List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Cromulant]

That interests me, if he's not just a ruckman what else is he, can't say I've seen him play anywhere else much?

Can't see AFL clubs looking at him as anything other than a top ruck prospect?

Speaking to the Sturt development guys they do see him as a ruck that can play forward. Hasnt translated on field currently but its something they worked on pretty hard during the year.

It'll also be interesting to see how he develops after devoting to footy full time. He is still pretty new to the game.

 

[GreyCrow]

Grundy 18 and NicNat 2 both did not win flags but contributed to their clubs going deep and playing GFs

Yes teams have won despite not prioritising rucks

Buckley built his game plan around the boundary in response to Grundys dominance

 

[Crows I Am]

I want enough mids to make sure we end up with 3-4 A grade ones

Dawson, Soligo, Curtin, Rankine and Pick 4 is a good start.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Interesting listen ....

 

[Mutineer]

Interesting listen ....

LOL

Jarrod Berry ...We wish

 

[Carmo]

Interesting listen ....

We could do a better analysis than that.

 

[BrissyCrow]

How many mids do we need? We have been stocking up on them for the last few years. We are now going to take another one this year with pick four which is great, but I think we have every right to take non mids with any other picks this year.

We can only fit so many guys in the middle, no point having 20 mids on our list when most will either have to play in another role or in the SANFL. We often end up having to play mids as small forwards as we can't fit them in the middle. How about we actually draft a small forward who can play there.

I agree that a first rounder is probably a bit early for a ruck, but if you can get a potential long term quality option then I am happy to take him at that range. We need to bring in a young project ruck this year one way or another. And then next year we need to replace Stachan with a younger back up option.

I agree but I have to ask the question...do we have an elite midfield. If we had an Oliver and a Petracca then sure mids could drop down our list of requirements, but we dont. We have some potentially good mids so there is a need to get our hands on some potentially elite mids.

 

[skam85]

Rucks get you to grand finals, they don't necessarily win you one though

 

[BigFella!]

LOL

Jarrod Berry ...We wish

If we go back to pick 15 of the 2016 draft, we could have picked Jarrod Berry instead of Jordan Gallucci ... The joys of 20/20 hindsight, but the wish could have been a reality. That 2nd rounder we traded to GWS could have been used on Tom Stewart (instead of Curtly Hampton), and the 3rd rounder we used on Myles Poholke could have gotten us Darcy Cameron. If we go a little bit deeper into that draft, Matthew Signorello could have been Luke Ryan and Ben Davis could have been Jack Henry or several other options who are still playing AFL.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

Not about us, but its port pushing houston out for draft picks, not him demanding to leave. Davies essentially confirming this

I don’t think Port will get a top 10 pick for Houston imo. I actually reckon they’ll struggle to get Luko and struggle to get value for Soldo

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Rucks get you to grand finals, they don't necessarily win you one though

Grundy should have monstered Fort...

 

[Cromulant]

Grundy should have monstered Fort...

He looked cooked halfway through the year

 

[latinoheat]

I don’t think Port will get a top 10 pick for Houston imo. I actually reckon they’ll struggle to get Luko and struggle to get value for Soldo

Nah port always manage to find a way.
They’ll get a first round pick for Houston (either this or next year )
And they’ll pay a second round pick for luko .

 

[jenny61_99]

Nah port always manage to find a way.
They’ll get a first round pick for Houston (either this or next year )
And they’ll pay a second round pick for luko .

And they’ll still be shit…

 

[Go the Guts]

And they’ll still be shit…

So shit they might make another prelim at least....

 

[adelaidecrows]

I don’t think Port will get a top 10 pick for Houston imo. I actually reckon they’ll struggle to get Luko and struggle to get value for Soldo

They wont get a top 10 pick for Houston. No one is going to gift any club let alone Port a top 15 pick this year just so Port can get Luko with their future first and get into the draft this year. The only offers Port will get are future firsts because this is one draft every club wants in on. If Port took the pain this year and didnt trade this years pick away, theyd probably have a top 10 pick, have put games into their younger players and get Luko and the Houston trade would be a non event. They could have really got some great talent into the club. Instead, well here we are.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Nah port always manage to find a way.
They’ll get a first round pick for Houston (either this or next year )
And they’ll pay a second round pick for luko .

Nah Luko will be a first. you wont get a pre peak 2nd national draft pick and 116 games of experience for a 2nd rounder. If they get him that cheap that the AFL should actually refuse the trade under the fairness act because Gold Coast are accepting AFL money and shouldnt be trading talent stupid cheap.

Luko is worth more than Houston. 28yo 3-4 years tops compared with a 24yo 8 year player. So there is no way Houston fetches a first rounder and luko doesnt.

 

[jenny61_99]

So shit they might make another prelim at least....

Don’t matter, they can’t win one!

 

[relapse]

There's less than zero chance the AFL dig in.

The AFL refused a trade before due to the future pick trading rules.

I can't remember whether it was Hawthorn or Essendon, but there was a trade a few years ago that the AFL said no to and told them that they had to rework the trade because it went against the trading future picks rule.

 

[relapse]

Nah Luko will be a first. you wont get a pre peak 2nd national draft pick and 116 games of experience for a 2nd rounder. If they get him that cheap that the AFL should actually refuse the trade under the fairness act because Gold Coast are accepting AFL money and shouldnt be trading talent stupid cheap.

Luko is worth more than Houston. 28yo 3-4 years tops compared with a 24yo 8 year player. So there is no way Houston fetches a first rounder and luko doesnt.

I agree that Luko's price is a first rounder and that's why I think Port may now be stuck between a rock and a hard place with Houston.

If GC are asking for a first for Luko then Port basically have no other option than to trade Houston to get their hands on a first to free up their F1 to be traded.

I suspect all the talk about holding on to Houston is just an empty threat.

 

[GreyCrow]

They wont get a top 10 pick for Houston. No one is going to gift any club let alone Port a top 15 pick this year j

Except the AFL

But I agree on your point

 

[AFC979810]

Rucks get you to grand finals, they don't necessarily win you one though

Meh - Last 10 losing grand teams and their ruckman and their finishing position in a B&F.

Sydney 2024 - Grundy - B&F to be decided.
Brisbane 2023 - Oscar (9th B&F)
Sydney 2022 - Hickey - Not top 10.
Bulldogs 2021 - Martin/English - Not top 10
Cats 2020 - Rhys Stanley - Not in top 10
Giants 2019 - Mumford - Not in top 10
Collingwood 2018 - Grundy - (B&F winner).
Crows 2017 - Jacobs (4th in B&F).
Swans 2016 - Naismith - Not top 10.
West Coast 2015 - Nic Nat (8th in B&F).

Half of the losing teams of the last 10 years didnt have a ruckman that was a really important piece.

Look at the really influential ruckman over the past 10 years with regards to where they were plucked. Gawn - 3rd rounder. Grundy (2018) pick 18. Grundy 2024 (salary dump). Nic Nat.(Pick 1) Jacobs (insignificant trade after being a rookie lister).

As long as you have a ruckman that is a little bit competitive - you are perfectly fine.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Grundy 18 and NicNat 2 both did not win flags but contributed to their clubs going deep and playing GFs

Yes teams have won despite not prioritising rucks

Buckley built his game plan around the boundary in response to Grundys dominance

Malthouse used the boundary before Buckley unless I'm missing something

 

[AFC979810]

Grundy 18 and NicNat 2 both did not win flags but contributed to their clubs going deep and playing GFs

Yes teams have won despite not prioritising rucks

Buckley built his game plan around the boundary in response to Grundys dominance

Since 2000 - here are a list of 1st round Ruckman with Bolded. Angwin, Barry Brooks, Hamish McIntosh, Jayson Laycock, John meson, Patty Ryder, Luenberger, Kruezer, McEvoy, Lobbe, Nic Nat, Vickery, Cordy, Gorringe, Grundy.

To my knowledge there has only been one ruckman taken in the TRUE first round* since Grundy went at 18 in 2012 and that was Sydney using pick 16 for Will Greene.

AFL teams have learned not to use draft capital on ruckman. They take too long to develop and even if you land a good one - they are not a key piece of a premiership winning list.

*I dont care what the AFL tries to tell us about what is and what is a first round pick. If there are 18 teams - then those first 18 players off the board are the first round picks. In 2023 - pick 29 was considered a bloody first round pick and there were only 8 third round picks....

 

[GreyCrow]

Malthouse used the boundary before Buckley unless I'm missing something

You could be right. I could be mixing them up