List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[maxlilly]

It shouldn't even be up for debate. He has earned an extension imo.

He is clearly better than Burgess

 

[Mostyn]

Haha, I got the big thumbs down from old mate Sanders when I suggested a while back Luke Parker was on the outer and might be worth a look?

I don't mind the idea of Parker. I think I prefer that to Yeo, though he maybe has less left in the tank?

 

[Vader]

OUR WEAKEST BLOCK OF GAMES AND WE BOTTLED IT

Our weakest block of games, and we had the weakest team we've had in years to select from.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Does anyone here actually think that we are one or two experienced players away from making a deep finals run?
It seems like our leaders think so - it's the only explanation as to why we are (reportedly) looking at players like Yeo or Parker.

Personally I think that if any of our list management team truly believe that these are the players we need, then they need to be sacked on the spot. Utter delusion. All adding Parker or Yeo would do is keep us mid table and permanently halt any chance the rebuild had of being successful. Neither player would be there when our current squad peaks, and what they would do is completely halt any chance of developing a finals level midfield.

Are we really that delusional?

The issue is you look through our leadership group and it's Dawson and donuts

We bemoan our development and ask why Pedlar, Rachele, Jones, Thilthorpe, Schoenberg etc haven't come on as expected/hoped.

One of the reasons imho is we don't have the quality cultural architects in place, driving others to improve, setting standards.

All our older guys and leadership group members Laird, ROB, Keays, Crouch, Hinge, Smith, Fogarty, Murphy, Milera, Himmelberg just seem to go about their business. They don't impact the group outside of their own individual output (or lack thereof).

 

[Crow till I die]

He is clearly better than Burgess

And younger

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Does Borlase get a new contract for next year with the improvement and flexibility he has shown this year ?

One of very few players who has shown improvement this season

 

[Scorpus]

Our weakest block of games, and we had the weakest team we've had in years to select from.

This is the team that was down by 8 goals against Hawthorn mid way through the third quarter, a side we made zero changes to that week



We were missing like three or four players

 

[Vader]

I think its too simplistic to blame injuries alone... Rankine and Worrell IMO have been the biggest outs and have hurt us. Walker hasn't been the same this year, granted he's still good for a few goals and takes a good opponent but he hasn't ripped a game to shreds this year.

You may note that I've repeatedly noted the game plan as one of our key problems.

Biggest issue is coaching, gameplan, poor drafting, poor development and a mentally weak culture thats been ingrained in for years.

I'm still not convinced that our problems have been draft related - I'm 90% certain that it's shithouse development, with Godden's incompetence ruining the careers of many of our youngsters.

You may have a valid point about mental weakness, given our consistent inability to get over the line in close games - a problem which was evident in 2022 and has only gotten worse since then.

 

[Vader]

This is the team that was down by 8 goals against Hawthorn mid way through the third quarter, a side we made zero changes to that week

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We were missing like three or four players

Walker & Crouch were injured before quarter time. Missing Rankine, Himmelberg, and Worrell from the teams which pushed the good teams earlier in the season.

That's a sizeable chunk of the team who were either walking wounded, or MIA completely.

 

[Vader]

He is clearly better than Burgess

It would be nice if his kicking was better than ROBs. Seriously... any of his shots on goal that land in the same postcode as the goal posts are considered "lucky shots".

... but he's definitely better at presenting and marking than Burgess, and had more overall impact (other than the scoreboard).

 

[jackster83]

The issue is you look through our leadership group and it's Dawson and donuts

We bemoan our development and ask why Pedlar, Rachele, Jones, Thilthorpe, Schoenberg etc haven't come on as expected/hoped.

One of the reasons imho is we don't have the quality cultural architects in place, driving others to improve, setting standards.

All our older guys and leadership group members Laird, ROB, Keays, Crouch, Hinge, Smith, Fogarty, Murphy, Milera, Himmelberg just seem to go about their business. They don't impact the group outside of their own individual output (or lack thereof).

It shows when Tex isn't playing. We are almost at North Melbourne levels when he isn't out there.

 

[Captain Furious]

Does anyone here actually think that we are one or two experienced players away from making a deep finals run?
It seems like our leaders think so - it's the only explanation as to why we are (reportedly) looking at players like Yeo or Parker.

Personally I think that if any of our list management team truly believe that these are the players we need, then they need to be sacked on the spot. Utter delusion. All adding Parker or Yeo would do is keep us mid table and permanently halt any chance the rebuild had of being successful. Neither player would be there when our current squad peaks, and what they would do is completely halt any chance of developing a finals level midfield.

Are we really that delusional?

Not at all the point. Not looking for Parker to be a top up player, football can turn pretty fast but doubt we’re winning a flag before he retires (and never mentioned Yeo, don't think he suits this role). He's a premiership player, All Australian, 3 x B&F, club captain and part of a power club who missed the finals just twice in his 13 seasons(!). The one thing the Swans have always hung their hat on is powerful midfields who win the ball and spread with dynamism. I want us to tap into all of that.

Dawson, Rankine and Laird didn't play as mids until later in their career. If we're looking to develop them plus Soligo, Rachele, MM - who's teaching them? F***ing Van Berlo? There's no one involved in our entire playing and coaching set up who is or has been an elite mid. The only pure mid we have is Crouch who had to go back and learn how to play midfield in the modern game - and has since fallen back into see ball, get ball, sideways, backwards game and is a liability when the opposition has the ball.

I look at the role Pendelbury plays at Collingwood, how he controls the tone of play and organizes them. Not a coincidence they win just about every close game. Think Parker can play that role for us. If he played 2 years, he'd still only be 33 when he retires, still feel he has a lot of good football left in him.

 

[Mostyn]

Now take off the rose coloured glasses and have a good look at who we have actually beaten in the last 12 months...You know, even with our good plan and fit team. Check it.

We ARE light years away. Do you really think we can compete with Sydney when our fully fit midfield has Crouch and Laird in it? Those two won't be able to get within 100 m of Warner and Heeney once they take off.

It's not as bad as that and it's not as good as it looked at times last year.

The difference between us and top for sides this year (besides Sydney) isn't massive. It just feels like it.

 

[GreyCrow]

Our weakest block of games, and we had the weakest team we've had in years to select from.

We should be good enough to beat them with our injuries if we are good enough to match Sydney and Collingwood

 

[Mostyn]

The problem with the 'AFL' competition is that you only need to be 5 - 10% 'off' and its the difference between challenging for finals or bottom 4.

I think that's very true.

It takes very little to suddenly surprise - either by being better than expected, or way worse.

 

[Vader]

It shows when Tex isn't playing. We are almost at North Melbourne levels when he isn't out there.

It's not just Tex who is/was missing from our recent teams.

 

[Mostyn]

Our best is good enough to get close but lose. Consistently.

Until it's slightly better.

It just needs to GET better.

 

[Vader]

We should be good enough to beat them with our injuries if we are good enough to match Sydney and Collingwood

We're not good enough to match the 2024 Sydney team - something I have stated repeatedly.

We were very close to matching Collingwood only a few weeks ago, before the recent glut of injuries hit.

 

[Mostyn]

I think its too simplistic to blame injuries alone... Rankine and Worrell IMO have been the biggest outs and have hurt us. Walker hasn't been the same this year, granted he's still good for a few goals and takes a good opponent but he hasn't ripped a game to shreds this year.

Biggest issue is coaching, gameplan, poor drafting, poor development and a mentally weak culture thats been ingrained in for years.

It is too simplistic, absolutely.

There's list issues, and coaching issues.

But it's not a disaster. It's an opportunity.

 

[GreyCrow]

We're not good enough to match the 2024 Sydney team - something I have stated repeatedly.

We were very close to matching Collingwood only a few weeks ago, before the recent glut of injuries hit.

Did you tip us to win the last 3 games?

 

[Mostyn]

Did you tip us to win the last 3 games?

I tipped Richmond.

I thought our injury list was crippling and they had Taranto and others coming back. Their injury list was wildly overrated, and ours was starting to bite.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

There's always fake improvement

When an average team nearly topples (or does topple) a top team, you take solace and think you're not far away.

In reality the good team has largely phoned it in, done just enough to get the points and are a mile away from their big game intensity.

They are living the "it's a marathon, not a sprint" mantra and we get them in cruise mode when they're saving themselves for more important battles.

 

[jackster83]

There's always fake improvement

When an average team nearly topples (or does topple) a top team, you take solace and think you're not far away.

In reality the good team has largely phoned it in, done just enough to get the points and are a mile away from their big game intensity.

They are living the "it's a marathon, not a sprint" mantra and we get them in cruise mode when they're saving themselves for more important battles.

The worrying thing is the club uses these results as an excuse not to make changes.

The reality is even if you win the flag you need to be looking to improve/refresh or you'll start going backwards. Players get older or drop away and gameplans get worked out.

Our club has a history of being all too eager to embrace the status quo.

 

[Mutineer]

I don't mind the idea of Parker. I think I prefer that to Yeo, though he maybe has less left in the tank?

Stil lcarving up the VFL which is a fair bit higher standard than the SANFL.

 

[Doctor B]

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