News Bling to Adelaide???

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Given Adelaide are intersted in Tambling and Jacobs, Richmond are interested in Grigg and getting decent picks or players for Tambling & Thursfield and Carlton want to be compensated for losing a couple of kids they have put a few years of development into I'm wondering if all 3 could get together and work out a three team trade.


Looking at what each offers it could mean something like the following:

Richmond loses Tambling Thursfield & 28. Gain Grigg 14 & 18
Carlton loses Grigg Jacobs & 18. Gain Thursfield, Bock compo pick, Tigers second round pick
Adelaide loses 14 & Bock compo pick. Gains Tambling & Jacobs.

To get this done would probably require 2 seperate deals being done

Now I know some will say that this is too much in Richmonds favour but let me explain my thinking.

Richmond are losing 2 players who if fit this year would have played 22 games as part of our best 22, both are still contracted so obviously will require a good deal to get us to part with them. Given this is a compromised draft, these picks are equal to late first round picks in a normal draft year. In other words we're not going to get superstars with these picks but we should get 2 fairly handy players.

While Carlton are giving up their first round pick, which in a normal draft would be equal to a early second round pick, it should be pointed out that they are getting a KPD who should slot into the best 22 from round 1 next year. At the same time they are dropping down all of 8 spots in the draft and would still have 2 picks inside the top 30.

Adelaide are losing their first 2 picks this year but are getting 2 players that all things being equal would fit straight into their best 22 at the start of next season as well. Jacobs would be partnering Maric in the ruck, while Tambling, who has 100 games of experience, could easily fill one of the HB spots vacated by McLeod or Goodwin. I'd also like to point out that pick 26 for Jacobs is equal to last years Mumford trade where the Swans gave up a similar pick.

*sits back and awaits the abuse*

 

[NQTIGER]

RT i like it SCHMOOOOKING

 

[wizardmiller17]

That deal is ridiculously in favour of Richmond.

 

[Cutty]

I would love to see that RT but would there be any chance of getting it done?

Crows are stingy at the trade table re: early draft picks

 

[James23]

Tambling for our Bock pick. Keen

 

[partycorolla]

Given Adelaide are intersted in Tambling and Jacobs, Richmond are interested in Grigg and getting decent picks or players for Tambling & Thursfield and Carlton want to be compensated for losing a couple of kids they have put a few years of development into I'm wondering if all 3 could get together and work out a three team trade.


Looking at what each offers it could mean something like the following:

Richmond loses Tambling Thursfield & 28. Gain Grigg 14 & 18
Carlton loses Grigg Jacobs & 18. Gain Thursfield, Bock compo pick, Tigers second round pick
Adelaide loses 14 & Bock compo pick. Gains Tambling & Jacobs.

To get this done would probably require 2 seperate deals being done

Now I know some will say that this is too much in Richmonds favour but let me explain my thinking.

Richmond are losing 2 players who if fit this year would have played 22 games as part of our best 22, both are still contracted so obviously will require a good deal to get us to part with them. Given this is a compromised draft, these picks are equal to late first round picks in a normal draft year. In other words we're not going to get superstars with these picks but we should get 2 fairly handy players.

While Carlton are giving up their first round pick, which in a normal draft would be equal to a early second round pick, it should be pointed out that they are getting a KPD who should slot into the best 22 from round 1 next year. At the same time they are dropping down all of 8 spots in the draft and would still have 2 picks inside the top 30.

Adelaide are losing their first 2 picks this year but are getting 2 players that all things being equal would fit straight into their best 22 at the start of next season as well. Jacobs would be partnering Maric in the ruck, while Tambling, who has 100 games of experience, could easily fill one of the HB spots vacated by McLeod or Goodwin. I'd also like to point out that pick 26 for Jacobs is equal to last years Mumford trade where the Swans gave up a similar pick.

*sits back and awaits the abuse*

I love it!!! However I think that it is probably weighted in our favour too much to get done.... but it would be good!!!

 

[santa claws]

There are two ways of looking at it:

1. Seeing Tamblings upside. The guy had his breakout season in 09 and performed to the expectation of a number 4 pick. Then he entered pre season with injuries. He struggled with injuries all year and therefore could not get back to his form. If he is injury free there is a huge chance he will slot back to his 09 form, ecspecially considering the side will be improving and I believe Tambling is a guy who will shine in a good team. I think they call that a frontrunner or downhill skier, however those players are needed when you are in premiership contention. Would be worth keeping him because he would be at the very least in our bottom 5 players when we are going after the cup. If he is in our bottom 5 it means we have a very good team.

2. Trade him for a pick under 20. If we did this we may be able to land a player like Kieren Harper. This kid probably has just as much upside and x-factor, but is no certainty to ever make it past 10 games. YOu know Tambling has enough to make it at the top level if everything goes right, this kid is an unknown at top level, but could be a very very good player. Just using him as an example.

3. We get a crap pick say in the late 20's. The only way I can see the club going for this is if they are really keen on a kid they believe will be there or they know Tamblings body is stuffed. There is probably one more option which is that they believe that Sherman for example is an adequete replacement for Tambling and the pick secured for him will pay for Sherman.

Personally I would only want to get rid of him for a pick between 15-20.

the only two ways of looking at it are.

1 his 09 was an abberration on the 5 other ordinary seasons.
2 his 09 was a break out season (which wasnt that great by the way) and injuries have happened at the wrong time curtailing his progress just as he was getting on his feet.

personally im inclined to think the first and think him very tradeable i dont believe him to be a mid and he is a passenger when forward.
i can understand why the club and supporters would like to give him one more yr. the trouble is give him another yr and if he fails he will be worth a big fat zero in any trade.
i dont believe he will ever be an elite player or a very good one at that. he may become a decent player but if a top 30 pick were on offer i reckon i would take it.

 

[The MUF]

Given Adelaide are intersted in Tambling and Jacobs, Richmond are interested in Grigg and getting decent picks or players for Tambling & Thursfield and Carlton want to be compensated for losing a couple of kids they have put a few years of development into I'm wondering if all 3 could get together and work out a three team trade.


Looking at what each offers it could mean something like the following:

Richmond loses Tambling Thursfield & 28. Gain Grigg 14 & 18
Carlton loses Grigg Jacobs & 18. Gain Thursfield, Bock compo pick, Tigers second round pick
Adelaide loses 14 & Bock compo pick. Gains Tambling & Jacobs.

To get this done would probably require 2 seperate deals being done

Now I know some will say that this is too much in Richmonds favour but let me explain my thinking.

Richmond are losing 2 players who if fit this year would have played 22 games as part of our best 22, both are still contracted so obviously will require a good deal to get us to part with them. Given this is a compromised draft, these picks are equal to late first round picks in a normal draft year. In other words we're not going to get superstars with these picks but we should get 2 fairly handy players.

While Carlton are giving up their first round pick, which in a normal draft would be equal to a early second round pick, it should be pointed out that they are getting a KPD who should slot into the best 22 from round 1 next year. At the same time they are dropping down all of 8 spots in the draft and would still have 2 picks inside the top 30.

Adelaide are losing their first 2 picks this year but are getting 2 players that all things being equal would fit straight into their best 22 at the start of next season as well. Jacobs would be partnering Maric in the ruck, while Tambling, who has 100 games of experience, could easily fill one of the HB spots vacated by McLeod or Goodwin. I'd also like to point out that pick 26 for Jacobs is equal to last years Mumford trade where the Swans gave up a similar pick.

*sits back and awaits the abuse*

I like!!

and thinking about it if McLean was worth pick 11 then Bling should be around that mark?

 

[folester41]

adelaide are too smart to trade 14 for tambling or jacobs.

the compensation pick for tambling isnt enough, maybe chuck in one of their young players who needs more of a go.

 

[astro_toby]

Looking at what each offers it could mean something like the following:

Richmond loses Tambling Thursfield & 28. Gain Grigg 14 & 18
Carlton loses Grigg Jacobs & 18. Gain Thursfield, Bock compo pick, Tigers second round pick
Adelaide loses 14 & Bock compo pick. Gains Tambling & Jacobs.

So you are saying that carlton would be happy to lose Grigg, Jacobs and pick 18 for Thrustfield, pick 28 & 29.........

i strongly doubt it mate -thats ridiculous

 

[astro_toby]

Tambling for our Bock pick. Keen

as ironic as this is

Tambling for Bock - where do i sign?

Tambling for Bock compensation pick - no thanks- we want more

hence, how much the Crows got SCREWED by the AFL in regards to compensation

 

[_RT_]

That deal is ridiculously in favour of Richmond.

How is it so favourable to Richmond? We're giving up 2 players from our best 22, who also happened to be contracted. In return we're getting 2 picks, that in a normal draft would be late first early second round picks and a young player in Grigg. In return the Crows are getting 2 players who would be in their best 22 and while the Blues get a good KPD and 2 extra picks in the second round for losing a couple of player who are fringe players at best.

Sorry but if the Crows really want to add a couple of best 22 players to their list they are going to have to pay up.

 

[Goldust]

Given Adelaide are intersted in Tambling and Jacobs, Richmond are interested in Grigg and getting decent picks or players for Tambling & Thursfield and Carlton want to be compensated for losing a couple of kids they have put a few years of development into I'm wondering if all 3 could get together and work out a three team trade.


Looking at what each offers it could mean something like the following:

Richmond loses Tambling Thursfield & 28. Gain Grigg 14 & 18
Carlton loses Grigg Jacobs & 18. Gain Thursfield, Bock compo pick, Tigers second round pick
Adelaide loses 14 & Bock compo pick. Gains Tambling & Jacobs.

To get this done would probably require 2 seperate deals being done

Now I know some will say that this is too much in Richmonds favour but let me explain my thinking.

Richmond are losing 2 players who if fit this year would have played 22 games as part of our best 22, both are still contracted so obviously will require a good deal to get us to part with them. Given this is a compromised draft, these picks are equal to late first round picks in a normal draft year. In other words we're not going to get superstars with these picks but we should get 2 fairly handy players.

While Carlton are giving up their first round pick, which in a normal draft would be equal to a early second round pick, it should be pointed out that they are getting a KPD who should slot into the best 22 from round 1 next year. At the same time they are dropping down all of 8 spots in the draft and would still have 2 picks inside the top 30.

Adelaide are losing their first 2 picks this year but are getting 2 players that all things being equal would fit straight into their best 22 at the start of next season as well. Jacobs would be partnering Maric in the ruck, while Tambling, who has 100 games of experience, could easily fill one of the HB spots vacated by McLeod or Goodwin. I'd also like to point out that pick 26 for Jacobs is equal to last years Mumford trade where the Swans gave up a similar pick.

*sits back and awaits the abuse*

BELIEVE me, if Thursfield was going to be a 22 game player in our best 22 all season, he would simply not be looking to play elsewhere.
He's obviously been told McGuane, Moore, the Goo, Grimes and Rance are getting first look-in, so he's hitting the road.
I doubt he figures in our best 22.
Personally, I think he does ... I'd have him in the 18 most weeks, no fear ... but he obviously isn't rated there by those who make the decisions.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

must be lower than 20 however couldn't make your best 22 this year and when he did play he averaged less than 15 touches per game

Tambling clearly had an injury-ravaged year. That he managed 13 games was a miracle, and at least three of these he went off injured early and didn't play out the game. Hardwick also used him in a far more defensive manner than Wallace before him, and even sent him back to Coburg for a few games to impress upon him and enhance proper defensive methodology.

A better picture of Tambling's capabilities would be to look at the year 2009, when he was allowed a more free-wheeling (albeit less accountable) role. And I will stack his year as a 22 year old up against that of Geelong's Travis Varcoe (also as a 22 yo in 2010), as I believe the have very similar characteristics as players. Interestingly, both played 20 games in these so-called "break-out" seasons.

................... Ga.. K.. H.. D.. M.. Go.. B.. T.. FF.. FA
Varcoe (2010) 20 7.3 8.7 16.0 3.6 1.6 0.6 4.1 0.8 0.6
Tambling (09) 20 12.0 9.4 21.5 6.4 0.4 0.1 3.2 0.6 0.6

 

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So you are saying that carlton would be happy to lose Grigg, Jacobs and pick 18 for Thrustfield, pick 28 & 29.........

i strongly doubt it mate -thats ridiculous

Are you saying that Carlton are going to get a first rounder for each of them? Cause if you're not then I don't see how getting 2 early second round picks, in fact 1 of the picks would be before the second round, and trading out 18 for Thursfield(type of player who they have a need for) is that far off the mark.

 

[_RT_]

BELIEVE me, if Thursfield was going to be a 22 game player in our best 22 all season, he would simply not be looking to play elsewhere.
He's obviously been told McGuane, Moore, the Goo, Grimes and Rance are getting first look-in, so he's hitting the road.
I doubt he figures in our best 22.
Personally, I think he does ... I'd have him in the 18 most weeks, no fear ... but he obviously isn't rated there by those who make the decisions.

Thursfield is still contracted so I'd say he is still in contention for the best 22 if form warrants. My guess is that he sees that with McGuane and co on the list he might not always get first crack and has decided to look for greener pastures himself. Don't forget he was the one who put in the request for the trade, rather than the club deciding to put him on the market.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I personally think the Tigers should persist with Tambling. Given all the development they have put into him, they wouldn't want to trade him out cheaply and have it come back to bite them on the arse. Who knows if he was ever fulfill that enormous potential he has, but I think they should give him another year or 2 to prove his worth and consistency. He's only 24 and has huge upside.

I hear my team is keen, as we're looking for an outside player with pace. Geelong's highest pick is 24 in the first round. Maybe we could throw in Ryan Gamble to sweeten the deal, as he wants out for more opportunities.

I'd be surprised if we were...I do think Tambling is a fairly decent player (gets maligned more than he deserves IMO) but to me he'd just fill the exact role that Varcoe should and will move into (outside mid) and I don't see him being that useful for us as a forward.

I would think that 24 is a fair price.

I know Gamble may move on for opportunity so if Hardwick likes him then that could also form part of a deal.

 

[JRD_312]

So in theory we could get pick 19 in the 2012 draft for Tambling then?

If we are going to wait till 2012, then why don't we hang onto Bling for another year. We could always trade him in 2011.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Tambling clearly had an injury-ravaged year. That he managed 13 games was a miracle, and at least three of these he went off injured early and didn't play out the game. Hardwick also used him in a far more defensive manner than Wallace before him, and even sent him back to Coburg for a few games to impress upon him and enhance proper defensive methodology.

A better picture of Tambling's capabilities would be to look at the year 2009, when he was allowed a more free-wheeling (albeit less accountable) role. And I will stack his year as a 22 year old up against that of Geelong's Travis Varcoe (also as a 22 yo in 2010), as I believe the have very similar characteristics as players. Interestingly, both played 20 games in these so-called "break-out" seasons.

................... Ga.. K.. H.. D.. M.. Go.. B.. T.. FF.. FA
Varcoe (2010) 20 7.3 8.7 16.0 3.6 1.6 0.6 4.1 0.8 0.6
Tambling (09) 20 12.0 9.4 21.5 6.4 0.4 0.1 3.2 0.6 0.6

a fair assessment

IMO Adelaide would be a good fit for Tambling, we have plenty of inside midfielders in Thompson, Dangerfield and Sloane however we lack an outside player with pace that can run the lines

 

[MickyCrow]

Forgive me if this has already been posted, but our Bock compo pick is worth 26 THIS year, if you keep it for two or three years for the uncompromised drafts it will be a top 20 (19 or 20) pick.

Therefore satisfying the desire of most Richmond posters here for a top 20 pick.

Win/Win?

Welcome to Adelaide Richie?

Hope so

Edit: Apologies, I have just seen this was already posted

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Well according to some here he's the next McCleod so yes he probably would fit in....

If we are going to wait till 2012, then why don't we hang onto Bling for another year. We could always trade him in 2011.

And what if he has another poor year and decreases in value?

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Well according to some here he's the next McCleod so yes he probably would fit in....

Way to take what I said out of context It takes someone 'special' to be able to do that.

 

[richoatthedisco]

You jumped off Bling Mario?

 

[_Wang_]

Richmond supporters (without any bias), what is Tambling's true worth in your own opinion?

Late 2nd round pick at best

 

[dothebowdenshuffle]

Pick 29 and maric would be good.. I rate him as a ruckman

this. I don't rate Bling at all so reckon 29 is fair, Maric is a bonus. Strong body, experienced as a starting ruck in a finals team (08, 09). Good foil for Gus next few years.