List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[gringo2011]

If people really want to spew, Marshall Brisbane Academy was BOG followed by Suns academy kid Leo Lombard, then the Camporeakle twins up there too. Followed by Annable also Brisbane Academy and they get a top 3 prospect in Ashcroft. WA v Allies match.

Academy prospects shine as Allies storm past WA

Leo Lombard impressed again as the Allies beat Western Australia in Sydney

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[SaintsSeptember]

The TANKING results are in

When asked if you were FOR tanking or AGAINST tanking the FOR tanking was nearly double the number over AGAINST

Something like 30 FOR to 15 AGAINST

Strengthens my opinion of those on this forum.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I’d keep Howard. If he keeps up the form he may get a juicy offer which maybe the club wasn’t expecting. Interesting times ahead

Yep, the minute you "shop him" they look for loose change.

 

[beside the seaside]

If people really want to spew, Marshall Brisbane Academy was BOG followed by Suns academy kid Leo Lombard, then the Camporeakle twins up there too. Followed by Annable also Brisbane Academy and they get a top 3 prospect in Ashcroft. WA v Allies match.

Academy prospects shine as Allies storm past WA

Leo Lombard impressed again as the Allies beat Western Australia in Sydney

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It's pretty depressing isn't it. We are so up against it. It feels like we need to nail every single pick while these teams get to casually draft a bundle of top prospects every year.

What concerns me a lot is that while we need a top midfield prospect, we also really need a top forward prospect or two to go with King. Hammer is one to watch for sure but can we rely on him? Sharman hasn't come on like we hoped, Collard a youngster but shown nothing, Keeler is playing back.

It feels like we're quite a few pieces short right now.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

The TANKING results are in

When asked if you were FOR tanking or AGAINST tanking the FOR tanking was nearly double the number over AGAINST

Something like 30 FOR to 15 AGAINST

There's tanking of the detrimental variety (Ala Melbourne during the Bailey & Neeld years)

and there's smart tanking (Ala Norf not winning a totally irrelevant game so they could take a generational talent).


Wait.... ummmmmm

 

[Yawkey way]

If people really want to spew, Marshall Brisbane Academy was BOG followed by Suns academy kid Leo Lombard, then the Camporeakle twins up there too. Followed by Annable also Brisbane Academy and they get a top 3 prospect in Ashcroft. WA v Allies match.

Academy prospects shine as Allies storm past WA

Leo Lombard impressed again as the Allies beat Western Australia in Sydney

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Might be a poison chalice I watched quite a bit of the first 2 games and wasn’t impressed. Carlton will do ok but you can keep Lombard he had a couple of Henry moments when he just didn’t compete and generally didn’t impress as anything special. So yeah put in a bid and let them match, knock yourselves out the bigger worry imo would be they shrug and don’t match and someone gets dodoroed.

 

[The Jack]

Exactly. Needing to finish at the bottom to draft elite talent is a fantasy perpetuated by dullards.

Geelong have only missed finals 3 times in the past 20 years, with last years 12th being their lowest finish.

Sydney have only missed 5 times in the past 28 years.

What matters is the resources to properly identify and develop talent.

A strong culture of winning also helps and is something we can only do incrementally. Would rather take an extra decade to get where Geelong and Sydney are than to constantly yoyo out.

Father Sons and Acadamy picks also help these stats. Some clubs are very well run and some clubs are touched on the pecker as well. Some clubs, like ours, are neither.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

The top 6-7 players are quite even.

O'Sullivan and Smille are top 2 but not a whole heap better then Jagga, Draper and Moraes.

There will be some value at the end of the first round as well with Lalor, Cody Anderson and Taj Hotton projected to be there at those picks.

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Sounds like it’s a good year to have a top ten pick, but not necessarily a good year to finish wooden spoon and getting pick one.

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

If people really want to spew, Marshall Brisbane Academy was BOG followed by Suns academy kid Leo Lombard, then the Camporeakle twins up there too. Followed by Annable also Brisbane Academy and they get a top 3 prospect in Ashcroft. WA v Allies match.

Academy prospects shine as Allies storm past WA

Leo Lombard impressed again as the Allies beat Western Australia in Sydney

www.afl.com.au

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FMD

 

[Yawkey way]

Sounds like it’s a good year to have a top ten pick, but not necessarily a good year to finish wooden spoon and getting pick one.

Let’s wait and see how the vic teams look and there’s a lot of football to play yet.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

It's pretty depressing isn't it. We are so up against it. It feels like we need to nail every single pick while these teams get to casually draft a bundle of top prospects every year.

What concerns me a lot is that while we need a top midfield prospect, we also really need a top forward prospect or two to go with King. Hammer is one to watch for sure but can we rely on him? Sharman hasn't come on like we hoped, Collard a youngster but shown nothing, Keeler is playing back.

It feels like we're quite a few pieces short right now.

Means there will be opportunities to grab young fringe players who could develop. They can’t keep them all.

 

[gringo2011]

Let’s wait and see how the vic teams look and there’s a lot of football to play yet.

Sunday should let us know a lot more. Vic metro v country will be a good watch

 

[St Neil]

If people really want to spew, Marshall Brisbane Academy was BOG followed by Suns academy kid Leo Lombard, then the Camporeakle twins up there too. Followed by Annable also Brisbane Academy and they get a top 3 prospect in Ashcroft. WA v Allies match.

Academy prospects shine as Allies storm past WA

Leo Lombard impressed again as the Allies beat Western Australia in Sydney

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The AFL have to do something about these academies. It’s out of control now. It’s almost cheating within the rules.

I may be an outlier here, and I understand most people will disagree with me, but I’d scrap the draft and all the compromises attached to it. Open slather. Clubs can recruit whoever they like wherever they like.

However the salary cap is tightened and enforced with rigid zealotry by the AFL. And punitive inflexible sanctions are imposed on those clubs who exceed it with loss of Premiership points (including future points).

The salary cap is the mechanism to keep the competition even while allowing clubs who are on the bottom to quickly build and recruit their way out of it. Assuming the salary cap is at a level that is not too restrictive or too generous.

Players are free agents when uncontracted and trading would only be a means of freeing up the salary cap if it suits a club. Seems to be a fair compromise.

Sorry if everyone thinks I’m rambling. But I’m over the draft and the restrictive way clubs can regenerate their list. The dice is now loaded in favour of a select few clubs, such as those clubs who have been gifted academies or those clubs who have been the beneficiaries of genetic luck.

Remove the anomalies and simplify the system so it is fair to all clubs.

Won’t happen of course. Drafting and trading is another way the AFL can hog the limelight for longer.

 

[ScrappyDo]

That's what you will get for battle. There isn't going to be an early first. It's end of first round at best. So a 2nd round pick.

Then what do we do about the CBH position. Howard's too slow. Wilkie undersized and also can't cover the ground like battle can.

So then you're going back to the well to find a CHB. They take time to develop too.

That's called an opinion. Not "the talk"

 

[Grav]

Yep, the minute you "shop him" they look for loose change.

Hmmm!

 

[austinnn]

4. Luke Trainor
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
DEF, 194cm
Talent League: 2 games, 20.5 disposals, 5.5 marks, 3 tackles

Named best on ground for the AFL Academy, Trainor put all of his elite traits together to showcase why he is the top-rated key defender in the pool. The bouncy interceptor flies bravely for his marks and offers beautiful timing in his kicking action, often being entrusted to take his side's kick-ins and setting up transition offence with aplomb. It's this attacking weapon which will have clubs considering Trainor in the top five at this early juncture.

Draft Power Rankings: Mids, father-sons dominate the list

The 2024 draft crop is already looking stacked with midfielders, while a number of father-son prospects also feature in the top 20. Plus yet another Suns Academy product in the top 10, writes Jasper Chellappah.

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4. Luke Trainor
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
DEF, 194cm
Talent League: 2 games, 20.5 disposals, 5.5 marks, 3 tackles

Named best on ground for the AFL Academy, Trainor put all of his elite traits together to showcase why he is the top-rated key defender in the pool. The bouncy interceptor flies bravely for his marks and offers beautiful timing in his kicking action, often being entrusted to take his side's kick-ins and setting up transition offence with aplomb. It's this attacking weapon which will have clubs considering Trainor in the top five at this early juncture.

Draft Power Rankings: Mids, father-sons dominate the list

The 2024 draft crop is already looking stacked with midfielders, while a number of father-son prospects also feature in the top 20. Plus yet another Suns Academy product in the top 10, writes Jasper Chellappah.

www.espn.com.au

That guy sounds awesome.

What if I were to tell you we have a player exactly fitting that description, plus is a genuine swingman who has played as a marking forward, wingman, relief ruck, and most recently midfielder. A one-club player who's already played 112 games of senior AFL and is in his 8th season for our club?

What if I were to then tell you we're going to let him walk out of our club and straight to a neighbouring club that have one-upped St Kilda countless times throughout history and directly profited from nearly every bad decision the club has ever made, all because we didn't want to upset our pay structure?

North would definitely have a battle on their hands getting Trainor. Meanwhile, we already have a Battle on our hands.

 

[Longmembrey]

Providing this plays out, it would have to be the first time ever the bottom side beats the eventual premiers for their only win of the year

Possibly happened in 1995

 

[hayes]

It's pretty depressing isn't it. We are so up against it. It feels like we need to nail every single pick while these teams get to casually draft a bundle of top prospects every year.

What concerns me a lot is that while we need a top midfield prospect, we also really need a top forward prospect or two to go with King. Hammer is one to watch for sure but can we rely on him? Sharman hasn't come on like we hoped, Collard a youngster but shown nothing, Keeler is playing back.

It feels like we're quite a few pieces short right now.

I’m a big Caminiti fan. You don’t need 60+ goal key forwards to win a flag you just need a contest from them and he’s almost like a small forward once the ball hits the deck, plus still kicking enough goals for a young player to be excited about. Complete opposite to King who becomes basically irrelevant if he doesn’t mark it.

I think we’re only just a midfield short and TBH while it was a bit better on the weekend our gameplan is rubbish. Hard for anyone to look good when you’re kicking the ball around the backline and scared to score.

 

[beside the seaside]

I’m a big Caminiti fan. You don’t need 60+ goal key forwards to win a flag you just need a contest from them and he’s almost like a small forward once the ball hits the deck, plus still kicking enough goals for a young player to be excited about. Complete opposite to King who becomes basically irrelevant if he doesn’t mark it.

I think we’re only just a midfield short and TBH while it was a bit better on the weekend our gameplan is rubbish. Hard for anyone to look good when you’re kicking the ball around the backline and scared to score.

I like what I've seen from Hammer and I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do but what I've noticed from him is he often goes to ground in a contest and his opponent consistently rebounds the ball. He'll get better though.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I like what I've seen from Hammer and I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do but what I've noticed from him is he often goes to ground in a contest and his opponent consistently rebounds the ball. He'll get better though.

He's 20 years old. Generally the going to the ground business comes from putting all the effort into the contest and not having the physical strength to maintain stability, similar to Moose. That'll change with time.

 

[The Punter]

The AFL have to do something about these academies. It’s out of control now. It’s almost cheating within the rules.

I may be an outlier here, and I understand most people will disagree with me, but I’d scrap the draft and all the compromises attached to it. Open slather. Clubs can recruit whoever they like wherever they like.

However the salary cap is tightened and enforced with rigid zealotry by the AFL. And punitive inflexible sanctions are imposed on those clubs who exceed it with loss of Premiership points (including future points).

The salary cap is the mechanism to keep the competition even while allowing clubs who are on the bottom to quickly build and recruit their way out of it. Assuming the salary cap is at a level that is not too restrictive or too generous.

Players are free agents when uncontracted and trading would only be a means of freeing up the salary cap if it suits a club. Seems to be a fair compromise.

Sorry if everyone thinks I’m rambling. But I’m over the draft and the restrictive way clubs can regenerate their list. The dice is now loaded in favour of a select few clubs, such as those clubs who have been gifted academies or those clubs who have been the beneficiaries of genetic luck.

Remove the anomalies and simplify the system so it is fair to all clubs.

Won’t happen of course. Drafting and trading is another way the AFL can hog the limelight for longer.

Salary cap isn't high enough for this to work, and if the floor was lowered, smaller teams would just be happy to stay smaller. The only reason soccer doesn't have the draft/salary cap thing is that leagues compete against each other, rather than merely teams.

I think we can all agree the system is broken now, but it requires fixing rather than abolishing. Get rid of the father-son rule, severely limit the academies (they serve the "home grown" purpose, so make it one pre-draft selection per season maximum, use it or lose it each year, for the four northern teams), and reintroduce automatic (not subjective) priority picks because they had the largest effect on clubs at the bottom.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

McLuggage off the market with a seven year deal at Brisbane I see. All in on LDU next year, let's spend some of this cash we have stashed!

 

[Parkysp]

I’m a big Caminiti fan. You don’t need 60+ goal key forwards to win a flag you just need a contest from them and he’s almost like a small forward once the ball hits the deck, plus still kicking enough goals for a young player to be excited about. Complete opposite to King who becomes basically irrelevant if he doesn’t mark it.

I think we’re only just a midfield short and TBH while it was a bit better on the weekend our gameplan is rubbish. Hard for anyone to look good when you’re kicking the ball around the backline and scared to score.

A midfield short eh? A midfield that let's the ball flow like a river into the backline. The backline then tries to get the ball to that same midfield and actually do it at a good AFL standard. The midfield that can't then hit the proverbial barn door kicking it forward.
That short eh?

Game plan. F*ing spare me.

No game plan without a midfield!!!

 

[Orange crush]

What everyone needs to grasp is that IF we sell Steele, Sincs and Marshall for first round picks, we might be able to turn those first round picks into players almost as good as them.

And, here's the kicker: if these picks turn into good players we can then turn these good, young, players into even more picks!!!

Hi SOS

 

[beside the seaside]

McLuggage off the market with a seven year deal at Brisbane I see. All in on LDU next year, let's spend some of this cash we have stashed!

If we want to have any chance of getting LDU then we'd want to get moving in the wins table. He's not going to want to come to a bottom four club.