalor - Rich
2. Tauru - NM
3. FOS - Carl
4. Draper - Adel
5. Langford/Smith - Melb
6. Smillie - Rich
7. Langford/Smith - StK
8. Allan/Reid/Armstrong - StK

I guess the million dollar question is, and presuming the 7 and 8 for 2 and F1 is accepted how do we view:

FOS and F1 vs say Smith and Reid? I just can’t see NM agreeing to our F1 and 7/8 when it’s against everything they are attempting to do in terms of creating another pick in this draft. Personally I’m a massive FOS fan and next years F1 is probably still a top 3 ‘live’ pick. I don’t hate it.

I'm taking 7 and 8 every time. Love FOS too but not enough to pay overs to get him.

 

[akaifu]

I hope not, I'm not trying to move up this draft. The eveness is the best part of it. You likely get 2 guns our picks.

If we have the opportunity to do so then I’d do it. We have needs - speed, class, goalkicking mids - and FOS is the perfect profile

We aren’t getting a player of such perfect fit at pick 8

 

[gringo2011]

If we have the opportunity to do so then I’d do it. We have needs - speed, class, goalkicking mids - and FOS is the perfect profile

We aren’t getting a player of such perfect fit at pick 8

I know he was injured all year but he wasn't that great when he did play. I still think he's probably a gun but still not an absolute certainty to be a star. I'm not moving up for a gamble. He's probably the next Wardlaw but guys that couldn't show what they can do in their draft year are always a gamble. Some guys have a knack for finding bizarre ways to be injured and he's had a bit of that this year.

To me the thing you want is lots of chances in the top 10 of this draft. Not a higher pick. It's probably not as clear cut as most years. The player you move up for might still be there at your first natural pick.

 

[Linton Street Saint]

I have a really bad feeling that Carlton win is going to come back to bite us in the ass reaaaaaaal hard.
Unless we get a deal done for 2

Out
Generational mids

In
Decent bits and pieces.

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

I just really, really want Draper. Also think taking him at 3 (after bidding on Ashcroft) would really spice up the top ten or so. Imagine a haul of Draper and Smith. Future midfield of Poo, Jagga, and Drapes. Love it