List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[SteeleSaints]

Waddled between contests though to be fair.

Yep but didn't think he was any worse than normal...

 

[jimmytigs]

everything hawks fb page,got tired of reading the positive feedback re battle,no dissenting opinions

 

[Bill Crouse]

everything hawks fb page,got tired of reading the positive feedback re battle,no dissenting opinions

That isn't surprising. I doubt that there is anyone here that wants him to leave because they don't rate him.

 

[Sainter93]

Ok so let’s look at the midfields of the premiership sides over the last decade. Acknowledging that yes there is some academy/father son picks.

Hawthorn 2013-2015

Lewis - Pick 7
Hodge - Pick 1
Mitchell - Pick 36 (what a steal)
Burgoyne - Pick 12


Western Bulldogs 2016

Bontempelli - Pick 4
Macrae - Pick 6
Matthew Boyd

Matthew Boyd

Age

42

Ht

184cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.0

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.4

5star

MG

452.0

5star

No current season stats available

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.0

3star

- Rookie pick
Liberatore - pick 40

Richmond 2017-2020 era

Dusty - Pick 4
Cotchin - Pick 2
Prestia - Pick 9
Edwards - Pick 26

West Coast 2018

Shuey - pick 18
Gaff - pick 4
Redden - pick 25
Yeo - pick 30

Melbourne 2021

Petracca - pick 2
Oliver - pick 4
Viney - pick 26
Brayshaw - pick 3

Geelong 2022

Dangerfield - Pick 10
Selwood - Pick 7
Duncan - Pick 28
Smith - Pick 19

Collingwood 2023

Daicos - Pick 4
Pendlebury - Pick 5
De Goey - Pick 5
Sidebottom - Pick 11

So the formula is very simple and what we already know. The best midfields tend to be 3/4 of top 5-10 picks with a couple of steals along the way.

So if we have the option of gaining a 2nd potential top 5 pick for Battle, take it and run.
Draft 2 top mids and then grab LDU 12 months later and we have completely transformed our list and our midfield into one that can actually contend.

 

[Sainter93]

And for the people saying the draft isn’t the answer due to our past mistakes.. the drafting of elite talent simply is the only answer. For the people worried that Battle might go on to have a great career somewhere else. Well good luck to him. We need to be innovative to improve our list.

Past mistakes were made under poorer coaches/development and recruiting teams. This is clearly something we have rectified recently so time for us to let them get to work.

 

[Miha]

Ok so let’s look at the midfields of the premiership sides over the last decade. Acknowledging that yes there is some academy/father son picks.

Hawthorn 2013-2015

Lewis - Pick 7
Hodge - Pick 1
Mitchell - Pick 36 (what a steal)
Burgoyne - Pick 12


Western Bulldogs 2016

Bontempelli - Pick 4
Macrae - Pick 6
Matthew Boyd - Rookie pick
Liberatore - pick 40

Richmond 2017-2020 era

Dusty - Pick 4
Cotchin - Pick 2
Prestia - Pick 9
Edwards - Pick 26

West Coast 2018

Shuey - pick 18
Gaff - pick 4
Redden - pick 25
Yeo - pick 30

Melbourne 2021

Petracca - pick 2
Oliver - pick 4
Viney - pick 26
Brayshaw - pick 3

Geelong 2022

Dangerfield - Pick 10
Selwood - Pick 7
Duncan - Pick 28
Smith - Pick 19

Collingwood 2023

Daicos - Pick 4
Pendlebury - Pick 5
De Goey - Pick 5
Sidebottom - Pick 11

So the formula is very simple and what we already know. The best midfields tend to be 3/4 of top 5-10 picks with a couple of steals along the way.

So if we have the option of gaining a 2nd potential top 5 pick for Battle, take it and run.
Draft 2 top mids and then grab LDU 12 months later and we have completely transformed our list and our midfield into one that can actually contend.

12 months after this full season feels like light years away I might be cooked by then

 

[Mat Mann]

as far as I can see, we need to draft and draft at the pointy end. no way around it, we've been banging on about trading/FA a star for 10 years and we've landed 0 stars and just paid overs for role players

 

[StCicatriz]

We ain't getting a top 5 pick for battle. More chance of us landing LDU and that ain't happening either

 

[Jesuswasacarpenter]

We ain't getting a top 5 pick for battle. More chance of us landing LDU and that ain't happening either

I think Battle is a very f*ckin good player.

 

[Klaatu]

so jordan butts from the chardonnay sippers and lobb


hold me back

Jordon Butts is a Howard clone don’t want


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[stfan]

I’m sure it’s been mentioned but I haven’t read it so I thought I’d add to the Battle discussion…. But not having battle on the books would free more crap to chase LDU with.

There is already more than enough crap involved with St Kilda's list management. So no need to manufacture more crap.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

so jordan butts from the chardonnay sippers and lobb


hold me back

I'd probably have to bust out the credit card, get online to maybe Kmart or something, grab meself a cheap Anko microwave, perhaps even pay a little extra for expedited delivery, and then just wait patiently for the Delivery Man with membership card at the ready.

 

[gringo2011]

I'd probably have to bust out the credit card, get online to maybe Kmart or something, grab meself a cheap Anko microwave, perhaps even pay a little extra for expedited delivery, and then just wait patiently for the Delivery Man with membership card at the ready.

In Butts out Batts has a nice ring to it though. New name?

Battle is one of those culture players IMO. Losing him has real culture killer potential.

It is a shame that after this long we are still at a stage of selling off our good players to get more draft picks that we inevitably waste. We never win matches but we all circle jerk about how great the trade period has been when we go sell the cow for some magic beans.

 

[gringo2011]

And for the people saying the draft isn’t the answer due to our past mistakes.. the drafting of elite talent simply is the only answer. For the people worried that Battle might go on to have a great career somewhere else. Well good luck to him. We need to be innovative to improve our list.

Past mistakes were made under poorer coaches/development and recruiting teams. This is clearly something we have rectified recently so time for us to let them get to work.

Been telling people this for years but moving one out to get a gamble on a another isn't good list management.

Our midfield now has Dow- pick 3, Steele pick 20 something (academy), Crouch pick 2 (mini draft) and we have a few high pick on the list that are developing. Our natural pick will be top 6 this year and if we nail it we will end up with a quality mid.

Selling your kitchen to remodel the living room isn't a model.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

In Butts out Batts has a nice ring to it though. New name?

Battle is one of those culture players IMO. Losing him has real culture killer potential.

It is a shame that after this long we are still at a stage of selling off our good players to get more draft picks that we inevitably waste. We never win matches but we all circle jerk about how great the trade period has been when we go sell the cow for some magic beans.

Maybe so, but do remember that using your Jack & the Beanstalk analogy, Jack actually won
that one - he flogged the Giant(s) and got the girl. Sometimes magic beans turn out OK.
I’ve got some "magic beans" I’m planning on germinating in Spring - hoping for similar success.

 

[stavro#4]

Been telling people this for years but moving one out to get a gamble on a another isn't good list management.

Our midfield now has Dow- pick 3, Steele pick 20 something (academy), Crouch pick 2 (mini draft) and we have a few high pick on the list that are developing. Our natural pick will be top 6 this year and if we nail it we will end up with a quality mid.

Selling your kitchen to remodel the living room isn't a model.

Your level of pessimism is unmatched. Especially when it completely contradicts the crap you say you want.

For years you claim you want mids and top end of the draft.

It’s there for you this year and you buckle. Go completely weak at the knees.

If Howard and Butts are the same. Then why is one paid significantly more?

if we can get one who does the same job… for less, wouldn’t that be better?

Battle is a good player agreed. Battle is not a game changing player - who won’t make hawthorn a contender nor us unfortunately.

Take the emotion out of it and a deep breath.

 

[stavro#4]

Let’s chat about hope and the future and kumbiyah

Someone share this.

 

[Joffaboy]

Been telling people this for years but moving one out to get a gamble on a another isn't good list management.

Our midfield now has Dow- pick 3, Steele pick 20 something (academy), Crouch pick 2 (mini draft) and we have a few high pick on the list that are developing. Our natural pick will be top 6 this year and if we nail it we will end up with a quality mid.

Selling your kitchen to remodel the living room isn't a model.

Battle is not being moved out though, he is a UFA.
Has been reported he got an offer for $800k x 6. If he leaves it is his choice and one assumes the offer will be better.

I watched Battle closely at training yesterday. 800k x 6 is a really fair offer. He is no doubt worth that. Is he worth 900k a year though?
So if he leaves it is his decision. With age, money and games played taken into account, he will likely get us a band 1.

So this means 5 and 6 in a likely scenario.

I would prefer to keep Battle. The backline is the least of our worries but it may well become one if we lose him.
Fingers crossed he stays, but there is no way he is being forced out.

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[phantom13]

Watching Richmond beat up on the crows last night and seeing their potential ins for the next few weeks and seeing the Eagles have North this week I want full tank. Win one, maybe two more games this season. Battle for band 1 take picks 2 and 3 to the draft. Get two gun mids. Keep Van Es and let Van Es, Wilkie and Arie be the key back 3. 2025 develop and set that war chest up for LDU.
Mids rotation of 2, 3, Steele, LDU, Windy and resting forwards (get Zurhaar too cause why not). King, Owens and Camma with Collard and a refreshed Butler at those feet. Nas and Sincs roaming the wings and Pou as a floating forward.

2026-2028 3-peat thanks

 

[stavro#4]

Watching Richmond beat up on the crows last night and seeing their potential ins for the next few weeks and seeing the Eagles have North this week I want full tank. Win one, maybe two more games this season. Battle for band 1 take picks 2 and 3 to the draft. Get two gun mids. Keep Van Es and let Van Es, Wilkie and Arie be the key back 3. 2025 develop and set that war chest up for LDU.
Mids rotation of 2, 3, Steele, LDU, Windy and resting forwards (get Zurhaar too cause why not). King, Owens and Camma with Collard and a refreshed Butler at those feet. Nas and Sincs roaming the wings and Pou as a floating forward.

2026-2028 3-peat thanks

Imagine landing O’Sullivan and Smith.

But you can’t get Zurhaar. It would impact on FA compo for Battle.

And it would require some tanking.

 

[phantom13]

Imagine landing O’Sullivan and Smith.

But you can’t get Zurhaar. It would impact on FA compo for Battle.

And it would require some tanking.

Zurhaar and LDU next off season mate. No impact on Battle

 

[gringo2011]

Maybe so, but do remember that using your Jack & the Beanstalk analogy, Jack actually won
that one - he flogged the Giant(s) and got the girl. Sometimes magic beans turn out OK.
I’ve got some "magic beans" I’m planning on germinating in Spring - hoping for similar success.

Our magic beans seem to always be baked.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Watching Richmond beat up on the crows last night and seeing their potential ins for the next few weeks and seeing the Eagles have North this week I want full tank. Win one, maybe two more games this season. Battle for band 1 take picks 2 and 3 to the draft. Get two gun mids. Keep Van Es and let Van Es, Wilkie and Arie be the key back 3. 2025 develop and set that war chest up for LDU.
Mids rotation of 2, 3, Steele, LDU, Windy and resting forwards (get Zurhaar too cause why not). King, Owens and Camma with Collard and a refreshed Butler at those feet. Nas and Sincs roaming the wings and Pou as a floating forward.

2026-2028 3-peat thanks

Dowling went OK, taken the pick before Keeler.

 

[gubby88]

Am prepared to trade RTB for Nicks and Adelaide’s first.

Thats a bold strategy, Cotton.

 

[gubby88]

In Butts out Batts has a nice ring to it though. New name?

Battle is one of those culture players IMO. Losing him has real culture killer potential.

It is a shame that after this long we are still at a stage of selling off our good players to get more draft picks that we inevitably waste. We never win matches but we all circle jerk about how great the trade period has been when we go sell the cow for some magic beans.

to be fair the same thing was said about Brett Deledio and Ryan Griffin and to a lesser extent Grundy, Treloar, Phillips and Stephenson at Collingwood