Border Gavaskar Trophy, India v Australia, 2nd Test 17-21 Feb, 1430hrs at Delhi

[Around the Wicket]

lyon been poor for few years now, time for new crew take over after next few series, same as Warner, impossible for any NSW players to get dropped

Thats not the case.

v NZ 20 wickets @ 17.25
v India 9 wickets @ 55.11
v England 16 wickets @ 23.56
v Pakistan 12 wickets @ 44.92
v Sri Lanka 11 wickets @ 28.64
v Windies 12 wickets @ 21.17
v South Africa 10 wickets @ 26.20

His had two poor series, one against Pakistan on roads and the other against India, them aside his been Australia's best bowler.

 

[Around the Wicket]

I don't really get why we would drop Boland. Didn't take wickets but he did create pressure.

Quicks are only used for 10 overs a innings each in India so if Green is fit only need 1.

 

[illegaleagle]

Thats not the case.

v NZ 20 wickets @ 17.25
v India 9 wickets @ 55.11
v England 16 wickets @ 23.56
v Pakistan 12 wickets @ 44.92
v Sri Lanka 11 wickets @ 28.64
v Windies 12 wickets @ 21.17
v South Africa 10 wickets @ 26.20

His had two poor series, one against Pakistan on roads and the other against India, them aside his been Australia's best bowler.

Hes good against tail enders and poor teams. When you need him to win a game for you he never does. Just don't find him that threatening of a bowler. See his stats against india, pakistan and Sri Lanka aren't that good where the subcontinent teams are good against spin hes more ineffective.

 

[BGman]

But we haven't applied the same criteria for Warner, even though Head's recent form has been far superior".

Good Point. Warner is out of chips but CA still pick him. No room in cricket for sentiment. If he stinks up here in Delhi he must be dropped. With either Renshaw in his place or fly over the most consistent opener in Shield past three seasons.

 

[Westend]

Thats not the case.

v NZ 20 wickets @ 17.25
v India 9 wickets @ 55.11
v England 16 wickets @ 23.56
v Pakistan 12 wickets @ 44.92
v Sri Lanka 11 wickets @ 28.64
v Windies 12 wickets @ 21.17
v South Africa 10 wickets @ 26.20

His had two poor series, one against Pakistan on roads and the other against India, them aside his been Australia's best bowler.

Interesting that his recent record as a spinner on the subcontinent apart from Sri lanka is poor

we are talking about horses for courses aren't we

nah just joking still a fantastic player

 

[Westend]

Good Point. Warner is out of chips but CA still pick him. No room in cricket for sentiment. If he stinks up here in Delhi he must be dropped.

Will be interesting to see BGman...and the drums are getting louder

 

[sherb]

Hes good against tail enders and poor teams. When you need him to win a game for you he never does. Just don't find him that threatening of a bowler. See his stats against india, pakistan and Sri Lanka aren't that good where the subcontinent teams are good against spin hes more ineffective.

I looked this up. Wickets taken against batting order positions for Lyon:
1-3: 117 (25.4%)
4-7: 191 (41.4%)
8-11: 153 (33.2%)

Test Cricket - Nathan Lyon - Wickets by Batting Order Graph

Test Cricket - Lyon, N M - graph showing status (batting position) of batsmen dismissed by bowler

www.howstat.com

I thought I would compare Lyon's figures to Warne's.
1-3: 163 (23.0%)
4-7: 282 (39.8%)
8-11: 263 (37.1%)

Test Cricket - Shane Warne - Wickets by Batting Order Graph

Test Cricket - Warne, S K - graph showing status (batting position) of batsmen dismissed by bowler

www.howstat.com

They look quite similar to me, in fact Lyon is (by percentage) superior in wickets taken from 1-7 (66.8% to 62.8%).

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Quicks are only used for 10 overs a innings each in India so if Green is fit only need 1.

That would make sense if we had a decent spinner to come in but we dont.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Hes good against tail enders and poor teams. When you need him to win a game for you he never does. Just don't find him that threatening of a bowler. See his stats against india, pakistan and Sri Lanka aren't that good where the subcontinent teams are good against spin hes more ineffective.

You're right he definitely sucks against India.



Oh wait. That's Warne. Look it happens that you tend to end up with the worst averages against the best players of spin.

Lyon's stats stack up well enough to show he's been a great player.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

1 wicket on a spin friendly pitch, gets outbowled by a first test 22yo

“He’s been poor for a few years now”

Sure about that?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No, was mostly just you.

And I was right. Could have told you a month ago picking half the squad not fit isn’t a great idea

 

[Jim Prideaux]

I looked this up. Wickets taken against batting order positions for Lyon:
1-3: 117 (25.4%)
4-7: 191 (41.4%)
8-11: 153 (33.2%)

Test Cricket - Nathan Lyon - Wickets by Batting Order Graph

Test Cricket - Lyon, N M - graph showing status (batting position) of batsmen dismissed by bowler

www.howstat.com

I thought I would compare Lyon's figures to Warne's.
1-3: 163 (23.0%)
4-7: 282 (39.8%)
8-11: 263 (37.1%)

Test Cricket - Shane Warne - Wickets by Batting Order Graph

Test Cricket - Warne, S K - graph showing status (batting position) of batsmen dismissed by bowler

www.howstat.com

They look quite similar to me, in fact Lyon is (by percentage) superior in wickets taken from 1-7 (66.8% to 62.8%).

Great stuff. Think it’s more just a ‘vibe’ thing for old mate.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

And I was right. Could have told you a month ago picking half the squad not fit isn’t a great idea

Nah

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Nah

Worked so well first test lol

Almost as well as not having a warmup game in Indian conditions

 

[spenze]

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If you think that is bad, Michael Clarke has released his 11 and he is batting at 4 (Smudge has to make way for the great man) and will provide the left arm spin option

 

[Westend]

If you think that is bad, Michael Clarke has released his 11 and he is batting at 4 (Smudge has to make way for the great man) and will provide the left arm spin option

who is clarkeys 11?

 

[The 747]

who is clarkeys 11?

Michael Clarke x11

 

[Mikevk123]

1. Khawaja
2. Renshaw
3. Labuschange
4. Smith
5. Handscomb
6. Head
7. Carey
8. Cummins
9. Murphy
10. Boland
11. Kuhnemann

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Michael Clarke x11

If it means he doesn’t commentate I think we’d take it

 

[LukeParkerno1]

1. Khawaja
2. Renshaw
3. Labuschange
4. Smith
5. Handscomb
6. Head
7. Carey
8. Cummins
9. Murphy
10. Boland
11. Kuhnemann

Only way Kuhermann plays is if Green does. You need a second seam option.

 

[Jamurp]

Michael Clarke x11

Karlos Stefanovic 12th man.

 

[Cleavy]

Only way Kuhermann plays is if Green does. You need a second seam option.

Marnus can do that

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Marnus can do that

No no he can’t lol

 

[Mikevk123]

Only way Kuhermann plays is if Green does. You need a second seam option.

I picked one in that team. Green and Starc aren’t fit. Cummins and Boland with Murphy and Kuhenmann. Renshaw to open where he belongs. And Head in for Warner.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Only way Kuhermann plays is if Green does. You need a second seam option.

Boland? He’s at 10