Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[Gumble Frankieton]

A bitter Karl wrote the communist manifesto, a drunkard in London after failing as a journo.

One theory is that Martin Luther was many pints deep into the night when he wrote his 95 Theses in Wittenberg.

 

[Hojuman]

One theory is that Martin Luther was many pints deep into the night when he wrote his 95 Theses in Wittenberg.

But at least " he had a dream "

 

[Tiberius]

He was advocating a ahistorical observation/position, and while perhaps unintentional, it was an argument.

Was not.

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

But at least " he had a dream "

That would be MLK. Martin Luther possibly had some greasy fried food for breakfast and thought ‘oh shit, did I accidentally just start the Protestant Reformation?’

Fun fact: scythe accidents increased after several pints for lunch

 

[Makeshift Park]

Yeah, I'm not sure that was exactly the argument I was trying to make, but I'm sorry if my poor wording triggered you in some way.

Frankly its appalling to see your fiscal conservativism questioned after you left the imperial treasury with such a healthy surplus.

 

[ferball]

He was advocating a ahistorical observation/position, and while perhaps unintentional, it was an argument.

Real socialism has been a part of countless cultures throughout human "pre history" on every continent. But the Diggers led by Gerrard Whinstanley are a historical example of socialism that was working till various rich bastards set the cops and bully boys on them.

 

[Ischenko]

Ummmm…I’d think very carefully before describing socialist thought and/or theory as “ahistorical”. Uncle Karl and Marxism as the science of dialectical materialism is pretty strong on history.

 

[JGreezy]

Real socialism has been a part of countless cultures throughout human "pre history" on every continent. But the Diggers led by Gerrard Whinstanley are a historical example of socialism that was working till various rich bastards set the cops and bully boys on them.

I think that it can be lovely on a smaller scale. Especially if the group is generally like-minded.

 

[Hojuman]

That would be MLK. Martin Luther possibly had some greasy fried food for breakfast and thought ‘oh s**t, did I accidentally just start the Protestant Reformation?’

Fun fact: scythe accidents increased after several pints for lunch

Knew which MK you meant. Mum's Deutsche. Part of my early childhood education at St.Albans Melrose st. Nth. Melbourne.

 

[Hojuman]

I think that it can be lovely on a smaller scale. Especially if the group is generally like-minded.

Hippy

 

[JGreezy]

Hippy

After a week of sitting under flouro lights, arguing about contracts, and going home after dark, the hippy lifestyle sounds very appealing.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Ummmm…I’d think very carefully before describing socialist thought and/or theory as “ahistorical”. Uncle Karl and Marxism as the science of dialectical materialism is pretty strong on history.

Wasn't the point I was making, more so related to debating the degree to which the original Marxist theories and concepts have influenced later regimes and their policies.

But this really isn't the thread for it, so happy to take a PM (or see my 100s of related posts in the RC threads).

Real socialism has been a part of countless cultures throughout human "pre history" on every continent. But the Diggers led by Gerrard Whinstanley are a historical example of socialism that was working till various rich bastards set the cops and bully boys on them.

I had this near-exact same debate with you, way too many times.

 

[ferball]

Wasn't the point I was making, more so related to debating the degree to which the original Marxist theories and concepts have influenced later regimes and their policies.

But this really isn't the thread for it, so happy to take a PM (or see my 100s of related posts in the RC threads).


I had this near-exact same debate with you, way too many times.

The real problem with these situations - and it does actually relate to this thread - is autoritarianism. Its the way power is used and abused in whatever system. Communist Russia's, The US's or even Hawthorn's.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The real problem with these situations - and it does actually relate to this thread - is autoritarianism. Its the way power is used and abused in whatever system. Communist Russia's, The US's or even Hawthorn's.

Finally, I can use in Soviet Hawthorn jokes.

In Soviet Hawthorn, family club steals from families.

 

[R00StaR]

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Capitalists don't die. $money just passes on to dodgy entitled offspring.

How dare people do want they want with what they've earned!
We really should try the everyone being poor method of socialism, except the political elite and their pals

 

[Hojuman]

How dare people do want they want with what they've earned!
We really should try the everyone being poor method of socialism, except the political elite and their pals

PwC CEO steps down after tax documents leak scandal

PricewaterhouseCoopers Australia chief executive Tom Seymour stands down as the consulting firm feels the fallout of a partner betraying the trust of its biggest client: the federal government.

www.abc.net.au

 

[R00StaR]

Real socialism has been a part of countless cultures throughout human "pre history" on every continent. But the Diggers led by Gerrard Whinstanley are a historical example of socialism that was working till various rich bastards set the cops and bully boys on them.

Years ago i listened to an excellent lecture on its foundations.
You're right that is was how many small communities operated. But the modern movement was a counter to the enlightenment, individualism and industrial revolution movement.
The weird thing its the later which is actually progressive and socialism is the backward ideology. But i guess they had to rename after the failures of communism and socialism.

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

This is some classic and entertaining Big Footy thread warping Some serious discussions on communism, socialism and capitalism; and then there’s me suggesting pints caused the Protestant Reformation and the increase in scythe accidents after a liquid lunch

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

This is some classic and entertaining Big Footy thread warping Some serious discussions on communism, socialism and capitalism; and then there’s me suggesting pints caused the Protestant Reformation and the increase in scythe accidents after a liquid lunch

Totally all on me, sorry T’toes/KC.

Nobody expects the Protestant Reformation…

 

[blackshadow]

Totally all on me, sorry T’toes.

Nobody expects the Protestant Reformation…

**** it we need an inquisition!

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

Time to get this thread back on track.

I’ll start by stating that Communism, Capitalism, Soccer and Threesomes all have one thing in common … they all work best in theory.

 

[ferball]

Years ago i listen to an excellent lecture on its foundations.
You're right that is was how many small communities operated. But the modern movement was a counter to the enlightenment, individualism and industrial revolution movement.
The weird thing its the later which is actually progressive and socialism is the backward ideology. But i guess they had to rename after the failures of communism and socialism.

The enlightenment was inspired by socialist indigenous communities across the parts of the world that Europeans and particularly the French conquered.

Also fwiw - Marx penned his manifesto when workers were treated like shit, the monarchies and empires of europe still had absolute power in cases and mostly workers were treated like disposable refuse instead of with any real dignity. he wasn't writing it now. the idea that a working class person could afford to buy their own home, a holiday home and own a car (ie a horse and private carriage) or even a fishing boat. Ie could have that level of autonomy and also would work in industries where workers were not expendable and their lives had financial value (ie they weren't worthless and you pay if you **** them up while they work for you) and they were treated with human dignity.

If he genuinely though that was a posssibility he wouldn't have written what he wrote.

But its also not as simple as that. In terms of working class people on earth when we had those things in Australia (ie until neo liberalism really started working) we were globally in the 1% as far as income goes. Even if it was just a standard income 30 to 50 years ago. Same in the US. There was alot of extra input into our wealth that we didn't see.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Time to get this thread back on track.

I’ll start by stating that Communism, Capitalism, Soccer and Threesomes all have one thing in common … they all work best in theory.

 

[ferball]

BTW If you can't see how that relates to Clarko's situation I don't even know where to begin...

 

[ferball]

Time to get this thread back on track.

I’ll start by stating that Communism, Capitalism, Soccer and Threesomes all have one thing in common … they all work best in theory.

I think the truth of that is they actually all work best when they're off their face on drugs. Ask Maradonna.