Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[giantroo]

 

[Marksup]

Clarko was genuinely holding back tears at one point in that presser. For someone who is so tough and measured that brought it home for me. He’s struggling.

In today’s world, where we have so much information around mental health, it’s a damn shame it’s got to this point. Hopefully a tipping point in this whole saga.

 

[remfan101]

Do not understand why more people aren't talking about Jeff Kennett in all this, considering his personal racism towards Shannyn Rioli is why the report happened in the first place. How did it end up covering exclusively the years he wasn't at Hawthorn? Seems so, so blatant and bizarre.

 

[Hazey1977]

Do not understand why more people aren't talking about Jeff Kennett in all this, considering his personal racism towards Shannyn Rioli is why the report happened in the first place. How did it end up covering exclusively the years he wasn't at Hawthorn? Seems so, so blatant and bizarre.

The obscure we see eventually, the obvious takes a little longer....

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[giantroo]

Kennett now wants it closed down.


‘Close it down now’: Kennett wants racism probe abandoned

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/jeff-kennett-wants-hawthorn-racism-probe-to-be-abandoned/news-story/c6c8d98fd69918db7dc4cdac07960838

Hawthorn racism: Jeff Kennett says he wants racism probe shut down
www.heraldsun.com.au

Former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has called for the immediate termination of the AFL’s “disastrous” independent investigation into allegations of racism at the club.

Kennett said the league’s eight-month probe led by Bernard Quinn KC had descended into “farce”and become “a lawyers picnic”.

He believes the claims made against former Hawks officials Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt by past First Nations players must now be “tested properly” in a court of law.

Speaking as a “concerned Hawthorn member”, Kennett declared “there is no way the AFL, the Hawthorn Football Club or any individual should at this stage be paying any compensation to anyone” until all parties had been given the chance to have their say in court.

“The panel has failed. It is going nowhere. To my dear friends Richard Goyder and Gill McLachlan, I say close it down – close it down now,” Kennett said.

“The inquiry was never going to work because it didn’t have the powers of a court, it wasn’t a royal commission, it wasn’t a judicial inquiry.

“It has turned out to be an absolute disaster for those who have made the complaints and for those who have been accused through the story telling …


Jeff Kennett believes the investigation should be shut down. Picture: Jason Edwards
“You have lawyers representing the AFL, the club, the players who have made the accusations, those who have been accused – and now you have lawyers appointed by the four-man inquiry panel and lawyers appointed to handle the mediation.”

Kennett said “the first great failing” of the process came with the leaking of the allegations to the ABC last September.

“Otherwise there could have been a process that dealt with this respectfully and legally,” Kennett said.

The “second major error” came on Wednesday night when Mr Quinn publicly released a statement explaining the reasons for its stalled investigation, Kennett said.

“Like the leaking of some of the elements of the inquiry that Phil Egan did, the statement was released to one journalist only and not to the community,” he said.

“And the details within the chairman’s release were a fundamental admittance of total failure on their behalf.

“This inquiry should be wound up by the AFL commission immediately. The accusations being made must now be properly adjudicated on – and that can only happen in a court of law.

“The courts will decide by jury or by judge whether the accusations are with substance or without.”

The former Victorian premier said he did not understand how mediation could be held “if the facts have not been determined”.

“There is no way, in my opinion, that mediation is going to achieve a thing,” Kennett said.

He said Fagan and Burt were quality men.

“In terms of Clarko, I will say this – he has an electric personality,” Kennett said.

“I have seen him explode on many occasions against non-indigenous individuals and if it is said that he made these remarks, the one thing I will say about him is, I don’t believe they were made racially at all.

“They would have been made as part of Clarko’s personality, which was a bit like a latent volcano, which explodes from time to time.

“If people want to judge him for making the comments at all, that’s a different matter, but they should take that to court and have the evidence tested properly …

“Hawthorn is a safe workplace, it has been for years, but it’s a big workplace and if anyone has overstepped the mark, I for one want to know about it.

“But it is not good enough for people to make accusations and then not be prepared to have those accusations tested.

“The four-man inquiry was set up as a result of the AFL wishing to be seen to be doing something quickly, but they didn’t give thought to the fact that the inquiry has no real powers at all.

“Compensation should only be paid when the facts are known – and the facts and the claims have not been contested.


“And if people are not prepared to have the matters tested in a court of law, their accusations fail and no compensation should be paid.

“The very fact that the lawyers representing some of the families have made 18 demands of those they have accused – without establishing the facts – only reinforces that this inquiry is a failure, expensive, going nowhere and should be closed down immediately.”

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Bit back early did old Jeff.

 

[r_boy]

Absolute flog Kennett someone needs to actually go him on this

 

[blackshadow]

Kennett now wants it closed down.


‘Close it down now’: Kennett wants racism probe abandoned

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/jeff-kennett-wants-hawthorn-racism-probe-to-be-abandoned/news-story/c6c8d98fd69918db7dc4cdac07960838

Hawthorn racism: Jeff Kennett says he wants racism probe shut down
www.heraldsun.com.au

Former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has called for the immediate termination of the AFL’s “disastrous” independent investigation into allegations of racism at the club.

Kennett said the league’s eight-month probe led by Bernard Quinn KC had descended into “farce”and become “a lawyers picnic”.

He believes the claims made against former Hawks officials Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt by past First Nations players must now be “tested properly” in a court of law.

Speaking as a “concerned Hawthorn member”, Kennett declared “there is no way the AFL, the Hawthorn Football Club or any individual should at this stage be paying any compensation to anyone” until all parties had been given the chance to have their say in court.

“The panel has failed. It is going nowhere. To my dear friends Richard Goyder and Gill McLachlan, I say close it down – close it down now,” Kennett said.

“The inquiry was never going to work because it didn’t have the powers of a court, it wasn’t a royal commission, it wasn’t a judicial inquiry.

“It has turned out to be an absolute disaster for those who have made the complaints and for those who have been accused through the story telling …


Jeff Kennett believes the investigation should be shut down. Picture: Jason Edwards
“You have lawyers representing the AFL, the club, the players who have made the accusations, those who have been accused – and now you have lawyers appointed by the four-man inquiry panel and lawyers appointed to handle the mediation.”

Kennett said “the first great failing” of the process came with the leaking of the allegations to the ABC last September.

“Otherwise there could have been a process that dealt with this respectfully and legally,” Kennett said.

The “second major error” came on Wednesday night when Mr Quinn publicly released a statement explaining the reasons for its stalled investigation, Kennett said.

“Like the leaking of some of the elements of the inquiry that Phil Egan did, the statement was released to one journalist only and not to the community,” he said.

“And the details within the chairman’s release were a fundamental admittance of total failure on their behalf.

“This inquiry should be wound up by the AFL commission immediately. The accusations being made must now be properly adjudicated on – and that can only happen in a court of law.

“The courts will decide by jury or by judge whether the accusations are with substance or without.”

The former Victorian premier said he did not understand how mediation could be held “if the facts have not been determined”.

“There is no way, in my opinion, that mediation is going to achieve a thing,” Kennett said.

He said Fagan and Burt were quality men.

“In terms of Clarko, I will say this – he has an electric personality,” Kennett said.

“I have seen him explode on many occasions against non-indigenous individuals and if it is said that he made these remarks, the one thing I will say about him is, I don’t believe they were made racially at all.

“They would have been made as part of Clarko’s personality, which was a bit like a latent volcano, which explodes from time to time.

“If people want to judge him for making the comments at all, that’s a different matter, but they should take that to court and have the evidence tested properly …

“Hawthorn is a safe workplace, it has been for years, but it’s a big workplace and if anyone has overstepped the mark, I for one want to know about it.

“But it is not good enough for people to make accusations and then not be prepared to have those accusations tested.

“The four-man inquiry was set up as a result of the AFL wishing to be seen to be doing something quickly, but they didn’t give thought to the fact that the inquiry has no real powers at all.

“Compensation should only be paid when the facts are known – and the facts and the claims have not been contested.


“And if people are not prepared to have the matters tested in a court of law, their accusations fail and no compensation should be paid.

“The very fact that the lawyers representing some of the families have made 18 demands of those they have accused – without establishing the facts – only reinforces that this inquiry is a failure, expensive, going nowhere and should be closed down immediately.”

lol

Jeff lit the fuse now he wants to put out the fire after the explosion.

Too funny!

 

[Farthers]

Kennett now wants it closed down.


‘Close it down now’: Kennett wants racism probe abandoned

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/jeff-kennett-wants-hawthorn-racism-probe-to-be-abandoned/news-story/c6c8d98fd69918db7dc4cdac07960838

Hawthorn racism: Jeff Kennett says he wants racism probe shut down
www.heraldsun.com.au

Former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has called for the immediate termination of the AFL’s “disastrous” independent investigation into allegations of racism at the club.

Kennett said the league’s eight-month probe led by Bernard Quinn KC had descended into “farce”and become “a lawyers picnic”.

He believes the claims made against former Hawks officials Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt by past First Nations players must now be “tested properly” in a court of law.

Speaking as a “concerned Hawthorn member”, Kennett declared “there is no way the AFL, the Hawthorn Football Club or any individual should at this stage be paying any compensation to anyone” until all parties had been given the chance to have their say in court.

“The panel has failed. It is going nowhere. To my dear friends Richard Goyder and Gill McLachlan, I say close it down – close it down now,” Kennett said.

“The inquiry was never going to work because it didn’t have the powers of a court, it wasn’t a royal commission, it wasn’t a judicial inquiry.

“It has turned out to be an absolute disaster for those who have made the complaints and for those who have been accused through the story telling …


Jeff Kennett believes the investigation should be shut down. Picture: Jason Edwards
“You have lawyers representing the AFL, the club, the players who have made the accusations, those who have been accused – and now you have lawyers appointed by the four-man inquiry panel and lawyers appointed to handle the mediation.”

Kennett said “the first great failing” of the process came with the leaking of the allegations to the ABC last September.

“Otherwise there could have been a process that dealt with this respectfully and legally,” Kennett said.

The “second major error” came on Wednesday night when Mr Quinn publicly released a statement explaining the reasons for its stalled investigation, Kennett said.

“Like the leaking of some of the elements of the inquiry that Phil Egan did, the statement was released to one journalist only and not to the community,” he said.

“And the details within the chairman’s release were a fundamental admittance of total failure on their behalf.

“This inquiry should be wound up by the AFL commission immediately. The accusations being made must now be properly adjudicated on – and that can only happen in a court of law.

“The courts will decide by jury or by judge whether the accusations are with substance or without.”

The former Victorian premier said he did not understand how mediation could be held “if the facts have not been determined”.

“There is no way, in my opinion, that mediation is going to achieve a thing,” Kennett said.

He said Fagan and Burt were quality men.

“In terms of Clarko, I will say this – he has an electric personality,” Kennett said.

“I have seen him explode on many occasions against non-indigenous individuals and if it is said that he made these remarks, the one thing I will say about him is, I don’t believe they were made racially at all.

“They would have been made as part of Clarko’s personality, which was a bit like a latent volcano, which explodes from time to time.

“If people want to judge him for making the comments at all, that’s a different matter, but they should take that to court and have the evidence tested properly …

“Hawthorn is a safe workplace, it has been for years, but it’s a big workplace and if anyone has overstepped the mark, I for one want to know about it.

“But it is not good enough for people to make accusations and then not be prepared to have those accusations tested.

“The four-man inquiry was set up as a result of the AFL wishing to be seen to be doing something quickly, but they didn’t give thought to the fact that the inquiry has no real powers at all.

“Compensation should only be paid when the facts are known – and the facts and the claims have not been contested.


“And if people are not prepared to have the matters tested in a court of law, their accusations fail and no compensation should be paid.

“The very fact that the lawyers representing some of the families have made 18 demands of those they have accused – without establishing the facts – only reinforces that this inquiry is a failure, expensive, going nowhere and should be closed down immediately.”

 

[DuckYeah]

Did Clarko just give a glancing punch to the back of Kennetts head? Build this man a statue! Hon. Alistair Clarkson

 

[DuckYeah]

Kennett is the biggest piece of shit this state has ever seen in any leadership capacity in history.

 

[Hojuman]

Kennett is the biggest piece of s**t this state has ever seen in any leadership capacity in history.

Amen to that brother Duck !

 

[Frank Thring]

Kennett is the biggest piece of s**t this state has ever seen in any leadership capacity in history.

Bolte?

 

[BigRedRoo]

 

[Mav]

Do not understand why more people aren't talking about Jeff Kennett in all this, considering his personal racism towards Shannyn Rioli is why the report happened in the first place. How did it end up covering exclusively the years he wasn't at Hawthorn? Seems so, so blatant and bizarre.

The same reason no AFL journos talked about The Boys Club when it was released. The AFL threatens thei AFL credentials if they go to hard, and Kennetts in the boys club.

 

[Passmore]

Bolte?

My nan used to mention him years after he finished…”oh, Bloody Bolte…don’t talk to me about him..”….yeah we didn’t, Nan, you keep bringing him up…

 

[giantroo]

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Do not understand why more people aren't talking about Jeff Kennett in all this, considering his personal racism towards Shannyn Rioli is why the report happened in the first place. How did it end up covering exclusively the years he wasn't at Hawthorn? Seems so, so blatant and bizarre.

Well, some of us have referenced it repeatedly throughout this thread, but yeah, it seems to have escaped the attention of those reporting on the saga.

Or, as I suspect, they've all been told to tiptoe around it, which IMO is making it impossible for the investigation to proceed effectively.

 

[Merlin007]

Do not understand why more people aren't talking about Jeff Kennett in all this, considering his personal racism towards Shannyn Rioli is why the report happened in the first place. How did it end up covering exclusively the years he wasn't at Hawthorn? Seems so, so blatant and bizarre.

Without being immodest, I've been banging on about Kennett from the start. How does Egan conclude everything got better after 2016, when his cultural review was commissioned as a result of the Rioli's rightfully taking umbrage at Kennett being a d1ck at launceston airport in 2018?

 

[giantroo]

 

[DuckYeah]

Bolte?

Kennett is worse.

 

[Frank Thring]

Kennett is worse.

Yeah you're probably right but it's close

 

[DuckYeah]

Yeah you're probably right but it's close

About as close as phar lap and black caviar

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Do not understand why more people aren't talking about Jeff Kennett in all this, considering his personal racism towards Shannyn Rioli is why the report happened in the first place. How did it end up covering exclusively the years he wasn't at Hawthorn? Seems so, so blatant and bizarre.

Because it was a hit job on Clarko from the get go.

 

[Frank Thring]

About as close as phar lap and black caviar

I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing.