List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[GreyCrow]

I think what last night showed more than anything is that our list management has some critical decisions to make.

Tex? Feels like he should play on and be well managed, but if the back is stuffed then don’t want another Rory contract.

What do we do if Crouch, Laird, Berry, Soligo, Dawson and Taylor are all fit?
You can’t have Crouch, Laird and Berry in same midfield. Taylor is also a similar type. Must have some more variety.
Trade Berry? Then what? Still stuck with Crouch Laird and Taylor.
For me, I’d trade Laird. He would have some reasonable currency and we would be cashing out before the inevitable cliff.

Key defenders another key decision point. If Murray is gone it might change things, but do we need all of them on the list?

I agree with the premise but Laird wont be going anywhere - which is why I named Crouch as the seeya player

 

[1990crow]

I agree with the premise but Laird wont be going anywhere - which is why I named Crouch as the seeya player

Both probably shouldn't be best 22 if we are serious.
But if we have to play one I choose Crouch.

 

[El Doederino]

Laird won’t have any trade currency. He’s similar to Taylor Adams

3

Taylor Adams

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.9

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.4

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.9

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

18.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

and same age. Adams went for pick 33 last years. Laird with an extra year wouldn’t get a pick that high.

 

[DJ75]

I agree with the premise but Laird wont be going anywhere - which is why I named Crouch as the seeya player

One of them should go. I think we get more back and lose less by moving on Laird.

 

[Crow till I die]

One of them should go. I think we get more back and lose less by moving on Laird.

Thinking of which clubs could use his skills the most, West Coast come to mind but not as a mid, off half back as an accumulator like he used to do for us prior to moving into the middle. He might offer them some run out of the back half to help their rebuild too

 

[Mostyn]

TRADED or FREE AGENT
Elliot Himmelberg - free agent GWS
ROB - traded to Victoria
Ned McHenry

25

Ned Mchenry

Age

24

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

- trade/delist

RETIRED
Rory Sloane

9

Rory Sloane

Age

34

Ht

183cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

11.9

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

6.6

5star

CL

5.7

5star

D

15.3

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

8.0

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.3

4star

CL

4.2

5star

D

22.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

13.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

6.0

5star

CL

4.6

5star

DELISTED
Lachlan Gollant
[Patrick Parnell (R)]

MOVES TO ROOKIE LIST
Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

32

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

ARRIVALS
Tim English
Isaac Cumming

13

Isaac Cumming

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

MG

158.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

158.0

3star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.6

4star

Caleb Daniel

35

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

Two top 25 picks
Tyler Welsh - scraps from draft

 

[Viva la Mattner]

TRADED or FREE AGENT
Elliot Himmelberg - free agent GWS
ROB - traded to Victoria
Ned McHenry - trade/delist

RETIRED
Rory Sloane

DELISTED
Lachlan Gollant
[Patrick Parnell (R)]

MOVES TO ROOKIE LIST
Brodie Smith

ARRIVALS
Tim English
Isaac Cumming
Caleb Daniel
Two top 25 picks
Tyler Welsh - scraps from draft

I think we’ll be stuck with ROB next year and then he’ll leave when out of contract

If we really pushed to get into this draft more using future picks we can get 3 picks in before Welsh
Hopefully the NGA rule isn’t as of this year although likely is , means we can’t get Barnet or Champion

If we can see come August we’d miss out on these 2 , I wouldn’t be against throwing a 2nd rounder and a sweetener to Carlton for Jesse Motlop

 

[maxlilly]

Surely we can't have 1.6 million tied up in two lead rucks?

We've had so many bad list decisions, surely we can spend our war chest on getting a decent ruckman. Who cares if we are paying for two ruckman for a year or two

 

[1970crow]

I like it. But AFL will unfairly give Saints Pick 5 for Josh Battle and screw us.

It's not the AFL, it's the contract he's offered and Saints finishing position that determines the pick. At least for a couple of the bands.

 

[1970crow]

I think what last night showed more than anything is that our list management has some critical decisions to make.

Tex? Feels like he should play on and be well managed, but if the back is stuffed then don’t want another Rory contract.

What do we do if Crouch, Laird, Berry, Soligo, Dawson and Taylor are all fit?
You can’t have Crouch, Laird and Berry in same midfield. Taylor is also a similar type. Must have some more variety.
Trade Berry? Then what? Still stuck with Crouch Laird and Taylor.
For me, I’d trade Laird. He would have some reasonable currency and we would be cashing out before the inevitable cliff.

Key defenders another key decision point. If Murray is gone it might change things, but do we need all of them on the list?

I'd be telling both Laird and Crouch that they'll play out their contracts in the SANFL. We don't need either. The other 2 are not as prolific, but there impact is much better and they're still capable of improving much more.

 

[fuic08]

It's not the AFL, it's the contract he's offered and Saints finishing position that determines the pick. At least for a couple of the bands.

Hasn't the AFL changed the rules and made contract length count for compensation for the first time though.

 

[1970crow]

Hasn't the AFL changed the rules and made contract length count for compensation for the first time though.

Was definitely mentioned, not sure if it's been implemented. Either way, it's still the contract determining the band. Age plays a role too.

 

[Soggy2112]

We've had so many bad list decisions, surely we can spend our war chest on getting a decent ruckman. Who cares if we are paying for two ruckman for a year or two

So because we’ve made some bad decisions, why not make another one!

 

[1970crow]

We've had so many bad list decisions, surely we can spend our war chest on getting a decent ruckman. Who cares if we are paying for two ruckman for a year or two

ROB’s remaining contract should be significantly paid down. Him and Laird should have been frontloaded to buggery.

 

[maxlilly]

So because we’ve made some bad decisions, why not make another one!

It's clear as day, ROB isn't any good.
Lets stick with a crap ruckman. How stupid is that thinking ?
It's a good decision to get a better quality ruckman.

 

[maxlilly]

ROB’s remaining contract should be significantly paid down. Him and Laird should have been frontloaded to buggery.

You would hope so.
It's not as if we have a heap of players commanding huge salaries at the moment

 

[DJ75]

Was definitely mentioned, not sure if it's been implemented. Either way, it's still the contract determining the band. Age plays a role too.

None of it matters as much as what outcome the VFL want.

 

[1970crow]

You would hope so.
It's not as if we have a heap of players commanding huge salaries at the moment

There’s no way we can have been meeting the 95% minimum the last 3-4 years without retiring large amounts of future liability.

 

[1970crow]

None of it matters as much as what outcome the VFL want.

Which lodged contract has provided a crazy band outcome?

 

[Soggy2112]

It's clear as day, ROB isn't any good.
Lets stick with a crap ruckman. How stupid is that thinking ?
It's a good decision to get a better quality ruckman.

Spending big $$$ to get a ruck is not a good decision.

I agree, we should look for a different ruck option, but that doesn’t mean we have to spend up big to get English.

 

[ABAB]

It's clear as day, ROB isn't any good.
Lets stick with a crap ruckman. How stupid is that thinking ?
It's a good decision to get a better quality ruckman.

The 2020 ROB was very good, consistent strong contested marks in defense with very good endurance to get to a lot of contest.

 

[Soggy2112]

The 2020 ROB was very good, consistent strong contested marks in defense with very good endurance to get to a lot of contest.

He’s been very solid, but this year the marking has deserted him which makes him a liability at times. I’m hopeful he can get back to that but I still think we should look for a replacement.

However, spending big $$ on English isn’t the answer. We’ve seen with the Hawks with Meek, GWS with Briggs, North with Xerri, Sydney with Grundy.

Ruck as a position is not that important and you shouldn’t be spending large chunks of your cap there.

 

[Mutineer]

Spending big $$$ to get a ruck is not a good decision.

I agree, we should look for a different ruck option, but that doesn’t mean we have to spend up big to get English.

Correct to make a ruckman your highest paid player is ridiculous IMO which is what English would become if he was to come here

 

[maxlilly]

Spending big $$$ to get a ruck is not a good decision.

I agree, we should look for a different ruck option, but that doesn’t mean we have to spend up big to get English.

Because we haven't drafted a ruckman for 10 years, we don't have a lot options.
We have saved heaps in the last 10 years for what we have paid on ruckman, I think it's ok to pull the band aid off and spend some of our plentiful dollars on trying to improve the team now.
ROB only has another year left on his contract.
I would have been happy for the club to have a decent crack at getting Ned Moyle, but we didn't do that either.

 

[maxlilly]

Correct to make a ruckman your highest paid player is ridiculous IMO which is what English would become if he was to come here

No one is saying make English our highest paid player