Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[Mutineer]

He has been named in the SANFL team of the year four times straight.

No other ruckman in the last decade has been named more than twice.

And he's that good he'll be gone at year's end if we are fair dinkum about lifting the standard of our ruck department.

We need a better lead ruck, we need better mature age depth that can at least be competitive at AFL level if needed.

At all times we should have a young developing ruck on our list because that's the only way we will ever get an elite ruckman like the Gawn's Cox's etc

 

[FR0GGY]

Disagree 100%.

1 player can make a massive difference. Look at Dusty or McLeod - they make a massive difference.

Its just never a ruckman that makes the difference. How many Norm Smiths have been won by a ruckman?

We only won the flag 2 years in how many with McLeod?
Reckon a team with a gun ruckman has had a better strike rate
Would be have won the flags without Rehn?
Anyway that’s not really the point.
We can improve our team by replacing Rob with a footballer.
Why wouldn’t you want to do that?

 

[FR0GGY]

As I have said 1,000 on the is board - a ruckman is like a grade at university - P's get degrees.

You need a bare minimum to pass. Essendon playing without one against us in 09 is a great example. You need a competent/average ruckman to succeed. It doesn't matter if you have an A grade or C grade ruckman - as long as they can compete.

As I’ve said in the other post, we can improve by replacing Rob or at minimum making him not be complacent, why wouldn’t you want to do that?
We proved this year in the trade that you can do more than one thing.

 

[Trigger13]

Sam Draper is a train wreck of a ruckman. His stats back that up. ROB is far superior. But hey, let’s not let the facts get in the way of our recruiting staff.

 

[AFC979810]

We only won the flag 2 years in how many with McLeod?

2 flags - 2 norm smiths - McLeod was the difference.

Reckon a team with a gun ruckman has had a better strike rate
Would be have won the flags without Rehn?

Probably. I mean - you think Rehn's 16 hitouts vs Cook in 97 was the difference? Or Rehn and Pittman beating McKernan?

If Clarke Keatinge was our #1 ruck in those years we still win.

Anyway that’s not really the point.
We can improve our team by replacing Rob with a footballer.
Why wouldn’t you want to do that?

Meh - I dont think we improve our team by drafting a ruckman that will be ready in 6 years. I dont think there are any SANFL / VFL ruckman who are better than ROB

 

[AFC979810]

As I’ve said in the other post, we can improve by replacing Rob or at minimum making him not be complacent, why wouldn’t you want to do that?
We proved this year in the trade that you can do more than one thing.

Who did we miss on that is better than ROB?

 

[FR0GGY]

2 flags - 2 norm smiths - McLeod was the difference.



Probably. I mean - you think Rehn's 16 hitouts vs Cook in 97 was the difference? Or Rehn and Pittman beating McKernan?

If Clarke Keatinge was our #1 ruck in those years we still win.



Meh - I dont think we improve our team by drafting a ruckman that will be ready in 6 years. I dont think there are any SANFL / VFL ruckman who are better than ROB

There’s still deadwood on the list, we could easily accommodate another ruck, hell we could have cut Strachan given he’s not going to improve our team.

 

[FR0GGY]

Who did we miss on that is better than ROB?

I haven’t said we’ve missed on anyone.
Rob can’t mark or kick, the only thing he’s got going for him is rucking which you say doesn’t matter.
Why are we even playing him?
Anyway I’m happy to bow out of this one again

 

[AFC979810]

I haven’t said we’ve missed on anyone.
Rob can’t mark or kick, the only thing he’s got going for him is rucking which you say doesn’t matter.
Why are we even playing him?

Cause he draws even in the middle as a ruckman - which is all you need. We don't need him to be better or worse - his play is adequate.

He is as effective as Darcy Fort. As Mason Cox. As Nathan Vardy. As Rhys Stanley.

If we can get someone cheaper that has his output great. If we can't then its no big loss. Of all our issues as a club we can upgrade a shitload more that will make an actual difference.

 

[AFC979810]

There’s still deadwood on the list, we could easily accommodate another ruck, hell we could have cut Strachan given he’s not going to improve our team.

You loved Strachan! Why would we cut him.

Strachan is a fine backup. As will be 209cm McAndrew. As will be Murray..... And if need be we can get some hack in the midseason draft.

 

[Cromulant]

2 flags - 2 norm smiths - McLeod was the difference.



Probably. I mean - you think Rehn's 16 hitouts vs Cook in 97 was the difference? Or Rehn and Pittman beating McKernan?

If Clarke Keatinge was our #1 ruck in those years we still win.



Meh - I dont think we improve our team by drafting a ruckman that will be ready in 6 years. I dont think there are any SANFL / VFL ruckman who are better than ROB

Rehn was absolutely crucial in our premierships, without him we dont even make the GF let alone win it.

That said, its a different game now.

 

[FR0GGY]

You loved Strachan! Why would we cut him.

Strachan is a fine backup. As will be 209cm McAndrew. As will be Murray..... And if need be we can get some hack in the midseason draft.

Nah I just wanted Rob dropped and him to get a go.

 

[Lazy Sicilian]

I haven’t said we’ve missed on anyone.
Rob can’t mark or kick, the only thing he’s got going for him is rucking which you say doesn’t matter.
Why are we even playing him?
Anyway I’m happy to bow out of this one again

I have a theory on this

Rob's eyes are extremely close together, hell there was a time where I thought he was a Cyclops. His eyes are that close together that he'd mostly just be seeing the bottom half of his nose when he was trying to kick or mark, it'd be distracting to say the least.

I hope he doesn't have a drivers licence

 

[GameofSloanes]

Who did we miss on that is better than ROB?

Moyle was the one, we drafted parnell

 

[Slime Roy]

I have a theory on this

Rob's eyes are extremely close together, hell there was a time where I thought he was a Cyclops. His eyes are that close together that he'd mostly just be seeing the bottom half of his nose when he was trying to kick or mark, it'd be distracting to say the least.

I hope he doesn't have a drivers licence

Isn't he training to be a surgeon.

 

[Mostyn]

Moyle was the one, we drafted parnell

Maybe. He's only played six games so the jury is still out.

 

[Cromulant]

Isn't he training to be a surgeon.

No

 

[Lazy Sicilian]

Isn't he training to be a surgeon.

 

[BRL121]

Rehn was absolutely crucial in our premierships, without him we dont even make the GF let alone win it.

That said, its a different game now.

He was, indeed. However, a lot of that was his performances at CHF for some of the time. He was just a great footballer.
A while ago I happened to watch the replay of a final in our heyday, where he and Robran alternated at CHF: they were absolutely magnificent! (and I didn't really rate Robran at the time.)

 

[CDC60]

Rehn was absolutely crucial in our premierships, without him we dont even make the GF let alone win it.

That said, its a different game now.

Rehn's third quarters in both GF wins were enormous. We rightly remember Bungey through the centre and Jars up top but without Shaun the ball is not in their hands

 

[Golumless]

Sam Draper is a train wreck of a ruckman. His stats back that up. ROB is far superior. But hey, let’s not let the facts get in the way of our recruiting staff.

Far superior is a pretty big stretch, seeing Essendon got more clearances, contested marks, and offensive output from Draper than we did with ROB last year. Not to say ROB doesn't bring his own strengths to the table, seeing we tend to get a bit out of him defensively and he does win a lot of hit outs (and how important that is remains to be seen as our midfield gets more talent influxing into it).

Both fit into the same tier at the moment, as ok - but deeply flawed - rucks.


The big curiosity/question mark is what happens if Draper enters our set up. After all, it's hard to imagine Adelaide will give Thilthorpe more minutes as a ruck, which would leave Draper with potentially 20 more ruck contests a game compared to what he gets at Essendon. The other one is Draper really comes off as the kind of player who'll peel off a career year coinciding with free agency before regressing.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I have a theory on this

Rob's eyes are extremely close together, hell there was a time where I thought he was a Cyclops. His eyes are that close together that he'd mostly just be seeing the bottom half of his nose when he was trying to kick or mark, it'd be distracting to say the least.

I hope he doesn't have a drivers licence

The technical name for this is Laird syndrome.

 

[ABAB]

Sam Draper is a train wreck of a ruckman. His stats back that up. ROB is far superior. But hey, let’s not let the facts get in the way of our recruiting staff.

Draper does thing not expected of Ruckman very well sometimes but also does thing expected of a Ruckman to do very well sometimes.

 

[Mutineer]

Draper does thing not expected of Ruckman very well sometimes but also does thing expected of a Ruckman to do very well sometimes.

Do you have the English translation please?

 

[ABAB]

Do you have the English translation please?

Mean he is a modern Ruckman and shit over ROB on what modern Ruckman do but only does that sometimes. ROB is better than him in what you expect of an old fashion Ruckman, wins hit out but that's it. He used to be useful in pushing back in defense and take contested mark to set up attack, that's why he won the B&F.