List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Crow till I die]

Just coming in here to say congrats on landing some good recruits…

Over Port too which makes it sweeter.

All the best for 2025, I have Crows rising up the ladder.

We love that Perryman chose to play for the real magpies

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So ideal list changes...

Outs
Sloane retired
Smith sanfl / sanfl assistant coach
Burgess delisted
Strachan delisted
Parnell delisted
McHenry trade for F4
Gollant for 3rd rounder

Ins:
(T Murray)
Cumming FA
Neal-Bullen for F2
Peatling & #49 for #25
Pick #4 - midfielder
Welsh
Next pick - ruckman

Keep Himmelberg & Hamill (rookie)

Update...

Outs
Sloane
Smith
Burgess
Strachan
Parnell
McHenry
Himmelberg

Ins
( T Murray)
Cumming
Neal-Bullen
Peatling
Pick #4 - midfielder
Welsh
Next pick - ruckman

 

[Anzacpaul]

As long as we keep pick 4 this offseason has been

Pick 4 mid
Welsh
Cummins
Peatling
ANB

 

[Cromulant]

Delist and rookie Smith, no-one will pick him up.

Or just delist

 

[FR0GGY]

Ok any chance we can get a definitive list of our list spots what everyone can agree with and don’t ask me, my expertise is being a pain in the but to some

Google it, you lazy sod

 

[Crow-eater]

Ok any chance we can get a definitive list of our list spots what everyone can agree with and don’t ask me, my expertise is being a pain in the but to some

We currently, definitely have 4 free list spots, and 1 rookie spot. If Burgess is uncontracted it's 5 and 1.Assuming all those still uncontracted are not being signed.

To get ANB/Cumming/Peatling + 3 draft picks we need to move at least 1 player to the rookie list (If Burgess is uncontracted) or 2 (If Burgess is contracted)

We can upgrade Keane and de-list/re-rookie someone to take 1 less draft pick if needed.

 

[George Kramer]

We currently, definitely have 4 free list spots, and 1 rookie spot. If Burgess is uncontracted it's 5 and 1.Assuming all those still uncontracted are not being signed.

To get ANB/Cumming/Peatling + 3 draft picks we need to move at least 1 player to the rookie list (If Burgess is uncontracted) or 2 (If Burgess is contracted)

We can upgrade Keane and de-list/re-rookie someone to take 1 less draft pick if needed.

Thanks

 

[Crow_68]

Think it ends up something like this

Outs:
Sloane - retired
Himmelberg - free agent
McHenry - delisted
Burgess - delisted
Gollant - delisted
Smith - rookie list

Ins:
Cumming
Peatling
ANB
Pick 4
Welsh
Another pick or Keane upgrade

Parnell and Hamill removed from the rookie list,

Would leave a list of 38+4, with the rookie list being T.Murray, Borlase, Smith and Keane (unless he is upgraded, in which case we will have one rookie spot available)

 

[Danger in Texas]

In:
Isaac Cumming

13

Isaac Cumming

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

MG

158.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

158.0

3star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.6

4star

(FA)
James Peatling (trade for 25)
Alex Neal-Bullen

30

Alex Neal-bullen

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.1

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

1.5

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

(trade for F2)
Pick 4
Tyler Welsh
Mark Keane (upgraded rookie)
——
Toby Murray (MSD)
Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

32

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

(re-rookied)
Chris Burgess

21

Chris Burgess

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.2

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.4

3star

(re-rookied)

Out:
Rory Sloane

9

Rory Sloane

Age

34

Ht

183cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

11.9

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

6.6

5star

CL

5.7

5star

D

15.3

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

8.0

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.3

4star

CL

4.2

5star

D

22.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

13.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

6.0

5star

CL

4.6

5star

(retired)
Ned McHenry

25

Ned Mchenry

Age

24

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

(delisted)
Lachie Gollant (delisted)
Elliot Himmelberg (GC)
Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

32

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

(rookied)
Chris Burgess

21

Chris Burgess

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.2

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.4

3star

(rookied)
——
Will Hamill

17

Will Hamill

Age

24

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

3star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

135.2

3star

(delisted)
Patrick Parnell (delisted)
Mark Keane (upgraded)

It’ll be something like that

 

[Samcro24]

As if we’ve announced three signing before trade week has kicked off. This is unheard of.

Who else can we get?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

We are coming for you

We are so due to beat collingwood

So many near misses over last 4-5 years

Time to beat them next year

 

[Danger in Texas]

We are so due to beat collingwood

So many near misses over last 4-5 years

Time to beat them next year

I reckon we’ve lost our last four games against them by less than a goal

We’re definitely due

 

[PeterSalt]

We are so due to beat collingwood

So many near misses over last 4-5 years

Time to beat them next year

Been going to Melbourne for years to watch the game with a few Collingwood flogs

Yes please

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

I reckon we’ve lost our last four games against them by less than a goal

We’re definitely due

Five of the last six (2021 was a goal).

 

[Samcro24]

Five of the last six (2021 was a goal).

13 all time by under a kick.

 

[George Kramer]

In:
Isaac Cumming (FA)
James Peatling (trade for 25)
Alex Neal-Bullen (trade for F2)
Pick 4
Tyler Welsh
Mark Keane (upgraded rookie)
——
Toby Murray (MSD)
Brodie Smith (re-rookied)
Chris Burgess (re-rookied)

Out:
Rory Sloane (retired)
Ned McHenry (delisted)
Lachie Gollant (delisted)
Elliot Himmelberg (GC)
Brodie Smith (rookied)
Chris Burgess (rookied)
——
Will Hamill (delisted)
Patrick Parnell (delisted)
Mark Keane (upgraded)

It’ll be something like that

**** imagine keeping Smith on the rookie list than having a shot at another player and no way I’m keeping Burgess, he’s a dud

 

[Danger in Texas]

**** imagine keeping Smith on the rookie list than having a shot at another player and no way I’m keeping Burgess, he’s a dud

Re: Smith - emphasises my point I’ve said ad nauseam re: lack of communication between list management and coaching, shouldn’t have been played to the trigger

Re: Burgess - I’m not super fussed keeping him as a ‘break glass’ option (especially as Gollant and EH are gone), but he needs to be last on the KPF depth chart next year (behind Turray and Welsh)

 

[adelaidecrows]

**** imagine keeping Smith on the rookie list than having a shot at another player and no way I’m keeping Burgess, he’s a dud

Have to keep Burgess. Without Himmelberg we have no talls as back up. Honestly, I am hoping the clubsurprises us with a 3rd pick and picks a ruckman. We need some more height as back up.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Have to keep Burgess. Without Himmelberg we have no talls as back up. Honestly, I am hoping the clubsurprises us with a 3rd pick and picks a ruckman. We need some more height as back up.

Trading a contracted player (although unlikely) would be ideal, so that we could have the flexibility to draft a ruckman

 

[George Kramer]

Have to keep Burgess. Without Himmelberg we have no talls as back up. Honestly, I am hoping the clubsurprises us with a 3rd pick and picks a ruckman. We need some more height as back up.

I’d delist Burgess and take a punt on a back up that might make it, Burgess is a known dud

 

[adelaidecrows]

Trading a contracted player (although unlikely) would be ideal, so that we could have the flexibility to draft a ruckman

This has been one area we have probably been lacking for a long time. We have not really strategically traded players. For example, with Edwards, Dowling, Taylor all on the books and needing games, and obtaining Peatling and our pick 4 mid, surely the need to keep Berry and Pedlar is not a high priority. Why not put them on the market to seek other opportunities as the harsh reality is both look destined to find opportunities limited moving forward. Smart clubs sell that to the players in advance so that they consider other options. Berry could fetch us a pick in the 30s and pedlar well i dont think he has value but could token trade him for a 60s or 70s draft pick to clear a spot on the list.

Either way it clears room to bring in a ruckman.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I’d delist Burgess and take a punt on a back up that might make it, Burgess is a known dud

He was a dud when we got him lol. I like the club selling it that he did well in the reserves. Did so well for GC that they didnt even consider playing him in broken side.

 

[CharlieCrow]

There has to be more of a reason to trading in Burgess than his quality as a player or his strategic capacities should a best 22 player go down.
It may have been taking him along with pick 14 last year to bolster return value for giving them 23 and 26. Pick 14 then became part of the longer game which saw it - now pick 15 go to GWS with 11 and 2024R2 to engineer the Curtin selection at 8 and Edwards at 21 (formerly 17).
Interestingly the GWS picks blew out to 12 and 17 which they used on two players who have yet to play a game.

 

[SellarStardom]

Have to keep Burgess. Without Himmelberg we have no talls as back up. Honestly, I am hoping the clubsurprises us with a 3rd pick and picks a ruckman. We need some more height as back up.

Toby Murray says hello

 

[CharlieCrow]

Toby Murray says hello

hope so