List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

King we’d be crazy to cash in even for two high picks. This isn’t an outstanding draft.

it isn't? shiiiiiiiit

 

[gringo2011]

Our fixture is:
Gold Coast (H)
Brisbane (A)
Bye
PA (H)
Swans (H)
Adelaide (A)
West Coast (H)
Essendon (H)
Brisbane (H)
Richmond (A)
Geelong (H)
Carlton (A)

I don’t think we’ll win a game before West Coast, and by that stage we’ll be putting the cue in the rack sending players away for early surgery and the like as we look forward to 2025.

I think we’ll win only 3 games (West Coast, Essendon and Richmond). That’s 7 wins for the season which will be the same position we are now.

15th and pick 4.

That’s my take anyway.

I reckon we probably beat Suns. They are pretty terrible away.

 

[gringo2011]

it isn't? shiiiiiiiit

There is always some good players in every draft except the odd absolute shocker every 10 years or so. This one doesn't have a top 10 players that look certain superstars but plenty of depth right into the second round.

It's not horrible but you wouldn't go all in on it. I think we should get a pretty good chance at a high level player with our first pick but less confident that there won't be a lot of players that are GOPs and misses smattered through it.

 

[Joffaboy]

I will defer to the people like Tomey who know more about the draft than me, but we really can't say if it is a good draft or not for about 5 years.

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[Holy Hunter Clark]

The top 6-7 players are quite even.

O'Sullivan and Smille are top 2 but not a whole heap better then Jagga, Draper and Moraes.

There will be some value at the end of the first round as well with Lalor, Cody Anderson and Taj Hotton projected to be there at those picks.

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[gringo2011]

I will defer to the people like Tomey who know more about the draft than me, but we really can't say if it is a good draft or not for about 5 years.

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You can tell when there are stand out players though. This isn't a strong year. Harley Reid was the best player for the two years before the draft. This one doesn't have a super strong front end and it looks quite even. Jagga Smith, O'Sullivan and Smillie types look like good players don't get me wrong, a few will end up being stars but it's not one you want to trade into the front end at any cost.

I think Jagga Smith should end up going around where our pick will sit and think he'll be a gun but I'm happy to take our natural pick and not go balls deep into the draft.

The interesting part is that North sound like they could be keen on selling pick one because the first couple of picks look like being mids. You'd probably have to give up a second round pick as well and then move 2 or 3 places to get a player that may or may not be any better than the one you'd get at pick 3 or 4.

 

[Yabadoo22]

An an ideal world we most desperately need a centre clearance beast who can shrug or step around congestion and kick goals. They don't grow on trees I know. Smilie looks the closest to that early on. O'Sullivan looks a star, just whether or not he ends up making it on the inside, or is more of a wingman/half forward. Jagga smith looks a clearance beast, but Is pretty small. His skills looks sloppy, so not sold on him yet. I think Sam lalor could be the one if he stays injury free for the rest of the year. Good size, has good burst of speed and good overhead. Looking forward to see who jumps from the pack over the champs.

 

[gringo2011]

An an ideal world we most desperately need a centre clearance beast who can shrug or step around congestion and kick goals. They don't grow on trees I know. Smilie looks the closest to that early on. O'Sullivan looks a star, just whether or not he ends up making it on the inside, or is more of a wingman/half forward. Jagga smith looks a clearance beast, but Is pretty small. His skills looks sloppy, so not sold on him yet. I think Sam lalor could be the one if he stays injury free for the rest of the year. Good size, has good burst of speed and good overhead. Looking forward to see who jumps from the pack over the champs.

Yeah, a lot of those higher picks are more outside orientated mids.

Jagga is a smaller guy but you'd hope he might turn into a Butters, Neale or Merret type of smaller sized accumulator.

Lalor and Cody Anderson are the more bull inside types of this draft. Both look a bit later in the draft. Ideally a CA or Gross type drifts out to our second RDP.

 

[EconomicDecline]

Tanking is ****ing stupid. Destroys development by absolutely demoralising the players. Look at Norf. Have gone further backwards this year. Melbourne spent a decade in the wilderness. Carlton only made finals 3(+1) times in 20 years.

 

[stfan]

With most players now fit we could easily slide up the ladder quite a number of places, and thus miss out on the quality mids even if we have a FA compo pick.

 

[Miha]

Tanking is ****ing stupid. Destroys development by absolutely demoralising the players. Look at Norf. Have gone further backwards this year. Melbourne spent a decade in the wilderness. Carlton only made finals 3(+1) times in 20 years.

Agreed. I don’t think this is an intentional bottom out, we’ve just not clicked and if we can’t get going this year, write it off, let the kids play where appropriate and get extra talent in

With most players now fit we could easily slide up the ladder quite a number of places, and thus miss out on the quality mids even if we have a FA compo pick.

We’re crying out for mids in mid loaded draft, we need to take advantage

 

[yeahfells]

Tanking is ****ing stupid. Destroys development by absolutely demoralising the players. Look at Norf. Have gone further backwards this year. Melbourne spent a decade in the wilderness. Carlton only made finals 3(+1) times in 20 years.

Finishing down towards the bottom of the ladder is a necessary evil if we want to bring in elite talent through these heavily compromised drafts. We need top tier players coming through to develop with the young core. This is what we have failed to do for the past decade by consistently finishing midtable. We are stuck in a never-ending cycle of mediocrity if we continue to pretend that our squad is capable of a flag. It is not. We need to recognise this now and bite the bullet or face an indefinite future of failure. I am sick of failure.



The time is now and we can double our early pick it if we can also cash in on Band 1 compo for Battle. Turning our season around now and just missing finals achieves us nothing aside from the satisfaction of winning those games, which I appreciate is very important for player development and the reason they play the game in the first place. Our hands are tied and we need to bottom out to avoid another decade of the same - as much as that sucks.

 

[beside the seaside]

We don't need to tank. We aren't very good. We will most likely finish low down the ladder this year. If we start winning again this year then that's a good sign going forward.

In terms of the academy players then they don't really hurt your draft pick. We just don't have access to them. Priority picks and concession picks do but I'm not sure how many of those will effect our first round pick this year.

 

[beside the seaside]

Finishing down towards the bottom of the ladder is a necessary evil if we want to bring in elite talent through these heavily compromised drafts. We need top tier players coming through to develop with the young core. This is what we have failed to do for the past decade by consistently finishing midtable. We are stuck in a never-ending cycle of mediocrity if we continue to pretend that our squad is capable of a flag. It is not. We need to recognise this now and bite the bullet or face an indefinite future of failure. I am sick of failure.



The time is now and we can double our early pick it if we can also cash in on Band 1 compo for Battle. Turning our season around now and just missing finals achieves us nothing aside from the satisfaction of winning those games, which I appreciate is very important for player development and the reason they play the game in the first place. Our hands are tied and we need to bottom out to avoid another decade of the same - as much as that sucks.

It's a pipe dream to get band 1 for Battle.

 

[BrutThough]

Finishing down towards the bottom of the ladder is a necessary evil if we want to bring in elite talent through these heavily compromised drafts. We need top tier players coming through to develop with the young core. This is what we have failed to do for the past decade by consistently finishing midtable. We are stuck in a never-ending cycle of mediocrity if we continue to pretend that our squad is capable of a flag. It is not. We need to recognise this now and bite the bullet or face an indefinite future of failure. I am sick of failure.

Nah, this is just a coping mechanism to feel better about us being disappointing this year.

Plenty of elite talent is available after the first 4 picks if you bring them into a strong envinronment and develop them properly.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Nah, this is just a coping mechanism to feel better about us being disappointing this year.

Plenty of elite talent is available after the first 4 picks if you bring them into a strong envinronment and develop them properly.

So they'll be great at Geelong.

 

[Remboy]

Finishing down towards the bottom of the ladder is a necessary evil if we want to bring in elite talent through these heavily compromised drafts. We need top tier players coming through to develop with the young core. This is what we have failed to do for the past decade by consistently finishing midtable. We are stuck in a never-ending cycle of mediocrity if we continue to pretend that our squad is capable of a flag. It is not. We need to recognise this now and bite the bullet or face an indefinite future of failure. I am sick of failure.



The time is now and we can double our early pick it if we can also cash in on Band 1 compo for Battle. Turning our season around now and just missing finals achieves us nothing aside from the satisfaction of winning those games, which I appreciate is very important for player development and the reason they play the game in the first place. Our hands are tied and we need to bottom out to avoid another decade of the same - as much as that sucks.

You’re sick of failure so you want us to lose? Turning our season around and winning games builds confidence, a winning culture, membership, sponsors and time slots.
Losing games locks us into Sunday 4.40 in front of 15000.
Last three years we’ve had picks 10, 11 and 18 and ended up with Wanganeen Milera, Phillipou and Wilson, which has been as good as we could hope for without handouts. Adding players of that quality will help as much as finishing last.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Yes we’d all like to see a flag but I’m sick to death of losing.

I don’t want to lose any more games than necessary in the hope that this will magically result in a premiership. A few marginally better selections on draft night while trying to compete with talent filled intestate teams from the North, and soon the South.

All the time making it hard to lure FAs to our club (those essential opportunities to improve the list without giving up draft picks) Why would someone like LDU leave North after a winless 7 years or so just to join North 2.0?

Just keep trying to win.

And keep pouring money/resources into talent identification.

And keep pouring money/resources into player development.

Do those 3 things and I’ll be happy, even if we fail to achieve the ultimate in my lifetime.

 

[EconomicDecline]

Nah, this is just a coping mechanism to feel better about us being disappointing this year.

Plenty of elite talent is available after the first 4 picks if you bring them into a strong envinronment and develop them properly.

Exactly. Needing to finish at the bottom to draft elite talent is a fantasy perpetuated by dullards.

Geelong have only missed finals 3 times in the past 20 years, with last years 12th being their lowest finish.

Sydney have only missed 5 times in the past 28 years.

What matters is the resources to properly identify and develop talent.

A strong culture of winning also helps and is something we can only do incrementally. Would rather take an extra decade to get where Geelong and Sydney are than to constantly yoyo out.

 

[Miha]

Exactly. Needing to finish at the bottom to draft elite talent is a fantasy perpetuated by dullards.

Geelong have only missed finals 3 times in the past 20 years, with last years 12th being their lowest finish.

Sydney have only missed 5 times in the past 28 years.

What matters is the resources to properly identify and develop talent.

A strong culture of winning also helps and is something we can only do incrementally. Would rather take an extra decade to get where Geelong and Sydney are than to constantly yoyo out.

Sydney do have an academy whisky Geelong always attract players in that area, but I do see your point

 

[yeahfells]

You’re sick of failure so you want us to lose? Turning our season around and winning games builds confidence, a winning culture, membership, sponsors and time slots.
Losing games locks us into Sunday 4.40 in front of 15000.
Last three years we’ve had picks 10, 11 and 18 and ended up with Wanganeen Milera, Phillipou and Wilson, which has been as good as we could hope for without handouts. Adding players of that quality will help as much as finishing last.

I want us to win a premiership. That is the only thing that matters to me in this game. Bottoming out is short term pain for long term gain as far as I can see it. I absolutely hate losing but this season is gone and I can't see any point in finishing midtable again. Just my onions

 

[Bill Crouse]

Nah, this is just a coping mechanism to feel better about us being disappointing this year.

Plenty of elite talent is available after the first 4 picks if you bring them into a strong envinronment and develop them properly.

We need to finish in the bottom 4 again to find our next Billings and McCartin. I'm sick of being stuck in "no man's land" where we can only find the leftover spuds like Wanganeen-Milera and Wilson.

 

[phantom13]

I want us to win a premiership. That is the only thing that matters to me in this game. Bottoming out is short term pain for long term gain as far as I can see it. I absolutely hate losing but this season is gone and I can't see any point in finishing midtable again. Just my onions

Agreed. I suppose theres a balance.

Were half a game back from Adelaide but now a win clear of the Eagles. Reality is we should probably finish 4th or 5th last. So there might not be much benefit in FULL tank. We wont catch Richmond with that injury list and we wont catch North to get pick 1 or 2.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I want us to win a premiership. That is the only thing that matters to me in this game. Bottoming out is short term pain for long term gain as far as I can see it. I absolutely hate losing but this season is gone and I can't see any point in finishing midtable again. Just my onions

So you're desperate to get a 1 kid a little bit better ( but possibly not ) than the kid we'd get if we didn't tank, who may or may not be as good as Wilson or Windhager.

 

[phantom13]

So you're desperate to get a 1 kid a little bit better ( but possibly not ) than the kid we'd get if we didn't tank, who may or may not be as good as Wilson or Windhager.

The stats show that the higher your pick the more likely you are to get a great/good player. Obviously there are outliers (Hird in the 60's Sam Fisher for us was late) but by and large the quality diminishes the further down you get.

I was originally filthy with us winning Saturday but in reality pick 3 v 4 v 5 isnt gonna make a huge difference and winning matters. I cant see us getting a better pick than 3 or 4 (Richmond and North are awful) so its really just if we surge now and finish around the 8. That would be immensely frustrating.