2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[stavro#4]

I wish someone would point me to a video where reid kicks the football forward and hits targets when referencing his disposal. I'm fine with his speed and lack of aggression/general chutzpa around the contest, it's his disposal that doesn't stack up. He constantly prefers to go the loopy link up handball path or crabby kick to the wing over progressing the football up the ground by foot. In finals, the handball bs won't cut it, and the crabby kick just gives afl defenses time to set up.

Where are the videos of this much mentioned elite disposal? (by foot)

However, if we can develop the forward kicking element of his game then I'd be ok with the pick, but as it stands he doesn't have it. Currently, Smillie is a better kick than reid

Watch video of his Coates league games - especially the ones post carnival back end of the season

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Reid wouldn't fix our ball use problems. He's an elite handballer but he isn't remotely a noticeably outstanding kick

If you draft Reid, you're hoping he becomes a mix of Sheezel and Neale - leveraging work rate, short kicking and stoppage craft with top-tier hands. You will never see him hitting 40m corridor bullets and you will never see him break a tackle and charge out the front of stoppage like a Lalor/FOS/Draper/Smillie/Allan/Travaglia*. What he can do is read the drop of the ball at stoppage and get on the run like Sheezel did at times this year, but it takes a breakdown in opposition structure to allow space for something like that to happen so you can't bank on him doing it as much as the others do. Sheezel also has +5cm on him so easier to break free with that added size

Imo our biggest problem in the midfield is a lack of burst and speed. Smillie/Langford/Reid do not fix that, so if we are to take a duo out of that group then its a waste in my book. I cannot see a world where in the modern game, you play Langford/Smillie + Reid + Pou + Clark/Dow + Windy. You'd be banking on Wilson and Garcia to become inside midfield stars with no margin for error

preach comrade

I didn't see this before my post, but well put

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Watch video of his Coates league games - especially the ones post carnival back end of the season

I've watched a ton of videos, probably those ones but not sure

 

[akaifu]

I wish someone would point me to a video where reid kicks the football forward and hits targets when referencing his disposal. I'm fine with his speed and lack of aggression/general chutzpa around the contest, it's his disposal that doesn't stack up. He constantly prefers to go the loopy link up handball path or crabby kick to the wing over progressing the football up the ground by foot. In finals, the handball bs won't cut it, and the crabby kick just gives afl defenses time to set up.

Where are the videos of this much mentioned elite disposal? (by foot)

However, if we can develop the forward kicking element of his game then I'd be ok with the pick, but as it stands he doesn't have it. Currently, Smillie is a better kick than reid

People froth over Reid hitting 20m kicks and get confused over the difference between hitting targets and elite kicking. Its confirmation bias - they see that he's elite by hand so they assume he's also elite by foot

 

[stavro#4]

People froth over Reid hitting 20m kicks and get confused over the difference between hitting targets and elite kicking. Its confirmation bias - they see that he's elite by hand so they assume he's also elite by foot

Or he isn’t anywhere near as bad and as useless as you are making out.

You have some real favouritism to the players you want picked

 

[ScrappyDo]

I might be wrong but, or I’m supporting my own agenda here but I can’t recall Twomey linking us to Allan yet?

Generally he’s on the money and to this point it’s been Smilie, Langford, Draper & Reid at our picks (provided Tauru goes to North)

If you look at the current draft, other outlets have linked us to Armstrong & Allan with Melbourne and West Coast with picks either side, or close to ours.

Could SOS and Gubby be leaking in the attempt that Melbourne reach for Armstrong first, and West Coast try and trade up for Allan?

WC can't trade up for Allan as they lack the capital. They probably took a chance that he'd slip through or maybe they just don't even care.
And pay no attention to the media, it's all just click bait.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Reid averaged 3.25 clearances per game in the Champs. Allan averaged 3.66 as a non-specialist mid. Tom Gross averaged 3 as a half forward. Jagga averaged almost 7

Think the telling stat there is Jagga to be honest.

Would be great to see what the Coates League numbers were but looks like they don’t take clearances.

 

[akaifu]

Or he isn’t anywhere near as bad and as useless as you are making out.

You have some real favouritism to the players you want picked

Would be strange if I didn't favour the players I want picked

Never said he was "bad" or "useless". Was literally comparing him to Neale and Sheezel a minute ago. All I'm saying is that there is a reason why almost all journos including Cal (who is one of his biggest fans) has pick 8 as the top of his range and making comments such as "it wouldn't be a slide if he was available at pick 13 for Port Adelaide"

Someone a few days ago said Reid ran a sub 3 sec 20m sprint - literally making stuff up to make him look good

 

[Tommy Wigs]

The player who is really hard to place right now is Jagga.

Do Carlton rate Jagga over FOS+ Draper?

Does Adelaide rate FOS over Jagga + Draper?

If Jagga goes at either pick… I think we are in with a shot at Draper.

There also seems to be quite a lot of chat that Adelaide really like Langford too. Draper seems a perfect fit and quite likely their preferred. But if Draper is gone then quite possible that they overlook Jagga for Langford (and if Draper and Tauru have selected then it means FOS is still there too).

 

[akaifu]

Think the telling stat there is Jagga to be honest.

Would be great to see what the Coates League numbers were but looks like they don’t take clearances.

Well its not when you consider the fact that Gross who is predominantly a half forward almost has the same average of clearances as Reid, while Allan, who has limited exposure to midfield prior to this year's Champs and is criticised for his lack of midfield craft, averages more

 

[MrFoster]

People froth over Reid hitting 20m kicks and get confused over the difference between hitting targets and elite kicking. Its confirmation bias - they see that he's elite by hand so they assume he's also elite by foot

Yes, as oppose to Allan fumbling, panick kicking under pressure or just long bombs to no where.. where have I seen this movie before? oh yeah, that’s our midfield’s 1 wood for the last 10 years..

Only if we have someone who can handle the ball in contest/congestion cleanly, handball or kick to someone in space to launch a high percentage attack. Or go kick a goal himself. That’s what Reid is for..

 

[_Maximus_12]

Reid
Pre-Season
20m: 3.025
Vertical: 75cm
Agility: 8.390
Yo-yo: 1000

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Well butter my buns and call me a biscuit, those numbers don’t match the narrative on a manlet plodder.

 

[ScrappyDo]

The one everyone seems flat about is Travaglia, he could turn out to be similar to NWM.

Have a read of the below from pages 250 up until we pick NWN, hindsight is wonderful but majority were desperate for Hobbs or Gibcus.

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Travaglia is super aggressive with play and keeps the game moving, a decent handball but below par for kicking. Lindsay is the guy if we're doing that comparison.

 

[TheJackal]

Reid, like pretty much every single draftee this year, is not without his downfalls. This is the year where there are probably 15 players who have some elite qualities and some not so elite properties. It's easy to focus on the negatives, but that's where the recruiters earn their stripes by determining what translates to the big time.

I see a mix of Pendles and Dal in his game. Of course, that's the best of him I'm focussing on.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Well its not when you consider the fact that Gross who is predominantly a half forward almost has the same average of clearances as Reid, while Allan, who has limited exposure to midfield prior to this year's Champs and is criticised for his lack of midfield craft, averages more

How often was Reid in the middle with Jagga vs Gross by comparison? What were the percentage of time in roles (eg. Hff/mid etc). Then compare this to Allan who doesn’t have a fellow WA teammate in top 30 to split roles with in the stoppage.

Genuine question?

Let’s assess the sum of all parts.

Jagga dominated at VFL, he is a ball pig.

 

[TheJackal]

I'm still wondering whether Trainor and Hotton will be better than pick 8. I'd suggest Trainor could well be the best kick in the draft

 

[kyrgios]

The one everyone seems flat about is Travaglia, he could turn out to be similar to NWM.

Have a read of the below from pages 250 up until we pick NWN, hindsight is wonderful but majority were desperate for Hobbs or Gibcus.

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www.bigfooty.com

 

[ScrappyDo]

You have some real favouritism to the players you want picked

As do we all oh Great One.

 

[akaifu]

How often was Reid in the middle with Jagga vs Gross by comparison? What were the percentage of time in roles (eg. Hff/mid etc). Then compare this to Allan who doesn’t have a fellow WA teammate in top 30 to split roles with in the stoppage.

Genuine question?

Let’s assess the sum of all parts.

Jagga dominated at VFL, he is a ball pig.

There are no stats on that but a good indication of it is CP to UP ratio

Reid 37/59
Gross 21/59
Jagga 55/64
Allan 23/38

Gross is clearly playing a lot more forward than Reid. And this is a contested player we are talking about - Gross last year was rated as one of the better inside contested mids so if he was playing more mid, his ratio would be a lot higher

Allan's is below par because as I have said, he is new to the midfield therefore one of his biggest weaknesses is stoppage craft. Easily developed at AFL level - as seen with Pou

 

[Tommy Wigs]

The one everyone seems flat about is Travaglia, he could turn out to be similar to NWM.

Have a read of the below from pages 250 up until we pick NWN, hindsight is wonderful but majority were desperate for Hobbs or Gibcus.

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He has some excellent attributes. Super competitive, excellent overhead, attacking, great endurance, excellent form in big games. And much better judges than me have at least suggested the similarities with Day.

 

[stavro#4]

As do we all oh Great One.

You know why they make Scrappy Do the villain in the movie with Sarah Michelle Geller?

It’s because no one likes him

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I wish someone would point me to a video where reid kicks the football forward and hits targets when referencing his disposal. I'm fine with his speed and lack of aggression/general chutzpa around the contest, it's his disposal that doesn't stack up. He constantly prefers to go the loopy link up handball path or crabby kick to the wing over progressing the football up the ground by foot. In finals, the handball bs won't cut it, and the crabby kick just gives afl defenses time to set up.

Where are the videos of this much mentioned elite disposal? (by foot)

However, if we can develop the forward kicking element of his game then I'd be ok with the pick, but as it stands he doesn't have it. Currently, Smillie is a better kick than reid

Certainly doesn’t kick it in the same manner as Dal. His other traits are excellent

 

[triggering bro]

If the rumours are true Lalor, FOS, Tauru and Smillie all go top 6. That would mean at least one of Jagga, Langford or Draper is available at 7. Imagine Dees go tall and two of those three are available. No interest in Reid. Manlet.

 

[True Believer]

Is that the same world where Jessica Alba comes to live with me?

I can drop her off when she leaves my place if you're not too far away?

 

[SteeleSaints]

I think we need to look at Murphy Reid like a NRL or Rugby half back, he is a ball distributor who sets up his team mates. He is not someone who will necessarily make big metres in games with his kicking or run and carry but his creativity will put his team mates into space. He is elite in close with his hands and the way he shimmies to get the ball out, as long as he can win the ball in the contest at the next level he will be a valuable player. Lets not forget that these kids are 18yo and are not finished products, they will have the chance to develop their games considerably at the next level.

People need to chill over the draft - the longer drafts go on the more scientific and accurate recruiting becomes. There will always be failures for one reason or another, but I am confident we will come out of this draft with at least one elite midfielder and a hand full of very good players.