List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Vader]

Still think there’s a player in Cook but once again don’t see why we didn’t just offer the one year for list flexibility. Surely other clubs aren’t offering him two years.

What's stranger is that they rushed to give Cook a 2-year contract as soon as he began to show something (not much, but something) at AFL level. In contrast, Bond, who showed a LOT more than Cook, remains uncontracted.

 

[1990crow]

What's stranger is that they rushed to give Cook a 2-year contract as soon as he began to show something (not much, but something) at AFL level. In contrast, Bond, who showed a LOT more than Cook, remains uncontracted.

Reid is an idiot.

 

[Hodgy]

If ROB went down for the year then Strachan is the ONLY option.

Adelaide has a long history of maintaining a single low-cost ruckman on the list, as a ready-made backup should something happen to the lead ruck (first Jacobs, now ROB). Before Strachan we had Lowden, and before him Angus Graham. These players all cost us virtually nothing to recruit, and played for minimum salary, while providing us with a safety net should something happen to the main ruck.

Having said that, Strachan is now 28 (29 next month), and is contracted for 2025. He's the same age as ROB, so we need to be looking to replace both. We need to draft ROB's replacement this year, and find a replacement for Strachan next year.

Definately not the only option. You have the mid season draft of course, but Tillthorpe being a full time ruck, which is his best position anyway, would surely be the play. We actually used Borlase this year instead of Strachan. Anyone who saw Grundy throwing Strachan around like a rag doll is aware that we simply couldn’t be competitive if he was our first ruck all year.

And god no to drafting a ruckman. Goad in a couple of years, or any number of other established rucks as they come out of contract, but don’t waste a pick and 5 years of development for the small chance they turn out reasonable.

 

[Interloperer]

What's stranger is that they rushed to give Cook a 2-year contract as soon as he began to show something (not much, but something) at AFL level. In contrast, Bond, who showed a LOT more than Cook, remains uncontracted.

Much like Pedlar, Cook had bad luck with injury that turned out to be good reputationally.

I wonder where he'd be if he hadn't missed the next week vs Richmond after 3 goals vs Hawthorn, instead of crashing back to Earth the way Burgess did after 3 goals vs Hawthorn.

 

[Vader]

Definately not the only option. You have the mid season draft of course, but Tillthorpe being a full time ruck, which is his best position anyway, would surely be the play. We actually used Borlase this year instead of Strachan. Anyone who saw Grundy throwing Strachan around like a rag doll is aware that we simply couldn’t be competitive if he was our first ruck all year.

Thilthorpe as a full-time ruck if ROB goes down with a season-ending injury? **** NO!

And god no to drafting a ruckman. Goad in a couple of years, or any number of other established rucks as they come out of contract, but don’t waste a pick and 5 years of development for the small chance they turn out reasonable.

We can trade for a cheap replacement for Strachan, or grab one out of the state leagues with a late or rookie pick. We want something better than that for replacing ROB. Dodson appears to fit the bill nicely in the 2024 ND, though we don't currently have a draft pick in his expected range.

 

[GreyCrow]

Why do we pick players in the MSD if we arent going to play them or dont know what to do with them

 

[Vader]

Why do we pick players in the MSD if we arent going to play them or dont know what to do with them

An interesting take, given that the overwhelming question being asked by BF at the time of the MSD was "why aren't we picking more players, given that we have so many vacancies?".

Turray is a ruck/forward, both areas where we're short on depth. Given how well Nurray has turned out, I think the club is reasonably optimistic that he may turn out to be a decent AFL footballer.

Parnell was given plenty of opportunities, but time has shown that he doesn't have an AFL future.

The drafting of Brett Turner, on the other hand, remains a complete mystery.

The reality is that there are only 4 players on Adelaide's list who didn't play an AFL game this year (excluding Sloane) - Turray, Edwards, Ryan and Gallagher. All were first year draftees, and all bar Gallagher would have reasonable expectations of getting a game in 2025.

 

[GreyCrow]

An interesting take, given that the overwhelming question being asked by BF at the time of the MSD was "why aren't we picking more players, given that we have so many vacancies?".

Not sure the point of this

Turray is a ruck/forward, both areas where we're short on depth. Given how well Nurray has turned out, I think the club is reasonably optimistic that he may turn out to be a decent AFL footballer.

May? Hope? Thats ok for a draftee but MSD should be plug and play . We selected him for one reason and one reason only. Because his brother played here.

The reality is that there are only 4 players on Adelaide's list who didn't play an AFL game this year (excluding Sloane) - Turray, Edwards, Ryan and Gallagher. All were first year draftees, and all bar Gallagher would have reasonable expectations of getting a game in 2025.

Oh and while I have you can you show me where Luko was ''repeatedly '' dropped?

Seeing as how you have dodged this question for a week

 

[WaynesWorld19]

An interesting take, given that the overwhelming question being asked by BF at the time of the MSD was "why aren't we picking more players, given that we have so many vacancies?".

Turray is a ruck/forward, both areas where we're short on depth. Given how well Nurray has turned out, I think the club is reasonably optimistic that he may turn out to be a decent AFL footballer.

Parnell was given plenty of opportunities, but time has shown that he doesn't have an AFL future.

The drafting of Brett Turner, on the other hand, remains a complete mystery.

The reality is that there are only 4 players on Adelaide's list who didn't play an AFL game this year (excluding Sloane) - Turray, Edwards, Ryan and Gallagher. All were first year draftees, and all bar Gallagher would have reasonable expectations of getting a game in 2025.

so much for the narrative, we don't play the kids

But 1st year rookies are going to lose you more games than contribute gainfully

I wouldn't undersell Gallagher .....he has developed nicely in his 1st year of Aussie Rules .....got some nice attributes & moves

Remember most said Bond was dead wood

 

[Vader]

Not sure the point of this

Really? I suggest you have a think on it. Are you simply backflipping your own position, based on a revisionist version of history?

** I can't be bothered checking what your position was back then. Most BF posters were being critical that we weren't taking enough players in the MSD. Now you're taking the opposite position, suggesting that we shouldn't have participated at all.

May? Hope? Thats ok for a draftee but MSD should be plug and play . We selected him for one reason and one reason only. Because his brother played here.

... and No. There's no reason at all why an MSD selection should be "plug and play".

Turray was drafted because we identified him as a quality player who had been overlooked in the previous draft iterations. Also playing into the decision was the way that our lack of KPF depth had been exposed by the injuries to Walker, TT and Berg. Burgess & Gollant had shown themselves to be almost as useful as waterproof teabags, forcing the selectors to resort to playing Borlase in the forward line (with the same lack of success achieved by Burgess & Gollant).

Burgess, Gollant & Berg could all be gone this year - and any who survive the 2024 culling will almost certainly be gone this time next year. Walker is one year away from retirement, and will probably only play around 50% of the H&A season next year. There goes our KPF depth...

... enter Turray!

 

[ABAB]

Still think there’s a player in Cook but once again don’t see why we didn’t just offer the one year for list flexibility. Surely other clubs aren’t offering him two years.

Because when he get the ball he does something and never stuff up like others.

 

[Vader]

so much for the narrative, we don't play the kids

But 1st year rookies are going to lose you more games than contribute gainfully

I wouldn't undersell Gallagher .....he has developed nicely in his 1st year of Aussie Rules .....got some nice attributes & moves

Remember most said Bond was dead wood

I haven't seen anything of Gallagher to comment. I'm just going by what I read on BF, where his future is constantly questioned despite him being a Cat B rookie and not competing with anyone else for a position on the list.

 

[GreyCrow]

Really? I suggest you have a think on it. Are you simply backflipping your own position, based on a revisionist version of history?

** I can't be bothered checking what your position was back then.

LOL just LOL - tries to point score without knowing my position

... and No. There's no reason at all why an MSD selection should be "plug and play".

This is where we disagree. Its a free hit to fix a leak in your list. Not long term development .

I would like it to be used to hide prospects for the upcoming draft but its not allowed

Turray was drafted because we identified him as a quality player who had been overlooked in the previous draft iterations. Also playing into the decision was the way that our lack of KPF depth had been exposed by the injuries to Walker, TT and Berg. Burgess & Gollant had shown themselves to be almost as useful as waterproof teabags, forcing the selectors to resort to playing Borlase in the forward line (with the same lack of success achieved by Burgess & Gollant).

But we never used him. Doesnt that say he wasnt ready? My pint again is why pick him in the MSD.

I'm all for the club picking him in the main draft

And doesnt the MSD usually mean an 18 month contract? Which is just as stupid as not playing him?

Luko? No ? Crickets? Found out in a lie? Yes you were

 

[Draft Bored]

West Coast openly saying they want to add experience to their squad.
Surely we suggest Laird to them...

WC: 3
Adelaide: 4 + 1/4 of our list

 

[Vader]

I would like it to be used to hide prospects for the upcoming draft but its not allowed

Not sure how you hide someone who has already been passed over a minimum of 4 times - National Draft, Pre-Season Draft, Rookie Draft, and Pre-Season Supplementary Period.

But we never used him. Doesnt that say he wasnt ready? My pint again is why pick him in the MSD.

I'm all for the club picking him in the main draft

We didn't use him because the worst of our KPF depth problems had passed by the time the MSD rolled around. That's not to say we wouldn't have used him if it had reared it's ugly head again in the back half of the season, but fortunately it didn't.

Again, you make the assumption that picks in the MSD are just for "plug and play" players, which is patently not the case. Yes, it can be used in that way, but it's also a way for clubs to grab players who were overlooked in the previous draft cycle, and who have since emerged. Turray fits into the latter category.

If you're all for picking him in the main draft, then what's your objection to getting him in the MSD? Taking him in the MSD has several benefits - it gets him into our AFL training system 6 months earlier, costs us nothing in the way of draft capital, and minimises the risk of another club grabbing him before our pick. It also gave us the KPF depth, which had been so badly exposed in the first half of the season.

And doesnt the MSD usually mean an 18 month contract? Which is just as stupid as not playing him?

MSD players can choose to nominate either a 6 or 18 month contract when nominating for the draft. It's a 2-edged sword. 18 months gives them greater job security, but it also makes the clubs less likely to pick them. 18 month contracts are usually only nominated by players who have been given assurances that they will be drafted.

 

[DJ75]

What's stranger is that they rushed to give Cook a 2-year contract as soon as he began to show something (not much, but something) at AFL level. In contrast, Bond, who showed a LOT more than Cook, remains uncontracted.

The Bond one is baffling.
He has shown he has a role, and that he can perform at a high level in that role. So why is he left hanging?
I'm more certain of Bond's position in the team than I am of Berry, yet we signed Berry for two years.

It makes no sense.

 

[1990crow]

The Bond one is baffling.
He has shown he has a role, and that he can perform at a high level in that role. So why is he left hanging?
I'm more certain of Bond's position in the team than I am of Berry, yet we signed Berry for two years.

It makes no sense.

Agree. I really dont know what we are doing.
Every effort should be made to improve the best 22.
If you offer a contract to Cumming, trade Sholl.
If you go after Oliver. Trade Berry.
If you go after Lukosius, retire Tex.
If Bond shows hes best 22, you priortise him over someone who is fringe.

Just looks like amateur hour currently.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I haven't seen Bearded Clam, using his impeccable player judgement, to lambast Ben Keays

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recently ......could it be he was wrong about being a useless footballer, delist insistent.

We eagerly await his next kiss of death assessment .....will be a Brownlow certainty on Clams performance

 

[1990crow]

I haven't seen Bearded Clam, using his impeccable player judgement, to lambast Ben Keays recently ......could it be he was wrong about being a useless footballer, delist insistent.

We eagerly await his next kiss of death assessment .....will be a Brownlow certainty on Clams performance

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Is there a league wide ladder for this.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I really don’t see why we have Strachan on a 38 player list. He is clearly a great SANFL player and nowhere near an AFL player and we have Himmo and Toby Murray, and of course Tillthorpe if ROB was out for only a few weeks. If ROB went down for the year then Strachan wouldn’t be the option anyway. I feel the same about Burgess.

Agree.

Better off keeping Berg as a backup & drafting a new ruckman IMO.

 

[DJ75]

Agree. I really dont know what we are doing.
Every effort should be made to improve the best 22.
If you offer a contract to Cumming, trade Sholl.
If you go after Oliver. Trade Berry.
If you go after Lukosius, retire Tex.
If Bond shows hes best 22, you priortise him over someone who is fringe.

Just looks like amateur hour currently.

This only makes sense if you are planning for the future, or your aim is to be a better team.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Is there a league wide ladder for this.

Not sure ....but to the eye, we're pretty poor

 

[Mostyn]

Just one thing - Turray is already on the rookie list.

Yes - this is more noting what could happen at List Lodgement. We cut Sloane from the main list, and keep Murray in one of the now open rookie spots (instead of Sloane's).

 

[Mostyn]

I really don’t see why we have Strachan on a 38 player list. He is clearly a great SANFL player and nowhere near an AFL player and we have Himmo and Toby Murray, and of course Tillthorpe if ROB was out for only a few weeks. If ROB went down for the year then Strachan wouldn’t be the option anyway. I feel the same about Burgess.

Yeah, that's fair enough.

I haven't kept Himmelburg, but you could make a case to do that and pay out Strachan.

 

[Mostyn]

If we land ANB and Lukosius, I think Cook's time with us is done as he will be so far down the pecking order and if we could get a late pick for him, we should be encouraging him to look around.

We've only just re-signed him. Trade seems unlikely.