2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[akaifu]

Richmond interested in Allan at 10&11

Draper and Langford front-runners for Adelaide

Allan likely top 10

St Kilda have lodged paperwork to nominate Elwood Peckett as a F/S. they are not obligated to take him

Cole likely off the board before Collingwood’s pick 52

Everyone from 8-15 likes Travaglia

St Kilda have an F1 and will be looking around for NM’s pick 2

per. Gettable

 

[stavro#4]

 

[stavro#4]

Richmond interested in Allan at 10&11

Draper and Langford front-runners for Adelaide

Allan likely top 10

per. Gettable

Jagga at 7….

Better check out that bank balance of hope

 

[StCicatriz]

So battle goes and everyone is banging on about mids. battles not a genuine kpd because he's undersized and now suddenly we want to use a pick on an athletic undersized KPP.

Can't make this shit up.

We let battle go and we want to go back to the well to find the next battle.

Amazing logic.

This is exactly how you end up in a continual rebuild cycle. Draft. Develop until they hit potential. Let them walk. Draft the same player. Rinse and repeat.

 

[stavro#4]

So battle goes and everyone is banging on about mids. battles not a genuine kpd because he's undersized and now suddenly we want to use a pick on an athletic undersized KPP.

Can't make this shit up.

We let battle go and we want to go back to the well to find the next battle.

Amazing logic.

This is exactly how you end up in a continual rebuild cycle. Draft. Develop until they hit potential. Let them walk. Draft the same player. Rinse and repeat.

Or we get a kid who far exceeds battles ceiling as a player?

Both options can work mate.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Better be. North Richmond trade likely the best outcome.

I agree it seems Richmond are red hot on Smillie as their List Manager Hartley coached him in the juniors. If Richmond dont trade up with North, then they take Smillie who should otherwise slide. There is a good chance they rate Smillie at pick #2 and would take him there in any event, so why trade up when you dont have to.

It would be a shame as I think Smillie is the perfect player for us at pick #7 and pick #8 is the floater - trade out, Reid, Allan, Travaglia, Lindsay.

The upside to the Richmond v North stand off, is our offer is the next best available for North. My thinking is Dalrymple wants Smillie at #7 and if Richmond hold pick #6 they will take him, hence the club then have the contingency offer to North to move up to pick #2. If that happens who we take at 2 is a raffle - O'Sullivan, Draper, Smillie, Langford, Smith.

Richmond hold all the cards, they are not desparate to trade up but North are desparate to trade back and get another 1st round pick. North would be asking for an unrealistic price for the swap and basically shooting themselves in the foot. Rawlings is not the sharpest operator, they gave up pick #25 for a vertically challenged player in a draft full our key positional players. They are now obviously desparate to get back into the draft which is laughable really.

 

[stfan]

Richmond interested in Allan at 10&11

Draper and Langford front-runners for Adelaide

Allan likely top 10

St Kilda have lodged paperwork to nominate Elwood Peckett as a F/S. they are not obligated to take him

Cole likely off the board before Collingwood’s pick 52

Everyone from 8-15 likes Travaglia

St Kilda have an F1 and will be looking around for NM’s pick 2

per. Gettable

Late pick or rookie pick. Effectively Peckett for Ottons on our list.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

So battle goes and everyone is banging on about mids. battles not a genuine kpd because he's undersized and now suddenly we want to use a pick on an athletic undersized KPP.

Can't make this shit up.

We let battle go and we want to go back to the well to find the next battle.

Amazing logic.

This is exactly how you end up in a continual rebuild cycle. Draft. Develop until they hit potential. Let them walk. Draft the same player. Rinse and repeat.

You're at least 48 hours behind.

We've moved on from the Viking & are now back on two mids.

BUT to respond to your logic.

Battle chose to leave & we now have to make the best of it.

Compare top age junior years between Battle & Tauru & there's no comparison. We don't want to find the next Battle, we want to find a much better player.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I agree it seems Richmond are red hot on Smillie as their List Manager Hartley coached him in the juniors. If Richmond dont trade up with North, then they take Smillie who should otherwise slide. There is a good chance they rate Smillie at pick #2 and would take him there in any event, so why trade up when you dont have to.

It would be a shame as I think Smillie is the perfect player for us at pick #7 and pick #8 is the floater - trade out, Reid, Allan, Travaglia, Lindsay.

The upside to the Richmond v North stand off, is our offer is the next best available for North. My thinking is Dalrymple wants Smillie at #7 and if Richmond hold pick #6 they will take him, hence the club then have the contingency offer to North to move up to pick #2. If that happens who we take at 2 is a raffle - O'Sullivan, Draper, Smillie, Langford, Smith.

Richmond hold all the cards, they are not desparate to trade up but North are desparate to trade back and get another 1st round pick. North would be asking for an unrealistic price for the swap and basically shooting themselves in the foot. Rawlings is not the sharpest operator, they gave up pick #25 for a vertically challenged player in a draft full our key positional players. They are now obviously desparate to get back into the draft which is laughable really.

Agree with all of that. To me, Richmond should hold and get a similar level kid at 6, meaning 18 or whatever the ask might be is throwing an opportunity for another piece (particularly given they can be quite choosey with the balance of types that they get across those 54,000 picks). 6 and 18 would typically be way Unders in other years. But Richmond hold the whiphand.

For North, if they push back the tall for yet another year, then they’ll run into the same issue next year. Perhaps it works out perfectly next year, but they’re already imbalanced. They really should just drop back to 6 and take what they can get as the extra pick. Tauru will be a good get and, say, pick 20 or 23 would still allow them to go in different directions.

 

[Leap of Faith]

Watching Carlton supporters' crumpled little faces when Higgo kicked 'that goal' was so good. Buuuuuut.......5 and 6 would be very handy right now.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Good news that the club has nominated Elwood Peckett as a father son. As mentioned above a likely replacement for Hotton. Luv it Sainters!

 

[akaifu]

Jagga at 7….

Better check out that bank balance of hope

Compound interest

It’s happening.

 

[Joffaboy]

You're at least 48 hours behind.

We've moved on from the Viking & are now back on two mids.

BUT to respond to your logic.

Battle chose to leave & we now have to make the best of it.

Compare top age junior years between Battle & Tauru & there's no comparison. We don't want to find the next Battle, we want to find a much better player.

Tauru is more Riewoldt than Battle. Would gladly trade Battle for someone like that. If he is available after we take the best mid, I would not be unhappy.

Still on the two mid bandwagon though.

 

[stavro#4]

Compound interest

It’s happening.

Let’s be honest. Cal kinda makes it seem like he doesn’t go past pick 6 and he said Smillie could slide out of the 10

 

[saintmike65]

Other than two top mids getting through to 7 and 8, that’s probably the best scenario for mine rather than a “true” pick 8 split. Potentially drop to 10 or 11-ish for a club to rise up to a tall and we drop back to take a preferred at that pick and nab a good return.

If North retained pick 2, it’s conceivable Jagga Smith could slide to us:

1. Lalor
2. Tauru
3. FOS
4. Draper
5. Langford
6. Smillie
7. Jagga

Richmond apparently keen on Smillie at #6

 

[stavro#4]

Seems like the Tigers are making their stance clear via journos in the last 24 hours.

McGowan (The Age) Twomey (Gettable) and Ralph Below.

Looks like they won’t be trading 6 or 11 for any potential deal for #2

Twomey also gave Tauru to North a strong link again today.

 

[HeavenlySources]

Seems like the Tigers are making their stance clear via journos in the last 24 hours.

McGowan (The Age) Twomey (Gettable) and Ralph Below.

Looks like they won’t be trading 6 or 11 for any potential deal for #2

Twomey also gave Tauru to North a strong link again today.

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This helps us if we are interested in 2. Pick 8 could be the highest slide-back North can get

 

[TheJackal]

So battle goes and everyone is banging on about mids. battles not a genuine kpd because he's undersized and now suddenly we want to use a pick on an athletic undersized KPP.

Can't make this shit up.

We let battle go and we want to go back to the well to find the next battle.

Amazing logic.

This is exactly how you end up in a continual rebuild cycle. Draft. Develop until they hit potential. Let them walk. Draft the same player. Rinse and repeat.

You could always look at it as the kid vs Battle is about $800,000 a year, which gives us room to move contracts and grab a mid like LDU or Brayshaw for "free"?

Just on that $ saving, I still think we are a big chance at a De Koning double at the end of the year. They are almost the most important piece of our (age demographic) puzzle once the mids are sorted.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Seems like the Tigers are making their stance clear via journos in the last 24 hours.

McGowan (The Age) Twomey (Gettable) and Ralph Below.

Looks like they won’t be trading 6 or 11 for any potential deal for #2

Twomey also gave Tauru to North a strong link again today.

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I wonder if that reads as "they're not interested in a trade of 6 + 11 for 2" rather than ruling out any possible trade involving those picks completely? You struggle to see how North reach for Tuaru at 2? He looks good but geez that would be a stretch.

 

[Joffaboy]

Watching Carlton supporters' crumpled little faces when Higgo kicked 'that goal' was so good. Buuuuuut.......5 and 6 would be very handy right now.

I mean it is simple logic that 5 & 6 is better than 7 & 8, more chance of getting the players you want.

However would anyone want Jye Amiss, Josh Gibson or Erasmus over NAZ? Tsatsas, Jhye Clark or Gibney over Pou? Or about four others before Wilson.

It gives you a chance to select top players but you have to take that chance. The draft is littered with missed chances. Two spots doesn't guarantee us anything.
As it stands there may be a good chance we trade up for 2. If thats the case and we keep 7, we have used the band 1 pick that we probably dont get if we are pick 5, the AFL would have given us an end of first round pick (we know how the AFL operates)

 

[TheJackal]

This helps us if we are interested in 2. Pick 8 could be the highest slide-back North can get

So we jump into 2, Richmond take Smillie at 6 (if rumours are true). Leaves Melbourne as our only hope to take a tall before pick 7.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Seems like the Tigers are making their stance clear via journos in the last 24 hours.

McGowan (The Age) Twomey (Gettable) and Ralph Below.

Looks like they won’t be trading 6 or 11 for any potential deal for #2

Twomey also gave Tauru to North a strong link again today.

It makes Carlton's effort to trade up to pick #3 targetting O'Sullivan even more impressive. They were in a win win scenario if FOS is taken they take Draper, good on them for having the balls to throw the kitchen sink at this draft. They are recruiting for the now, they know they have the bones of a very good side (injuries allowing) and are going all chips in. Plus we forget they will get two highly rated father sons in the Camporeale twins. Their one weakness is they probably need another quality key defender.

Unfortunately we are a couple of years behind in our list development - midfielders ?, we also need an elite big key defender and another quality ruckman. Lets hope this draft brings us two elite mids, perhaps Cole becomes a similiar player to Weitering who is not the all time interceptor but is rarely beaten, and a quality ruckman miraculously appears.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

So Tigers are happy to stick because they think its such an even draft. NM want to trade down because they think its such an even draft. We want to trade up because we don't think its such an even draft????
Just stick with 7 and 8 and F1 boys unless something really stupid gets offered on the night.
Thats the advice I will be giving SOS and co before COB this afternoon.

 

[Joffaboy]

If we trade 8 and F1 for 2 it probably gets North Tauru @ 8 ( we wont select at 7)and another FRDP in 2025. If they dont match LDU they will have probably 2 frdps in the top 5 (their own and the band 1 compo) and our FRDP so three in the first round.

So if that works out, we get someone like FOS @ 2 Smillie or Reid or Allen @7 and LDU as a FA next year

North get Tauru this year plus an extra FRDP next year to go with their probably 2 top 5 picks (their own and LDU compo)

Seems a win win fore me. Wonder if there are long, behind closed doors discussions, mentioning these scenarios. FA's don't occur at the last moment but are worked on for sometimes years. I can see the benefit, but would a North supporter see it?

The only risk is someone taking Tauru before 8. If this is mitigated and it is fairly certain he wont drop North get their man plus a frdp. I mean they have 2 then 62, they want one player and one player only so if thats Tauru it is an absolute gift of a FRDP.
If someone spoils the party, North still have pick 8 and the traded frdp and any deal with the Saints about LDU (if any, probably against AFL collusion rules, but as we saw with Bowes and Geelong they are flexible) could be re negotiated.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

So Tigers are happy to stick because the think its such an even draft. NM want to trade down because they think its such an even draft. We want to trade up because we don't think its such an even draft????
Just stick with 7 and 8 and F1 boys unless something really stupid gets offered on the night.
Thats the advice I will be giving SOS and co before COB this afternoon.

The Tigers have the luxury of sticking with what they've got because they'll get two of the best six mids... then can fill holes with best available after that.

Norf want to trade down to maximise the currency of pick 2 (which they can do because they've got specific needs for their 1st pick). They can afford to drop out of the top couple, still get their man AND get a potential future 1st for their trouble.

IF we want to trade up its because we're on the edge of the elite midfield talent being available & consider who we could get at #2 to be more valuable than who we might have fall to us at #7....