List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[gringo2011]

I see this year Macrae's averaging 19.9 disposals from 15 games, well down on his career numbers. I'm guessing he's playing less midfield, more flank?

The Dogs listed him as a medium forward this year but he seems to be more running high HF. They seem to want games into their future rather than old guys and are pushing these guys out to pasture.

 

[gringo2011]

sam collins as well

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That was such bullshit the way they got him to GC.

 

[Diehard Saint]

32 year olds with a long history of injury don't usually suddenly come good.

You can still make the players feel wanted.

They did not shop him around.
That was totally up to him or other clubs who showed interest.
What if making them “feel wanted” is spending more on the cap than the club could, or wanted to!
By all accounts it’s not like he’s been low-balled.

If they actually said to him - we prefer you to go because we want your compo pick instead, that would be really bad, but do you honestly think the club would do that?

Can you imagine the reputation we would get.

 

[stavro#4]

They did not shop him around.
That was totally up to him or other clubs who showed interest.
What if making them “feel wanted” is spending more on the cap than the club could, or wanted to!
By all accounts it’s not like he’s been low-balled.

If they actually said to him - we prefer you to go because we want your compo pick instead, that would be really bad, but do you honestly think the club would do that?

Can you imagine the reputation we would get.

His narrative completely forgets that it was effectively a done deal to sign on again with us post round 2.

Then the clubs came and started flashing more money and we were struggling onfield.

 

[gringo2011]

They did not shop him around.
That was totally up to him or other clubs who showed interest.
What if making them “feel wanted” is spending more on the cap than the club could, or wanted to!
By all accounts it’s not like he’s been low-balled.

If they actually said to him - we prefer you to go because we want your compo pick instead, that would be really bad, but do you honestly think the club would do that?

Can you imagine the reputation we would get.

Supposedly said that much to Gresham. Go shop yourself because we want the pick if you hit the right band. It sounds like we are playing a very straight bat. Some players probably prefer honesty some obviously have their loyalty and ego shaken.

Howard and Membrey apparently told that we were going to trade them if a deal could be done. Billings told to look around by the sound of it too. For a club that has made life very easy for the players we have gone in completely the opposite direction.

 

[Diehard Saint]

One last thing and keep this in mind...

If we don't get band 1 for Battle it will be an absolute disaster.
Everything for this being acceptable is predicated on this.
Will alleviate the loss. Some pick 23 or some such would be appalling.

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Surely there’s a nudge, nudge, wink, wink from the AFL before this all goes through?
They have to know what Battle is being offered by Hawks.

I actually don’t even want to consider the explosions if what you are suggesting occurs.

 

[gringo2011]

His narrative completely forgets that it was effectively a done deal to sign on again with us post round 2.

Then the clubs came and started flashing more money and we were struggling onfield.

I'll see if Mowman can find out some more info from Josh's side.

 

[Diehard Saint]

His narrative completely forgets that it was effectively a done deal to sign on again with us post round 2.

Then the clubs came and started flashing more money and we were struggling onfield.

Maybe instead of us “not wanting him” it’s Battle “not wanting us.”
Which is a possibility if he thinks The Hawks have more upside.

 

[gringo2011]

They did not shop him around.
That was totally up to him or other clubs who showed interest.
What if making them “feel wanted” is spending more on the cap than the club could, or wanted to!
By all accounts it’s not like he’s been low-balled.

If they actually said to him - we prefer you to go because we want your compo pick instead, that would be really bad, but do you honestly think the club would do that?

Can you imagine the reputation we would get.

They can say this is our offer and that's it and when he goes back with what Hawthorn offered, they tell him that they'd rather him go than stay though. It's all speculation but generally if the offers are close you can easily settle it over a bit of negotiation. The club like the idea of the pick so as much as they say they'd like Josh to stay the tempter is the high draft pick. Anyway it's all speculation until we hear the outcome.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Supposedly said that much to Gresham. Go shop yourself because we want the pick if you hit the right band. It sounds like we are playing a very straight bat.
Howard and Membrey apparently told that we were going to trade them if a deal could be done. Billings told to look around by the sound of it too. For a club that has made life very easy for the players we have gone in completely the opposite direction.

More likely we said to them - you are free agents, this is what we are prepared to offer you on your next contract, of course it is your right to look around and see if you can do better.

 

[stavro#4]

I'll see if Mowman can find out some more info from Josh's side.

Go for it.

The truth will be that the club isn’t forcing Josh out and it won’t be Josh walking out.

Everyone will be happy with the outcome here (Saints Battle Hawks)

 

[gringo2011]

Go for it.

The truth will be that the club isn’t forcing Josh out and it won’t be Josh walking out.

Everyone will be happy with the outcome here (Saints Battle Hawks)

Until we find the next crippled spud with pick six and finish last in 2025 and pay Shiel more than we were prepared to pay Battle of course.

 

[stavro#4]

Supposedly said that much to Gresham. Go shop yourself because we want the pick if you hit the right band. It sounds like we are playing a very straight bat. Some players probably prefer honesty some obviously have their loyalty and ego shaken.

Howard and Membrey apparently told that we were going to trade them if a deal could be done. Billings told to look around by the sound of it too. For a club that has made life very easy for the players we have gone in completely the opposite direction.

They offered Gresham a deal which was considerably less then the deal he was on and ending.

It was rejected. We said we were happy to let the market dictate his offer if he thought he could get more.

They had a market value they thought they would let Gresham go for and that exceeded what our contract offer was.

There is nothing wrong with that course of action.

Be it Gresham Billings Battle or Howard

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

What do you do with the max king

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Max King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

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2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

1star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.4

5star

elephant in the room? Keep him and hope he goes from talented player who plays well one in 4 to Charlie curnow

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Charlie Curnow

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

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D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

. What happens if he stays at the same level.

Would you entertain pick 1 from North for him or parish and tsatsis from the bombers for him. You'd think sos and co would be thinking this now

 

[BrutThough]

What do you do with the max king elephant in the room? Keep him and hope he goes from talented player who plays well one in 4 to Charlie curnow. What happens if he stays at the same level.

Would you entertain pick 1 from North for him or parish and tsatsis from the bombers for him. You'd think sos and co would be thinking this now

There is no Max King elephant in the room. Please go troll someone elses board.

 

[stavro#4]

Until we find the next crippled spud with pick six and finish last in 2025 and pay Shiel more than we were prepared to pay Battle of course.

Shiel is contracted until the end of 2025.

Even if he gets paid more than Battle for 12 months. He is off our books or re-signed for significantly less.

Battle either stays or goes and gets us a top 5/6 pick. Clearly over his actual market value.

Dan Houston is apparently on the market. If Battle was in a similar position - Houston would provide a bigger return.

 

[Broski]

What do you do with the max king elephant in the room? Keep him and hope he goes from talented player who plays well one in 4 to Charlie curnow. What happens if he stays at the same level.

Would you entertain pick 1 from North for him or parish and tsatsis from the bombers for him. You'd think sos and co would be thinking this now

Not going anywhere based on the consistent communication from the club. It is very likely that Max will sign a long-term extension that will basically make him a one-club player. Probably will be on around $1.1 million per year, which will hopefully look like a bargain if he returns to full fitness and plays to the level he's easily capable of.

 

[stavro#4]

What do you do with the max king elephant in the room? Keep him and hope he goes from talented player who plays well one in 4 to Charlie curnow. What happens if he stays at the same level.

Would you entertain pick 1 from North for him or parish and tsatsis from the bombers for him. You'd think sos and co would be thinking this now

Our coach just said we are negotiating a deal that will see him play out his career as a saint

 

[botts]

What do you do with the max king elephant in the room? Keep him and hope he goes from talented player who plays well one in 4 to Charlie curnow. What happens if he stays at the same level.

Would you entertain pick 1 from North for him or parish and tsatsis from the bombers for him. You'd think sos and co would be thinking this now

There is no elephant in the room. We will sign him long term and he will be fine. We wouldn’t entertain a trade

 

[gringo2011]

They offered Gresham a deal which was considerably less then the deal he was on and ending.

It was rejected. We said we were happy to let the market dictate his offer if he thought he could get more.

They had a market value they thought they would let Gresham go for and that exceeded what our contract offer was.

There is nothing wrong with that course of action.

Be it Gresham Billings Battle or Howard

Nothing wrong with it as long as you don't go too far the other way and push players out that you want to keep. So far Gresham isn't a bad call unless Collard leaves and Gresham comes good.

At the end of the day the club has to move up the ladder or at least be in a better position with the list than they were when Lyon arrived. His game style is still a worry with low scores keeping sides in every match against us and no real obvious appetite to change it. This is his set up and he will ultimately wear responsibility for the build.

There is no wrong moves as long as they make us closer to a competitive side. At the moment we are worse but if they nail drafting and development it we should be better off.

Taking gambles on the playing list is something that they live or die by. Pelchen had a plan and if he'd hit the right players he would have been seen as a guru. Instead he nose dived the club for a decade. I prefer a stable steady conservative build because we've never had the discipline to do it since I've been watching the Saints.

We seem to be luckless with every gamble coming off as a loss. Like all gamblers you always feel like every loss is one roll closer to a win.

 

[Joffaboy]

No we'd be closer to completing a rebuild instead of starting one. I don't know how Hill recruited players but it was a good trick. He should have got his nephew in too.

Maybe read some articles. Known fact he helped with NAZ and was one reason Henry came over, but hey you would know more than everyone else

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[jimmytigs]

What do you do with the max king elephant in the room? Keep him and hope he goes from talented player who plays well one in 4 to Charlie curnow. What happens if he stays at the same level.

Would you entertain pick 1 from North for him or parish and tsatsis from the bombers for him. You'd think sos and co would be thinking this now

we back in the imminent deal he will sign soon,then hope for the best & not the hapless sookie lala with bad body language that im sure the most ardent apoligists cant deny

however if it goes pearshaped,we will lament a whole range of what could have beens as he departs for a f2rdp

fingers crossed that first game back in 2025 we are not looking at frustrated shoulder shrugs from our million dollar man

 

[gringo2011]

What do you do with the max king elephant in the room? Keep him and hope he goes from talented player who plays well one in 4 to Charlie curnow. What happens if he stays at the same level.

Would you entertain pick 1 from North for him or parish and tsatsis from the bombers for him. You'd think sos and co would be thinking this now

I flip flop on him. I'd take North's first pick and LDU for him now. I don't think the way we play suits his game and his career is being wasted. I think we could get more benefit from the midfield being bolstered.

It's a big gamble because you'd struggle to replace him, but maybe we could jerry rig with Caminiti and Sharman or something.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Gotta tell ya, if the club did their homework on Oliver and decided it was worth the risk AND we get a first round pick because we have the cap space that few do to take him on, I'm all for it.

Genuinely one of the best mids in the game, can't judge the output this year and compare it to others, basically had no pre season (granted due to his own actions) but even with 2024 level of output he'd still probably be our best mid.

There's no way we turn down a mid of that quality AND a first rounder lol

Yep I have to agree

If we have the cap space and it comes with a 1st round draft pick (likely 9 to 12) .... ala the Bowes deal ..... where do I sign

 

[luca77]

You'd think sos and co would be thinking this now

No, you wouldn't think that. Unless you're a friendless peanut trying to feel clever.