List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Scorpus]

rebel Coaches MVP Award – Smithy’s VFL Round 1

Five perfect games to start 2024 campaign

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Gold Coast Suns 7.11 (53) def by Richmond 11.10 (76)
9 Kane McAuliffe (RIC)
9 Sam Naismith (RIC)
4 James Tsitas (GCS)
3 Tyler Sonsie (RIC)
2 Austin Johnson (RIC)
2 Sean Lemmens (GCS)
1 Chad Harris (RIC)

Are there coaches votes for SANFL matches?

 

[King Elvis]

What did Carlton pay for Hollands?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What did Carlton pay for Hollands?

Legal fees.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Should be Walker's last year.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Potentially have a top 4 pick coming our way
Draper in will be big for the midfield

 

[Peter Doherty]

Potentially have a top 4 pick coming our way
Draper in will be big for the midfield

Respectfully, Draper would be a drop in the ****ing ocean right now.

 

[Scorpus]

Potentially have a top 4 pick coming our way
Draper in will be big for the midfield

I love how you think we'll draft a midfielder with it

 

[FR0GGY]

Hamish has to go, even if he’d done a fantastic job, it’s time for a different voice.
How we have not drafted a full time top tier mid in 10 odd years is untenable.
Just go

 

[Peter Doherty]

The Laird contract until end of '26 is worse than the Nicks contract. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a pay out clause (even though they don't deserve it).

We know from the Crouch experience that no one will take him off our hands, no pay out there. What a mess.

 

[Scorpus]

The Laird contract until end of '26 is worse than the Nicks contract. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a pay out clause (even though they don't deserve it).

We know from the Crouch experience that no one will take him off our hands, no pay out there. What a mess.

We gave him a five year contract off the back of half a season in the midfield

 

[Dangerousfield]

What did Carlton pay for Hollands?

Pick 33 and a future third which will be late 50's

 

[Scorpus]

If there's any interest in Ben Keays

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Ben Keays

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

13.7

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.7

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

as a free agent I'd let him walk and bank the possible compensation pick

 

[huludicidal]

If there's any interest in Ben Keays as a free agent I'd let him walk and bank the possible compensation pick

There isn’t.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

We have 15 players OOC this year:

Keays
Cook
Smith
Burgess
Himmelberg
Bond
Borlase
Gollant
Sholl
McHenry
Parnell
Sloane
Berry
Walker
Hamill

Walker, Smith and Sloane will all likely retire.

Maybe hold on to Borlase due to lack of KPD options and Burgess as insurance over Himmelberg (he has been our best forward so far after all even though that's an exceptionally low bar).

Gollant and Cook need to pull their fingers out, it's now or never for them.

Bond needs to show more if we're going to justify keeping him too.

The rest are trade/FA/delist material.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We have 15 players OOC this year:

Keays
Cook
Smith
Burgess
Himmelberg
Bond
Borlase
Gollant
Sholl
McHenry
Parnell
Sloane
Berry
Walker
Hamill

Walker, Smith and Sloane will all likely retire.

Maybe hold on to Borlase due to lack of KPD options and Burgess as insurance over Himmelberg (he has been our best forward so far after all even though that's an exceptionally low bar).

Gollant and Cook need to pull their fingers out, it's now or never for them.

Bond needs to show more if we're going to justify keeping him too.

The rest are trade/FA/delist material.

Man, that’s such an uninspiring list of players (Walker included, if his form this year is anything to go by)

There is so much ‘meh’ currently on our list

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Man, that’s such an uninspiring list of players (Walker included, if his form this year is anything to go by)

There is so much ‘meh’ currently on our list

Very grim reading, there's five at most I would justify hanging on to, and three of those need big SANFL years, and the other two are KPP depth.

Of course, turning over that many players without adequate players isn't going to be a realistically scenario.

I hate to say it, but we're in deep trouble going forward. Hamish has royally ****ed up a number of picks, but the blowtorch also needs to go on our player development and list management now that it's gotten to this point.

 

[Peter Doherty]

We have 15 players OOC this year:

Keays
Cook
Smith
Burgess
Himmelberg
Bond
Borlase
Gollant
Sholl
McHenry
Parnell
Sloane
Berry
Walker
Hamill

Walker, Smith and Sloane will all likely retire.

Maybe hold on to Borlase due to lack of KPD options and Burgess as insurance over Himmelberg (he has been our best forward so far after all even though that's an exceptionally low bar).

Gollant and Cook need to pull their fingers out, it's now or never for them.

Bond needs to show more if we're going to justify keeping him too.

The rest are trade/FA/delist material.

Problem with making significant list changes without bringing in quality draft picks/players, means we replace those players with selections at the arse end of the draft, like the Power last year.

Big watch on Rachele.

 

[Redline]

We have 15 players OOC this year:

Keays
Cook
Smith
Burgess
Himmelberg
Bond
Borlase
Gollant
Sholl
McHenry
Parnell
Sloane
Berry
Walker
Hamill

Walker, Smith and Sloane will all likely retire.

Maybe hold on to Borlase due to lack of KPD options and Burgess as insurance over Himmelberg (he has been our best forward so far after all even though that's an exceptionally low bar).

Gollant and Cook need to pull their fingers out, it's now or never for them.

Bond needs to show more if we're going to justify keeping him too.

The rest are trade/FA/delist material.

That is an ordinary list. Realistically
Keys will get an extension

Burgess probably gets another year.

Tex and Sloane will retire. I think the club was banking on Smith getting another year but that can't happen at the moment

Hiimelberg (Might want a trade), Cook, Gollant, Borlase, Hamill, Bond, Parnell, Scholl, McHenry and Berry are competing for around four contracts between them. That's assuming no one else leaves.

Many said it at the time but we needed to cut harder at the end of 2023. Not a good position to be in to have ten or more players all but gone when we are still in March.

 

[George Kramer]

Potentially have a top 4 pick coming our way
Draper in will be big for the midfield

If we don’t give it up for Petty…

 

[George Kramer]

Problem with making significant list changes without bringing in quality draft picks/players, means we replace those players with selections at the arse end of the draft, like the Power last year.

Big watch on Rachele.

We have to hit free agents, problem is keep playing like this and who is going to want to come?

 

[triggyscrewedus]

If we don’t give it up for Petty…

He would be great but we need to wait until the year after when he's a free agent.
We are in desperate need of high end talent in the draft.. MIDFIELDERS.
The current list mess will take yrs to fix, we aren't competing for a flag any time soon we can wait a year for Petty.

 

[Scorpus]

We need to make 8-10 changes

Probably drafting 6-7 players across the main and rookie drafts with 3-4 trades and free agents

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Not sure if Tex will retire. I'd wait till mid way in the season to see about that.

At some point the club needs to remove the first round draft Pick label, and label some players failed first round picks.

Fog, Jones, mcHenry just don't have it at this level. Skills, desire, size, smarts. Each lacks at least one of these.

 

[maxlilly]

We have 15 players OOC this year:

Maybe hold on to Borlase due to lack of KPD options and Burgess as insurance over Himmelberg (he has been our best forward so far after all even though that's an exceptionally low bar).

Gollant and Cook need to pull their fingers out, it's now or never for them.

Bond needs to show more if we're going to justify keeping him too.

The rest are trade/FA/delist material.

With McAdam leaving, I was really hoping to see Nicks give Cook or Gollant a go in that Forward pocket position.
Instead we have gone another crappy midfielder into the team.
We need a medium forward up there

 

[Crow till I die]

With McAdam leaving, I was really hoping to see Nicks give Cook or Gollant a go in that Forward pocket position.
Instead we have gone another crappy midfielder into the team.
We need a medium forward up there

Lol, could you imagine cook trying to win his own ball when high dump kicks are floating down the line and he has his man and a big interceptor crashing him. Nah, until the entire game plan changes we would literally be doing the kid more harm now than good by putting him in that position