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In hindsight we should have let him remain at WWT this year.
Edit: I thought you were talking about Welsh. Sorry.
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Edit: I thought you were talking about Welsh. Sorry.
GWS has to be an F
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Very generous to Port there. I'd say D.
Atkins........ really????
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A bigger deal out west.
The only thing that stopped him was the knee injury last year, seeing Thilthorpe put up some straight up monstrous numbers once he came into the side.
Port I would go C-
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From a net player POV.... best side net impacts
+3 Crows in Cumming, ANB, Peatling, Out Himmelberg
+3 North In Parker, Darling, Daniel, Konstanty
+2 Hawthorn In Barrass, Battle
+1 Fremantle In Bolton
+1 Geelong In Smith
+1 Collingwood In Houston, Perryman, Out Noble, Richards
+1 Suns In Rioli, Noble, Himmelberg, Out Lukosius, Atkins
+1 West Coast In Baker, Graham, Owies, Out Barrass, Darling
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0 Port in Lukosius, Richards, Atkins, Out Houston
0 Melbourne In Campbell, Sharp
0 St Kilda In Macrae, Out Battle, Campbell
0 Brisbane Out Sharp
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-1 Carlton In Haynes, Out Kennedy, Owies
-1 Sydney Out Parker, Konstanty
-1 Essendon Out Stringer
-2 Bulldogs In Kennedy, Out Smith, Daniel, Macrae
-2 GWS In Stringer, Out Cumming, Perryman, Peatling, Haynes
-4 Richmond Out Bolton, Rioli, Baker Graham
+3 Crows in Cumming, ANB, Peatling, Out Himmelberg
+3 North In Parker, Darling, Daniel, Konstanty
+2 Hawthorn In Barrass, Battle
+1 Fremantle In Bolton
+1 Geelong In Smith
+1 Collingwood In Houston, Perryman, Out Noble, Richards
+1 Suns In Rioli, Noble, Himmelberg, Out Lukosius, Atkins
+1 West Coast In Baker, Graham, Owies, Out Barrass, Darling
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0 Port in Lukosius, Richards, Atkins, Out Houston
0 Melbourne In Campbell, Sharp
0 St Kilda In Macrae, Out Battle, Campbell
0 Brisbane Out Sharp
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-1 Carlton In Haynes, Out Kennedy, Owies
-1 Sydney Out Parker, Konstanty
-1 Essendon Out Stringer
-2 Bulldogs In Kennedy, Out Smith, Daniel, Macrae
-2 GWS In Stringer, Out Cumming, Perryman, Peatling, Haynes
-4 Richmond Out Bolton, Rioli, Baker Graham
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Adelaide A - added three best 22 players for two second round picks
Brisbane C - did nothing except prepare to receive Levi Ashcroft
Carlton B+ - absolutely fleeced West Coast for pick 3, though they did give up a bunch of other picks, also got rid of Owies which is a huge win
Collingwood A - had no currency yet still landed Dan Houston
Essendon B - did pretty well trading pick 9 for a huge amount of points
Fremantle B - added Shai Bolton at fair value
GCS E - got absolutely rolled in the Rioli trade giving massive overs, and got fair value for Lukosius
Geelong A+ - traded in a star player in Bailey Smith while only giving up a single late first round pick
GWS D+ - lost three players but gained two first round compensation picks
Hawthorn A+ - forced West Coast to fold on a contracted Barrass then also got Battle for nothing
Melbourne B - traded up to get two top 10 picks in a strong draft
North Melb C - added experience at the expense of later picks, paid overs for Daniel, and not sure if having cooked guys like Darling actually helps
Port D - folded on Houston despite talking tough, paid fair value for Lukosius after he was shaping up as a salary dump and is now saddled with Atkins
Richmond A+ - got massive overs for Rioli, got massive overs for Baker and got a great return for Bolton
St Kilda A - first round compensation secured for Battle which is massive overs, and traded in Macrae who is handy for peanuts
Sydney C - basically did nothing
West Coast F - got destroyed at the trade table in both the Barrass and Baker deals, ended up without pick 3 in a rebuild
W Bulldogs D+ - got rolled in the Bailey Smith deal, but did get overs for Daniel. Their squad got worse
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Injuries can happen anywhere on the field but I think RT would be more impacted by a ruck role
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Good, except GWS -2. Haynes doesn't really count.
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Yeah, not too dissimilar except...
Gold Coast B- as they rebalanced their list & salary dumped 2 players without doing a Bowes.
Melbourne C meh
St Kilda B thanks to FA
West Coast D- Did OK on Barrass trade, but should never have given up #3 for Baker.
Absolutely correct.
But, even considering all things going In our favour, we will have a choice between Welsh and a (as yet unknown) kid available at pick 48.
Makes Welah pretty attractive . . .
. . . unless we really don't think he'll make it.
Edit: pick 63 will likely become something like 53, not 48 (but who knows?)
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Sorry just received an email from Matthew Nicks. I will summarise.
Hi Bigfooty,
While I am ecstatic you are happy with our recruiting this off season I request caution in assuming they are best 22. While results didnt go our way, Alex Neil Bullen, Isaac Cumming and James Peatling have to prove themselves. Nearly all of them will have to be surperior deep defenders in pre season just to even be considered for selection. This team also has 23 of the best footballers you will ever see and I still found ways to include Curtin, Dowling and Taylor when injuries occured. So I am unsure as to which footballers you expect to remove from out best 23 to fit those players in. I have a philosophy as to not rush our shiny new toys. I am sure they will play some games but only in emergencies.
Yours sincerely
Matthew Nicks
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Going to have to disagree.
There is no way a ruck makes us a 3 goal per game better team. While TT forward probably can (2 of his own + at least 1 crumbing goal).
you missed murphy replacement dawson captain
Your cynicism/ mail is completely justified. But our 3 trades provide right now improvements. They will play. The only issue is whether they replace Murphy, Smith and Berry, or Curtin, Bond and Edwards/Ryan.
I'll leave it to your imagination as to how this will play out.
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He's just wanting to tell the media as little as possible... which is a good strategy.
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Early adopter of the mullet too. Or was he a laggard from the last iteration?
Hopefully Tyler has a better barber
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Might be poorly worded but I feel he shouldnt ruck as his type of injury is aggravated more by rucking
He’ll give us an A+ if we draft Casey Voss at 4
If Nicks approaches the season with a finals or bust style attitude like he had midway through 2023 he will keep Curtin, Dowling, Bond and Taylor out of the team as much as possible in favour of senior players. I do suspect that this is how it will play out pending injuries of course. Nicks is at risk of being moved on at the end of the year if his results dont improve. So i do certainly expect an all out assault on finals.
Great work Reidy.
Hard to see him not accepting Pies promotion for the games biggest club though unfortunately A no-excuses year is looming for Adelaide on the back of its strong off-season.
First, the Crows appointed their inaugural coaching director, Brisbane premiership assistant Murray Davis, to beef-up the support team around Matthew Nicks.
Now Adelaide has ended the trade period with three additions who immediately improve its list.
And it has done so while managing to keep a prized pick, No. 4, in what recruiters consider a really strong national draft.
Melbourne’s Alex Neal-Bullen and GWS duo Isaac Cumming and James Peatling are all between 24 and 28 years old, and should be first-choice players.
The fact they have finals experience is a bonus for a team that is without any since 2017.
Neal-Bullen, 28, will become the only premiership winner in the Crows’ squad.
James Peatling is on his way to Adelaide. Picture: Getty Images
Cumming, 26, has played in semi-finals in three of the past four seasons, as well as a preliminary final last year.
Peatling, 24, capped a breakout campaign by booting two goals in the Giants’ semi-final defeat to eventual premier Brisbane.
Adelaide wanted recruits who had featured in September to help a squad that in 2024 was the fifth-youngest in the league and had played the fourth-fewest total games.
The Crows have often mentioned the youth and inexperience of their list as the losses have piled up during a rebuild that began in Nicks’s first year at the helm, in 2020.
There is a fine line between context and excuses.
Adelaide’s rebuild has been deliberately measured.
Neal-Bullen is the oldest player to join the Crows since it brought in 31-year-old North Melbourne wingman Sam Gibson at the end of 2017 off the back of its grand final loss.
Cumming and fringe forward Chris Burgess, who was 27 when he joined 12 months ago, have been the only recruits older than 24 since the rebuild started.
Bringing in three in one hit says a lot about the club’s ambition for 2025.
The Crows feel they can bounce back from this year’s disappointment and mix it with the best sides.
Nicks has two more years left on an extension he signed in March but you suspect he needs to make the top eight next season to be there beyond that.
No coach in the AFL era (since 1991) has missed the finals in each of his first six years at a club and been given a seventh.
After conceding it may have been “underdone” in the coaches box, Adelaide has now given Nicks and his team the tools it needs to take that next step.
In 2023, the club cited three umpiring blunders late in games as context – some might say excuses – for why the Crows fell a win-and-a-half short of finals, finishing 10th.
This year, it was a lengthy injury list and suspension.
Having a string of key players sidelined exposed a lack of depth but that should not be an issue next season thanks to the recruits and the club’s youngsters getting closer to their primes.
Adelaide list manager Justin Reid had a terrific trade period.
His record over the past decade has been heavily scrutinised this year as the Crows slumped to a 15th-placed finish, well short of expectations.
But convincing Cumming to pick Adelaide instead of Port and winning a wide race for Peatling were coups, on top of adding the underrated Neal-Bullen.
Whether Reid is at West Lakes next season to enjoy what his latest haul produces remains to be seen, given he has been linked to the role as Collingwood’s football boss.
Winners and losers: We rank each AFL club’s trade period, and it’s not as easy as A, B or C-
We rate every club’s player movement window – and rank the teams from best to worst – as the draft picture takes shape.
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Winners and losers: We rank each AFL club’s trade period, and it’s not as easy as A, B or C-
We have graded every club’s performance – and ranked them from one to 18 – through the free agency and trade period to find the real winners and losers.
That process is hardly straightforward, given the different spots the sides occupy in the premiership race and just how much things can change once next season starts. Here are our best- and worst-performed teams in this year’s player movement window ..
1 Blues
This was an aggressive trade period from the Blues, who reshaped their list to make it more dynamic, freed up some salary cap space and gathered draft points to match bids on father-son twins Ben and Lucas Camporeale. They shocked the football world by convincing Hawthorn to part with pick 14 for future first- and second-rounder, which gave Carlton picks 12 and 14. They then packaged those with out-of-contract forward Owies and nabbed the Eagles’ prized pick three, putting them squarely in the frame for highly rated midfielder Finn O’Sullivan. The Blues met with Dan Houston but always felt Collingwood were in a stronger position in that race. They also offloaded contracted midfielder Kennedy for pick 38, while retaining swingman Brodie Kemp after the Saints showed interest.
2 Cats (bunch of complete pricks)
After hosting disgruntled Demon Clayton Oliver at Rhys Stanley’s farm just outside Geelong, the Cats made it clear they were prepared to nab Oliver only on their terms before Melbourne shut them down. They stuck firm with their offer of pick 17 for out-of-contract Bulldog Bailey Smith, while eventually adding 38 to sweeten the deal – but also nabbed 45 – amid their willingness to walk him to the national draft. That said, list boss Andrew Mackie denied ever threatening counterpart Sam Power that he would do that. This was another great fortnight for Geelong, who just keep finding ways to regenerate on the run. The Cats will also land Jack Martin as a delisted free agent to wrap up a tidy trade period.
3 GC
4 Horks
5 Freo
6 Kamgas - are they for real? Darling, Parker, some unknown other Swan and Daniel for 25..
7. Adelaide - don’t tell me we ain’t better than at least Horks, Freo and Kangas based on players IN and what trade value was given up to obtain. eg Freo get one good player obtained but pay 10, 11 and 18 (with 14 coming back)
In: Isaac Cumming (GWS Giants/free agency), Alex Neal-Bullen (Melbourne/trade), James Peatling (GWS/trade) and future third-rounders (tied to Melbourne and GWS Giants) and a fourth-rounder (tied to GWS Giants)
Out: Elliott Himmelberg (Gold Coast/free agency), picks 28 and 46 and a future second-rounder
Draft picks: 4, 64
Trade grade: B+
Alex Neal-Bullen’s leadership will be a real asset at the Crows.CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
The Crows promised all year to be aggressive players in the trade market and targeted several players, eventually landing Cumming as a free agent, while also benefiting from Neal-Bullen’s wish to return to Adelaide for personal reasons. They knocked that trade over on day one for pick 28, then spent the remaining time haggling over Peatling. Peatling was a coup as he was in high demand after a breakout second half of the season, and they eventually gave the Giants a future second-round pick for the uncontracted midfielder, while getting two later 2025 selections back. They had a dip at the Suns’ Jack Lukosius, but he instead chose Port Adelaide to play alongside close friend Connor Rozee.
13 Port Power (seems generous)
In: Rory Atkins (Gold Coast/trade), Jack Lukosius (Gold Coast/trade), Joe Richards (Collingwood/trade), picks 13, 29, 36, 50
Out: Dan Houston (Collingwood/trade), picks 39 and 58, a future first-rounder
Draft picks: 13, 29, 36, 50
Trade grade: B-
They copped more criticism than was warranted when they eventually finalised a deal on the penultimate day of the trade period, where they gained Suns pair Lukosius and Atkins, Collingwood’s Richards, and picks 13, 29, 36 and 50, while losing Houston and a future first-round pick. Once they agreed to let Houston go – despite four years remaining on his contract – they were up against it, particularly once the dual All-Australian cooled on joining the Demons. There is no doubt they wanted a better return for Houston – ideally two first-round picks – but it was impossible. However, with Lukosius and pick 13, they could improve, even with the loss of the star defender. Ruckman Ivan Soldo wanted to play for St Kilda, but the Saints opted against recruiting him after his medical.
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