AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, p6, post 83)

[Swooop]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion

This article I found is a week or so old, and you guys and girls probably all saw it at the time, but it's a very interesting read, and looks to have identified thw ay the successful teams have played the Saints over the past few years.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/breaking-the-lyon-chain-20110520-1ewwy.html

I guess it's how most sides are combatting the forward press now, that is, kick more, and patiently work your way through the press, as opposed to handballing whereby the press just closes down on the ball carrier and the next receivers in the chain, till the turnover comes.

At least by kicking and marking, you can stop play if you choose, unlike after a handball receive, so there's a much higher chance of picking out a better option.

The article highlights the successful teams v saints have a higher kick:hanbdall ratio, and even up their season average significantly, when the take on St Kilda specifically.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/breaking-the-lyon-chain-20110520-1ewwy.html

Even though I haven't quoted from it, the link again.

 

[SA1NTER]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion

As long as Baker doesn't cheap shot someone, I'll be happy.

I will be disapointed in Bakes if that was the case, but I don't think he will be an issue. His reputation is really bad, yeah, but he is a nice guy deep down.

 

[mattys123]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion

Fun little stat;

Leigh Brown (if he plays) will become only the second AFL/VFL player to play 50 games for 3 different clubs.

Gratz Leeroy.

 

[Wooljay]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion

Fun little stat;

Leigh Brown (if he plays) will become only the second AFL/VFL player to play 50 games for 3 different clubs.

Gratz Leeroy.

I actually heard this little tidbit prior to the Adelaide game on SEN, and they were discussing how it was a 'cursed' record like the highest score for a debutant in a testmatch, and then when he didn't end up playing I got irrationally nervous for about 3 mins haha.

 

[Histrionics]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion

Lol'd.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion

Mods, please delete that filth picture of the rat on page 5.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion

Heath Shaw says hello:

 

[Bay Pie]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

Little doubt they'll be Toyota commercial about Heaters smother.

I wonder if Reiwoldt would like to be Heaters bunny again? No matter what Reiwoldt does/doesn't in his career he will be forever linked to that incident on a day of misery for St.Kilda.

 

[PieNSauce]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

Little doubt they'll be Toyota commercial about Heaters smother.

I wonder if Reiwoldt would like to be Heaters bunny again? No matter what Reiwoldt does/doesn't in his career he will be forever linked to that incident on a day of misery for St.Kilda.

Yep. Already it's the most enduring image of the 2010 GF. Poor bugger can't seem to take a trick. He'll forever be remembered either for that or for crying like a baby!

 

[Somebody]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

St K are playing a lot better, their trademark pressure is back with a vengeance and their structure has started working very well.
R Lyon is an innovative coach and should have some tricks up his sleeve. Don't forget GF1 when the lesser team almost stole the p'ship from us, and it could happen again this week if Lyon outcoaches MM.

REalistically it's not likely since we are better than in GF1, and StK are down 2 of their top 3 or 4 players. But you never know in footy.

 

[mattys123]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

Teams leaking through.

One change for us;

In: Leigh Brown
Out: Jarryd Blair

Gooddard named for the Saints, Blake is out though.

 

[damuzzdu]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

Selection news :

In Brown

Out Blair

this from AFL_PKeane off twitter

AFL round 11

Collingwood v St Kilda

Saturday 4 June 2011
MCG, 7:10pm





Collingwood

B: Leon Davis, Ben Reid, Heritier O’Brien



HB: Simon Buckley, Nick Maxwell, Heath Shaw



C: Dale Thomas, Dane Swan, Sharrod Wellingham

HF: Chris Tarrant, Chris Dawes, Andrew Krakouer

F: Alan Didak, Travis Cloke, Steele Sidebottom



Foll: Cameron Wood, Scott Pendlebury, Luke Ball

Int: John McCarthy, Leigh Brown, Dayne Beams, Alan Toovey



Emg: Tyson Goldsack, Jarryd Blair, Alex Fasolo





In: Brown



Out: Blair (omitted)

St.Kilda:

In: Steven Baker, Tom Simpkin, Tom Ledger
Jason Blake (Knee), Tom Lynch (Hand), Nicholas Winmar

New: Tom Simpkin (Geelong Falcons), Tom Ledger (Claremont)

St.Kilda:

B: Steven Baker, Zac Dawson, Sam Gilbert
HB: James Gwilt, Sam Fisher, Sean Dempster
C: Clinton Jones, David Armitage, Brendon Goddard
HF: Adam Schneider, Nick Riewoldt, Brett Peake
F: Farren Ray, Arryn Siposs, Stephen Milne
Foll : Ben McEvoy, Nick Dal Santo, Leigh Montagna
Int: Jack Steven, Tom Simpkin, Tom Ledger, Dean Polo

Emg: Raphael Clarke, Andrew McQualter, Ryan Gamble

 

[Zahki]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

Sub jacket is becoming the kiss of death.

 

[damuzzdu]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

It will be Leigh Brown's 50th game for Collingwood

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/115360/default.aspx

Brown will run out for his 50th game for the Magpies and will become the second player in history, after Glenn Coleman (Fitzroy, Sydney and Western Bulldogs), to play 50 games with three clubs. The 29-year-old has played 63 matches with Fremantle and 118 games with North Melbourne. 



http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/115360/default.aspx

 

[TradeDraft]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

Teams leaking through.

One change for us;

In: Leigh Brown
Out: Jarryd Blair

Gooddard named for the Saints, Blake is out though.

Be Interesting to see how Wood will go with Brown Backing him up.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

I await the usual 'Buckley can't kick' or 'McCarthy is not AFL standard' or 'let's drop Wood he's no good' style comments. Personally, I like the look of the team. Blair has been down on form and a spell in the VFL will do him no harm.

 

[Ron]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

It will be Leigh Brown's 50th game for Collingwood

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/115360/default.aspx



http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/115360/default.aspx

Heh the last time they said he would play his 50th he was a late withdrawal, hope he plays this week.

Glad he is back, gives us another option up forward and also means Dawes doesn't need to worry about doing any ruckwork meaning he can stay forward.

 

[Optimax]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

I await the usual 'Buckley can't kick' or 'McCarthy is not AFL standard' or 'let's drop Wood he's no good' style comments. Personally, I like the look of the team. Blair has been down on form and a spell in the VFL will do him no harm.

Keefe isn't playing

Clearly there are SELECTION MISTAKES!!!!!!!!!! Bloddy madhouse and his favorites

 

[Jesus Baulks]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

I await the usual 'Buckley can't kick' or 'McCarthy is not AFL standard' or 'let's drop Wood he's no good' style comments. Personally, I like the look of the team. Blair has been down on form and a spell in the VFL will do him no harm.

If you're looking for your daily dose of supporter vitriol, just head over to the 'This board's poor judgement' thread. McCarthy better start apply for jobs because his AFL career is already over according to some in that thread


Personally loving that Jmac is stringing some games together. He'll be the Macaffer of 2011, marks my words. Barring injuries, he'll play right through to finals I reckon and from there, who knows what will happen

 

[Zahki]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

I await the usual 'Buckley can't kick' or 'McCarthy is not AFL standard' or 'let's drop Wood he's no good' style comments. Personally, I like the look of the team. Blair has been down on form and a spell in the VFL will do him no harm.

You've got something on your shoulder...Looks like a chip.

Buckleys improved disposal has been noted, McCarthy deserves another chance I think everyone knows he needs to string a few more games together to get comfortable in the side and show what he can offer and Wood is no good, but who else is going to ruck with Jolly out?

I honestly don't know who you're railing against.

 

[jefffff34]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

I've got no idea what Ross Lyon sees in Steven Baker but I like the fact he sees it.*


*Note - I have had Steven Baker in a keeper fantasy comp for about four seasons, the only reason is because he is guaranteed a game every week and about 40 points.

 

[Kirby]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

Even though Blair is down I think he is a little stiff really.

Still, they will be looking to get a full game into him in the middle in the twos before they bring him back in to play on the ball against the Demons replacing Swanny.

Brown back is good and much needed for structure.

 

[anshell]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

St Kilda's forward line doesn't exactly look frightening,does it?

If we're on our game we should win this one comfortably.

 

[damuzzdu]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

With thanks to Nick Maxwell and his writer Kate Salemme they have allowed me to link this article on BF

http://www.nickmaxwell.com.au/2011/06/02/match-preview-collingwood-vs-st-kilda/

Match Preview: Collingwood v’s St.Kilda

- The Winger

Sometimes football has a mysterious mind of its own. Sometimes we don’t know why players get injured. Sometimes we don’t know why players miss easy goal. Sometimes we don’t know why players make the decisions they do. Sometimes we don’t know why our team is playing so well, or so poorly. Sometimes footy is so unpredictable that the impossible happens. Sometimes our teams and our players are defined by moments, games.

Saturday night is sometimes.

http://www.nickmaxwell.com.au/2011/06/02/match-preview-collingwood-vs-st-kilda/

Guys go and read really good

Re no tip by Kate - here's why

@Cwood_No_1_Fan @maxy_5 haha I never do a tip on a Pies preview, don't want to jinx!

 

[Wooljay]

Re: AFL Round 11 - Coll v St Kilda - Pre-Game & Selection Discussion (Lozza63's preview, pg6, post 8

I like their outs, and I wouldn't be surprised if BJ gets a late withdrawal - neck injuries are not to be messed with. You'd hope Woody would have a really good crack at it this week.