List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[GreyCrow]

So a player contracted for 2 more years

A player being pushed out by the current coach

And we're the ones who have to pony up?

Give me a break

 

[Danger in Texas]

Is that backwards?
Out - F1, 25
In - Luko, 13

Yes it is, my bad lol

 

[1990crow]

Is that backwards?
Out - F1, 25
In - Luko, 13

I'd do this deal.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I'd do this deal.

I'd say no if it was 20 instead of 13

Dunno if the club would, but that small an upgrade wouldn't be worth it from my POV

 

[GreyCrow]

Is that 4 , 13 this year?

Thats borderline Draper/Lalor and Dodson territory

 

[Mostyn]

Depth Chart, currently. I though this was interesting to see what our depth actually looks like.

TALL DEFENDER
Nick Murray
Josh Worrell
Mark Keane
Jordon Butts
James Borlase

MIDSIZED DEFENDERS
Max Michalanney
Rory Laird

29

Rory Laird

Age

30

Ht

177cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.4

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

12.5

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.3

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

19.6

5star

K

10.9

4star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

Mitch Hinge
Dan Curtin
Luke Nankervis
Wayne Milera

30

Wayne Milera

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.9

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

265.3

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

282.0

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

182.0

3star

Hugh Bond
Chayce Jones

1

Chayce Jones

Age

24

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.9

4star

MG

178.6

3star

D

8.9

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

3star

MG

143.3

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

175.0

3star

Oscar Ryan
Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

32

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

Will Hamill

17

Will Hamill

Age

23

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

3star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

135.2

3star

Patrick Parnell

MIDFIELDERS
Jordan Dawson

12

Jordan Dawson

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

15.7

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

4.9

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.6

3star

Izak Rankine

23

Izak Rankine

Age

24

Ht

181cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

5star

G

2.0

5star

Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

Jake Soligo
Lachlan Sholl
Sam Berry
Zac Taylor
Billy Dowling
Charlie Edwards
Harry Schoenberg

MIDSIZED FORWARD
Ben Keays

2

Ben Keays

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

13.7

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.7

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

Josh Rachele
Lachlan Murphy

4

Lachlan Murphy

Age

25

Ht

174cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

G

1.0

4star

Luke Pedlar
Brayden Cook
Ned McHenry

25

Ned Mchenry

Age

24

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

TALL FORWARD
Riley Thilthorpe
Darcy Fogarty

32

Darcy Fogarty

Age

25

Ht

194cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

Taylor Walker

13

Taylor Walker

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

Toby Murray
Chris Burgess

21

Chris Burgess

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.2

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.4

3star

Lachlan Gollant
Elliott Himmelberg

34

Elliott Himmelberg

Age

26

Ht

199cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.0

1star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

RUCKMAN
Kieran Strachan
Reilly O’Brien

 

[1990crow]

Is that 4 , 13 this year?

Thats borderline Draper/Lalor and Dodson territory

Exactly

 

[1990crow]

I'd say no if it was 20 instead of 13

Dunno if the club would, but that small an upgrade wouldn't be worth it from my POV

I wouldn't do it for 20.

 

[Mostyn]

Is that backwards?
Out - F1, 25
In - Luko, 13

This is the deal I like the most.

 

[GreyCrow]

I wouldn't do it for 20.

Its why I said 13 was borderline for Dodson ( but I would) because I think 20 might be too late

 

[DJ75]

So a player contracted for 2 more years

A player being pushed out by the current coach

And we're the ones who have to pony up?

Give me a break

Of course we do. We aren't a Victorian club, so GC weren't set up to feed us players.

 

[Mostyn]

Its why I said 13 was borderline for Dodson ( but I would) because I think 20 might be too late

Seems unlikely that Dodson goes before 20.

 

[DJ75]

I think it'll be gone in a Luko deal. I'm not really happy about that, but it gives us more talent in our squad while Dawson/Fog/Hinge/Keays etc are all still going strong

Hoping out for F1 + 13 for Luko + 25

That would be a disgusting trade.

We should not be giving up a F1. We still have Nicks as coach, so there is every chance that pick could net the gun mid from Centrals.
None of our first round picks should even be entertained for Lukosious. GC need him gone, more than we need him.

 

[GreyCrow]

Seems unlikely that Dodson goes before 20.

Possibly. Twomey has him at 22 and rated as the best ruck in the draft

With clubs looking for a genuine 10 year ruck option clubs might reach for him earlier than 22

It was a monster effort from Dodson two weeks ago that further shone a spotlight on his talents as a big, roaming, roving ruckman. The talented basketballer had 32 disposals, 34 hitouts, 10 clearances and four inside-50s against Woodville-West Torrens in a dominant display that followed his selection as the under-18 All-Australian ruckman. Dodson has elevated himself into the position as the No.1 ruckman in the pool.

 

[Redline]

Is that backwards?
Out - F1, 25
In - Luko, 13

You can only assess this deal based on where you think we will finish in 2025. If you think we will finish bottom 6 this is bad deal.

 

[Scorpus]

Is that backwards?
Out - F1, 25
In - Luko, 13

I don't like the idea of trading our future first when Nicks is still coach. Anything could happen, including another bottom 4 finish, and Lukosius absolutely is not worth a top 4 pick regardless of what we get back

 

[1970crow]

Suspect that the trade has been agreed between the clubs, which is why ANB has officially nominated us (as opposed to saying nothing until everything is agreed). Would not be surprised if Berg is part of it

Berg is an unrestricted free agent

 

[1970crow]

Sadly I think Cumming's out of the running. Which is a shame as I think he'd improve our side a lot

I think Luko and ANB will happen, not sure of the potential cost though

Gut feel is that Suns' current view on value is that he's a former pick 2 that's played a heap of games and is in the prime of his career. They probably want our future first plus steak knives.

 

[1970crow]

100% correct. Pretty much any draftee we get this year - or next - is impacting 3 years down the track. We don’t have that time to wait.
I suspect we use 4 because there isn’t a trade worthy of it - but wouldn’t surprise if the future first is ontraded


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Why don't we have 3 years to wait? You reckon we've got some sort of window opening over the next 2 years?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Gut feel is that Suns' current view on value is that he's a former pick 2 that's played a heap of games and is in the prime of his career. They probably want our future first plus steak knives.

Luko won’t request a trade if he doesn’t think a deal can get done, I guess, so I assume that if he remains silent (which is still very possible at this point), it’s because they’ll be asking for the price you say

 

[WeeBlake]

I wonder if Suns are hoping a bid for Lombard comes after 13, it could happen?

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I don't like the idea of trading our future first when Nicks is still coach. Anything could happen, including another bottom 4 finish, and Lukosius absolutely is not worth a top 4 pick regardless of what we get back

With Nicks coaching a low finish is a real possibility next season. F1 needs something big coming back.

 

[WeeBlake]

Depth Chart, currently. I though this was interesting to see what our depth actually looks like.

TALL DEFENDER
Nick Murray
Josh Worrell
Mark Keane
Jordon Butts
James Borlase

MIDSIZED DEFENDERS
Max Michalanney
Rory Laird
Mitch Hinge
Dan Curtin
Luke Nankervis
Wayne Milera
Hugh Bond
Chayce Jones
Oscar Ryan
Brodie Smith
Will Hamill
Patrick Parnell

MIDFIELDERS
Jordan Dawson
Izak Rankine
Matt Crouch
Jake Soligo
Lachlan Sholl
Sam Berry
Zac Taylor
Billy Dowling
Charlie Edwards
Harry Schoenberg

MIDSIZED FORWARD
Ben Keays
Josh Rachele
Lachlan Murphy
Luke Pedlar
Brayden Cook
Ned McHenry

TALL FORWARD
Riley Thilthorpe
Darcy Fogarty
Taylor Walker
Toby Murray
Chris Burgess
Lachlan Gollant
Elliott Himmelberg

RUCKMAN
Kieran Strachan
Reilly O’Brien

Is there a rule for these things that you only put a player in one position. I think it gives a better picture of depth if you list a player in each position they can realistically play if needed.

So Rankine, Keays, Rachele, Pedlar are all listed as midsized forwards and mids. Dawson and Laird as midsized defender and mid. TT as tall forward and ruck etc etc

 

[Scorpus]

With Nicks coaching a low finish is a real possibility next season. F1 needs something big coming back.

It's a crapshoot really. Could finish anywhere from bottom 4 to finals. I think the risk of it being a really good pick is quite high

 

[WeeBlake]

With Nicks coaching a low finish is a real possibility next season. F1 needs something big coming back.

13 and Luko is not huge, but it’s definitely something to think about