List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[adelaidecrows]

Toby Murray says hello

Forgot about him. Ok Burgess can go.

 

[rabidcrow]

This has been one area we have probably been lacking for a long time. We have not really strategically traded players. For example, with Edwards, Dowling, Taylor all on the books and needing games, and obtaining Peatling and our pick 4 mid, surely the need to keep Berry and Pedlar is not a high priority. Why not put them on the market to seek other opportunities as the harsh reality is both look destined to find opportunities limited moving forward. Smart clubs sell that to the players in advance so that they consider other options. Berry could fetch us a pick in the 30s and pedlar well i dont think he has value but could token trade him for a 60s or 70s draft pick to clear a spot on the list.

Either way it clears room to bring in a ruckman.

Pedlar has a higher ceiling than everybody else you named. And Cook would be the one to cut anyway


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[Draft Bored]

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

[Moonwatcher]

I mean, I would assume it's inarguable that our lack of experience has in some way contributed to our results this year.

And they obviously know that, judging by their off season efforts to bring in mature first 18 players.

Seems a strange thing to argue about.

Most would say it was our experienced players that let us down this year.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Richmond about 10 years if you consider Cochin (P2 - 2007), Martin (P3 -2009), Rance (PP - P18 - 2007) and Reiwolt (P13 - 2006) as the key players or the players they built the team around

Hawthorn was similar if you consider Hodge (P1 - 2001), Franklin (P5 - 2004), Roughead (P2 - 2004), Mitchell (P36 - 2001) as their key players

Even Hawthorn thought winning in 2008 was an anomaly, and thought they'd need a least a couple more years to genuinely compete

Richmond were the last team to build the core of their side before GC and GWS kept everyone out of the draft. It prolonged their run a bit.

 

[AFC979810]

Pedlar has a higher ceiling than everybody else you named. And Cook would be the one to cut anyway


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Anthony Morabito was extremely talented as well. The worry is injuries.

Massive concern IMO.

He had a shoulder reconstruction in 2019. He missed the end of 2020 with a knee injury.

When he got to the club the shoulder injury was still lingering. He then struggled with groin soreness and an abdominal strain in the preseason of 2021, but managed to make it to midseason and get 2 games for us.

He then hurt his ankle in round 16 in an SANFL game that ruled him out for the rest of the season. A month later he underwent his second shoulder reconstruction.

Here is where we were at the end of 2021. The clock is ticking on Pedlar IMO. Has had 5 injury interrupted seasons and 1 healthy season (2023).

 

[adelaidecrows]

Anthony Morabito was extremely talented as well. The worry is injuries.



Here is where we were at the end of 2021. The clock is ticking on Pedlar IMO. Has had 5 injury interrupted seasons and 1 healthy season (2023).

The problem facing Pedlar is falling so far down the pecking order that he may not be able to work his way back into the side without injuries gifting him a chance. Does pedlar have a higher ceiling though? I dont think he has ever really shown anything super impressive. When he did play he was so poor at times we were wanting him dropped. Yes a lot of it can be down to injury interrupted pre seasons. If he has a full pre season and can demonstrate good form in the trials anything is a possibility. At this stage unfortunately I am struggling to see him cementing a spot.

 

[Mostyn]

Assuming we land your listed ins (and Burgess is contracted) we have no more vacant list spots. Would need to move on a contracted player.

The Advertiser have reported twice recently that Burgess is amongst the uncontracted players who left their exit interview without a commitment for 2025.

 

[Mostyn]

Parnell and Hamill are OOC. Fair call with Schoenberg. If we brought in a Knobel/Heath type of ruck back up, we’d have no reason to not cut Strachan now. Whether we pay him for 2025 now or next year, he ain’t playing AFL over them.

DEPARTURES - Elliot Himmelberg, Rory Sloane, Chris Burgess, Lachlan Gollant, Ned McHenry, plus rookies Will Hamill and Patrick Parnell.

ROOKIE LIST "ARRIVALS" - Toby Murray and Brodie Smith (from Main List, could be any other one year contracted player)

Six main list departures - three trades, two picks and Welsh

 

[Mostyn]

We also need to get enough later picks to pay for Welsh, should we get a nasty early bid for him from Sydney.
Of course, he might slip so far that we get him for nothing as a rookie.

We don't want to be embarrassed by poor bookkeeping.

We need to be okay to let him go if the bid is too early. That's the only way this process works.

 

[119others]

Update...

Outs
Sloane
Smith
Burgess
Strachan
Parnell
McHenry
Himmelberg

Ins
( T Murray)
Cumming
Neal-Bullen
Peatling
Pick #4 - midfielder
Welsh
Next pick - ruckman

Agree with most but no way we can get rid of Strachan without a developed second ruck. Imagine ROB going down with an ACL in the preseason who rucks for the year with no ROB, Strachan or Berg?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Agree with most but no way we can get rid of Strachan without a developed second ruck. Imagine ROB going down with an ACL in the preseason who rucks for the year with no ROB, Strachan or Berg?

Strachan has shown he can't run out 4 quarters of AFL, so we may as get in someone who can.

ROB going down is a bigger risk now Berg is leaving.

Thilthorpe & T Murray combo is our best backup option & we need someone else.

 

[119others]

This has been one area we have probably been lacking for a long time. We have not really strategically traded players. For example, with Edwards, Dowling, Taylor all on the books and needing games, and obtaining Peatling and our pick 4 mid, surely the need to keep Berry and Pedlar is not a high priority. Why not put them on the market to seek other opportunities as the harsh reality is both look destined to find opportunities limited moving forward. Smart clubs sell that to the players in advance so that they consider other options. Berry could fetch us a pick in the 30s and pedlar well i dont think he has value but could token trade him for a 60s or 70s draft pick to clear a spot on the list.

Either way it clears room to bring in a ruckman.

Geez, after his potential shown only last year this could go TERRIBLY wrong IMO.

That said, needs to have a good year

 

[Crow till I die]

The problem facing Pedlar is falling so far down the pecking order that he may not be able to work his way back into the side without injuries gifting him a chance. Does pedlar have a higher ceiling though? I dont think he has ever really shown anything super impressive. When he did play he was so poor at times we were wanting him dropped. Yes a lot of it can be down to injury interrupted pre seasons. If he has a full pre season and can demonstrate good form in the trials anything is a possibility. At this stage unfortunately I am struggling to see him cementing a spot.

Best bet right now for Pedlar is to get through a full preseason uninterrupted. Then as he won't be a walk up start in the main side, he needs to go aboit putting together a real meaningful body of work at SANFL level, be consistent and hopefully stay injury free. It will then put it in his own mind that he is past the recurring problems and is really ready to step up when called on. He absolutely has the talent and a fit and in form Pedlar is absolutely in our best 22 imo.

 

[119others]

Strachan has shown he can't run out 4 quarters of AFL, so we may as get in someone who can.

ROB going down is a bugger risk now Berg is leaving.

Thilthorpe & T Murray combo is our best backup option & we need someone else.

TT needs to be our beast up forward. Look at his last 7 weeks. On the way to elite.

Murray has hardly played ruck in SANFl? 200cm is outlier small for rucks.

Personally don’t feel those 2 are the answer and/or adequate. Would need a ready made second ruck traded in and no whispers of that

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

TT needs to be our beast up forward. Look at his last 7 weeks. On the way to elite.

Murray has hardly played ruck in SANFl? 200cm is outlier small for rucks.

Personally don’t feel those 2 are the answer and/or adequate. Would need a ready made second ruck traded in and no whispers of that

The issue is Stachan is not the answer so we need to look elsewhere!

 

[George Kramer]

Most would say it was our experienced players that let us down this year.

Yep, I’d love to know which of our inexperienced players let us down compared to some of the experienced players. It’s a bullshit cop out argument.

For example, these new players who should they be replacing?

ANB - Murphy
Cumming - Smith
Peatling - Laird and Berry

 

[119others]

The issue is Stachan is not the answer so we need to look elsewhere!

Agree 100% just saying we can’t afford to get rid of him until we have both looked elsewhere AND secured a readymade second ruckman

 

[woofsson]

"The sky is falling! We are all doomed" is the default position of the "others" (you know who you are).

Th sky is not falling. The earth is rising.

 

[119others]

Best bet right now for Pedlar is to get through a full preseason uninterrupted. Then as he won't be a walk up start in the main side, he needs to go aboit putting together a real meaningful body of work at SANFL level, be consistent and hopefully stay injury free. It will then put it in his own mind that he is past the recurring problems and is really ready to step up when called on. He absolutely has the talent and a fit and in form Pedlar is absolutely in our best 22 imo.

I loved Peds 2023 and have said he was the biggest disappointment this year.

That said, where does he play next year? Small forwards Rachele, ANB, Keays and Rankine (at times). Who does he push out? I still have hopes he can get body right and become part time mid and part time small forward but time is running out going into his 5th year

 

[baldandbroke]

Pedlar needs his body to keep up, he is the exact type of player that we need more of.

Hopefully that happens this off-season ... it's a cumulative thing for him, another off-season of Burgess and Co. should help him again.

I think of him as a slightly different (at this stage lesser) Porplyzia. One of my all time favs.

 

[Crow_68]

There has to be more of a reason to trading in Burgess than his quality as a player or his strategic capacities should a best 22 player go down.
It may have been taking him along with pick 14 last year to bolster return value for giving them 23 and 26. Pick 14 then became part of the longer game which saw it - now pick 15 go to GWS with 11 and 2024R2 to engineer the Curtin selection at 8 and Edwards at 21 (formerly 17).
Interestingly the GWS picks blew out to 12 and 17 which they used on two players who have yet to play a game.

And pick 17, James Leake, will be the likely replacement for Isaac Cumming

 

[hugecannon]

Agree with most but no way we can get rid of Strachan without a developed second ruck. Imagine ROB going down with an ACL in the preseason who rucks for the year with no ROB, Strachan or Berg?

Cut Strachan and pay him out.

I’d see if we could bring in Ladhams cheaply as backup, he’s definitely a flog but he’s a much better player than Strachan and would at least keep O’Brien semi-accountable, while we hopefully draft and develop a rookie ruckman.

 

[119others]

Cut Strachan and pay him out.

I’d see if we could bring in Ladhams cheaply as backup, he’s definitely a flog but he’s a much better player than Strachan and would at least keep O’Brien semi-accountable, while we hopefully draft and develop a rookie ruckman.

very happy with this from purely a playing perspective. Did Ladhams have some very serious allegations re domestic issues against him whilst living in SA? If true, would not touch

 

[Dangerousfield]

As long as we keep pick 4 this offseason has been

Pick 4 mid
Welsh
Cummins
Peatling
ANB

Start the car! Club has done a terrific job, I'm putting the sunnies back on.