List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.3

[Tommy Wigs]

This is one way of looking at it - but it's not black and white as you are making it out to be.

I'm not saying Peckett isn't good enough but let's say the club assess he is not up to it, then why pick him and waste a list spot?

If a future father-son doesn't want to come to the Saints because we didn't draft a previous father-son because we assessed they aren't good enough, then they can literally GAGF. I don't want them at the club. And I highly doubt this scenario would even happen regardless.

Agree. He may also simply be unlucky in a very deep draft whereas in other years he may well be bid on in the ND

 

[thekizzler]

It's more about having demonstrated the pathway for our father-sons to show those that advise them whether its managers, parents etc. "Hey if you join our father-son program and commit to it (and have enough talent) we will draft and give you shot just like Peckett". Right now we have 0 success stories.

The gold-standard obviously is Collingwood with the Peter Daicos academy and the Bulldogs. We aren't at the stage where we can just pick and choose we still have to sell it to our past players. Wakelin is a good example because he could nominate St Kilda OR Port, I'm sure there is plenty more players like that down the track Josh Battle (LOL), Brad Hill many others.

It is a long-term play for what is currently a non-existent father-son program and we are severely behind the 8 ball. I'd much rather invest a 'guaranteed' list spot to Father-son and/or Academy players than I would to our VFL listed players.

Yeah, I don't think this is a thing whatsoever, aside from in your head.

And we don't really know if Peckett has enough talent? Or if the club has assessed that he has?

Maybe you believe he does, but lucky you have nothing to do with our list management decisions.

I honestly don't know if he does have the talent, the same as you, but hope he makes it.

At the end of the day, the club is going to attract players based on its general success and strength of list, not on giving father-sons a go that may or may not be up to it.

I'm not sure there is much else we can do for our father-son program other than pray our players have sons that are good at football lol.

The only thing I agree with is that a guaranteed list spot to a father-son spud would be better than a VFL listed spud. As the VFL listed players are going to most likely get picked in the mid-season if they are any good.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Yeah, I don't think this is a thing whatsoever, aside from in your head.

And we don't really know if Peckett has enough talent? Or if the club has assessed that he has?

Maybe you believe he does, but lucky you have nothing to do with our list management decisions.

I honestly don't know if he does have the talent, the same as you, but hope he makes it.

At the end of the day, the club is going to attract players based on its general success and strength of list, not on giving father-sons a go that may or may not be up to it.

I'm not sure there is much else we can do for our father-son program other than pray our players have sons that are good at football lol.

The only thing I agree with is that a guaranteed list spot to a father-son spud would be better than a VFL listed spud. As the VFL listed players are going to most likely get picked in the mid-season if they are any good.

No we dont know what our recruiters or the club are thinking, but posters are allowed their opinions without being ridiculed.

Have you watched any of Peckett's Coates League games and his VFL outings? When he stepped up to play with Sandringham he looked really solid and I thought he would make a decent recruit. As an 18yo playing for the first time in the VFL he didnt look out of place and adapted to the speed of the game quickly. He is not a Daicos esq father son but IMO he is worthy of a rookie position.

At what age do you think other professional sports indentify and start developing junior talent. Of course these kids now benefit from our clubs development program, and player development is one key factor we did poorly for far too long.

I guess the question is should Peckett be taken over a player from our agreement with Sanrdingham. If Sandringham had a stand out player available I would say absolutely not, but they havent. Either player will only be given a rookie 1 year contract so the club has to consider who they expect has the potential for improvement and future in a full time AFL environment an 18yo kid over a 22-25yo VFL player eg Peckett vs Hipwell.

You are right only the club are in the best position to make that call, but it shouldnt prevent supporters respectfully discussing the benefits on a forum.

 

[bergholt]

DARRAGH JOYCE

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

DELISTED BRING HIM HOME DFA

 

[King_Steele]

DARRAGH JOYCE DELISTED BRING HIM HOME DFA

Wouldn't be against it tbh

 

[Falchoon]

Schwarze, handballs to Riewoldt, who ignores the short option in Wulf and instead goes long to the goal square and GEHRIG!

Voss to Schwarze for the biggest sound heard at Marvel.

 

[saint66au]

I just want the best possible player at each pick. Sentiment can get in the bin.

 

[StCicatriz]

DARRAGH JOYCE DELISTED BRING HIM HOME DFA

not the worst idea

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Think I read somewhere Brisbane will re-sign Joyce as a rookie in November

 

[HeavenlySources]

Think I read somewhere Brisbane will re-sign Joyce as a rookie in November

we have pick 7 in the rookie draft #DarraghBack

 

[SaintsSeptember]

we have pick 7 in the rookie draft #DarraghBack

New topic Cole vs Joyce.

 

[hayes]

DARRAGH JOYCE

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

DELISTED BRING HIM HOME DFA

I don’t know how he’s lasted as long as he has but good on him.

 

[jumperfan]

New topic Cole vs Joyce.

Now that I would gladly read 500 pages about.

 

[Nutsngum]

I don’t know how he’s lasted as long as he has but good on him.

The issue with Joyce is that despite his defending being pretty decent and his work rate being good.. he just cant kick. If he could roost it and clear D50 it wouldnt be so bad but his accuracy in field kicking is just not up to scratch.

But yeah, he's forged a pretty good career so far which few people can do.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The issue with Joyce is that despite his defending being pretty decent and his work rate being good.. he just cant kick. If he could roost it and clear D50 it wouldnt be so bad but his accuracy in field kicking is just not up to scratch.

But yeah, he's forged a pretty good career so far which few people can do.

is it against the AFL rules for him to belt it with a stick?

 

[HeavenlySources]

The issue with Joyce is that despite his defending being pretty decent and his work rate being good.. he just cant kick. If he could roost it and clear D50 it wouldnt be so bad but his accuracy in field kicking is just not up to scratch.

But yeah, he's forged a pretty good career so far which few people can do.

Easy solution, handball to Nas, Sincs or Ari. Only 15m minimum kicks to leading players every player in the half back line should know to never let Darragh try and cook with a kick. Same as dougs tbh. I think Cole gets the same treatment when he comes in. Thats why we have these elite half backs anyway so they can take on the kicks out of d50 instead or run it out.

 

[Significant]

Why don't we just hold out an additional rookie spot for Peckett, that way if he gets randomly bidded on in the ND, we have the capacity to take him.

Of course, weigh that up with getting a delisted played in the PS Draft or SSP, but that would at least give some flexibility.

If he doesn't get bid on, you can get someone through those preseason avenues.

 

[phantom13]

I don’t know how he’s lasted as long as he has but good on him.

Hes tall and sort of athletic.

 

[maanco]

What are we expecting to happen with:

Tim Membrey

28

Tim Membrey

Age

30

Ht

188cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.1

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.8

5star

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.6

3star

linked to Collingwood
Jack Hayes linked to Collingwood
Ben Paton linked to gws
Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

linked to real estate
Other unconstructed Players. If there are any?

We currently have 4 list spots but could have up to 8

 

[True Believer]

What are we expecting to happen with:


Other unconstructed Players. If there are any?

Gee, I hope all our players are fully constructed!! Our medical room was busy enough this year, without having to put players together!!

 

[BrutThough]

What are we expecting to happen with:

Tim Membrey linked to Collingwood
Jack Hayes linked to Collingwood
Ben Paton linked to gws
Brad Crouch linked to real estate
Other unconstructed Players. If there are any?

We currently have 4 list spots but could have up to 8

Membrey to Pies day 1 of the DFA period.
Hayes to the SANFL
Paton to the country leagues
Crouch to try preseason then retire sometime in January.
Hotton also delisted.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

What are we expecting to happen with:

Tim Membrey linked to Collingwood
Jack Hayes linked to Collingwood
Ben Paton linked to gws
Brad Crouch linked to real estate
Other unconstructed Players. If there are any?

We currently have 4 list spots but could have up to 8

It all just depends on how the draft plays out.

At present the 4 list spots available go to #7, #8, #32 & #47... with Skunk spot's also clearly available too.

If we split picks or trade futures to get someone we covet (like Hugo last year) then Hayes, Hotton, Paton & Crouch's spots might be needed.

Then there's where the bids come for the NGA boys & Elwood.

SOS has certainly given us plenty of flexibility to get things done on the night (nights actually).

 

[L_W_P]

DARRAGH JOYCE DELISTED BRING HIM HOME DFA

I mean... It's not the worst idea.

Would I prefer we draft another kid to develop as a KPD? Sure. Have we had much success doing that over the last... 15 years? Nope.

Would play Joyce at FB before Cordy. COrdy's best work is as a 3rd tall forward, pinch hitting in the ruck.

All depends on what the plans are for Hammer I guess? Is he going to be FF or FB?

 

[akaifu]

What are we expecting to happen with:

Tim Membrey linked to Collingwood
Jack Hayes linked to Collingwood
Ben Paton linked to gws
Brad Crouch linked to real estate
Other unconstructed Players. If there are any?

We currently have 4 list spots but could have up to 8

All will depart

Whether Hayes or Hotton get invited back to train for SSP is another question

 

[Half Back Pocket]

I know this has probably been discussed, but do we know where we sit at present?