Discussion Brendon Goddard to Essendon (Old thread)

[saintsrfreak]

Correct. He played more half back the last two seasons than in 09 & 10 so a drop in total possessions and contested ball is to be expected.

If he plays more in the middle with the Dons I would expect that to revert.

I disagree that he's played more half back but whatever.

 

[stkildathunda]

I wonder if 'sainter54' is regretting putting a bid of $200 on this signed jumper of Brendon Goddard yet! https://auctiondesq.imgstg.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=item&AuctionID=34386&OrgID=1709

 

[HighFlyer]

Took this list from Saintsational but it shows who was selected with pick 13, which is what we are expecting to get as compensation for Goddard. Not a bad list of players!!
2011: Taylor Adams, GWS - 15 games (15.0 per year)
2010: Seb Tape, GCS - 23 games (11.5 per year)
2009: Daniel Talia, Adelaide - 32 games (10.7 per year)
2008: Tom Lynch, St Kilda - 12 games (3.0 per year)
2007: Brad Ebert, West Coast - 98 games (19.6 per year)
2006: Jack Riewoldt, Richmond - 112 games (18.7 per year)
2005: Shannon Hurn, West Coast - 122 games (17.4 per year)
2004: Matthew Bate, Melbourne - 102 games (12.8 per year)
2003: Brent Stanton, Essendon - 182 games (20.2 per year)
2002: Byron Schammer, Fremantle - 129 games (14.3 per year)
2001: Nick Dal Santo, St Kilda - 238 games (21.6 per year)
2000: Ash McGrath, Brisbane - 188 games (15.7 per year)
1999: Robert Murphy, Footscray - 230 games (17.7 per year)
1998: Chris Lamb, Melbourne - 21 games (4.2 per year)
1997: Callum Chambers, West Coast - 66 games (7.3 per year)
1996: Tom Gilligan, Adelaide - 3 games (1.5 per year)
1995: Brad Rowe, Fremantle - 8 games (8.0 per year)
1994: Chris Hemley, St Kilda - 1 game (1.0 per year)
1993: David Ugrinic, Geelong - 0 games
1992: Andrew McKay, Carlton - 244 games (22.2 per year)
1991: Shane Crawford, Hawthorn - 305 games (17.9 per year)

And you get the Salary cap relief that might allow you to pick up another good player through trades, free trades etc. Talented youngster and maybe another good footballer of a similar age possibly.

 

[muttonchops]

Took this list from Saintsational but it shows who was selected with pick 13, which is what we are expecting to get as compensation for Goddard. Not a bad list of players!!
2011: Taylor Adams, GWS - 15 games (15.0 per year)
2010: Seb Tape, GCS - 23 games (11.5 per year)
2009: Daniel Talia, Adelaide - 32 games (10.7 per year)
2008: Tom Lynch, St Kilda - 12 games (3.0 per year)
2007: Brad Ebert, West Coast - 98 games (19.6 per year)
2006: Jack Riewoldt, Richmond - 112 games (18.7 per year)
2005: Shannon Hurn, West Coast - 122 games (17.4 per year)
2004: Matthew Bate, Melbourne - 102 games (12.8 per year)
2003: Brent Stanton, Essendon - 182 games (20.2 per year)
2002: Byron Schammer, Fremantle - 129 games (14.3 per year)
2001: Nick Dal Santo, St Kilda - 238 games (21.6 per year)
2000: Ash McGrath, Brisbane - 188 games (15.7 per year)
1999: Robert Murphy, Footscray - 230 games (17.7 per year)
1998: Chris Lamb, Melbourne - 21 games (4.2 per year)
1997: Callum Chambers, West Coast - 66 games (7.3 per year)
1996: Tom Gilligan, Adelaide - 3 games (1.5 per year)
1995: Brad Rowe, Fremantle - 8 games (8.0 per year)
1994: Chris Hemley, St Kilda - 1 game (1.0 per year)
1993: David Ugrinic, Geelong - 0 games
1992: Andrew McKay, Carlton - 244 games (22.2 per year)
1991: Shane Crawford, Hawthorn - 305 games (17.9 per year)

I reckon 12 of the 21 are decent picks you would be happy with. So i guess it is nearly a 50/50 shot you get a good player for that pick. Good luck with it.

 

[stkildathunda]

"All I can do is assure our fans that we are in a very aggressive position now to rebuild and rebuild our list not just for next year but for the next four or five years." - Scott Watters

 

[Jay C]

"All I can do is assure our fans that we are in a very aggressive position now to rebuild and rebuild our list not just for next year but for the next four or five years." - Scott Watters

Actions are stronger than words.

 

[Tas]

If you need 2 or 3 years to refresh the list then it is better to have some short-term pain and get more quality in as long as you have enough core senior players so the kids coming in are coming into a strong and stable environment.

This is meant to be a very good draft up to 15 or so with a lot of quality development prospects there as well so you would be fairly optimistic about putting a fair bit of talent on the list this pre-season.

 

[Defacto_NotRed]

i guess goddard couldnt deal with dieing from trying to win a flag for us

 

[Falchoon]

I reckon 12 of the 21 are decent picks you would be happy with. So i guess it is nearly a 50/50 shot you get a good player for that pick. Good luck with it.

Ignore anything pre 2000 and it's a good strike rate, Tom Lynch aside.

 

[LachyF]

U should try and pick up a Jordan russell type or mabey try for heath Scotland

 

[Tragic sainter]

U should try and pick up a Jordan russell type or mabey try for heath Scotland

Lol

 

[mysainters]

I just think proceed with caution before pinning all your hopes on the new guy, by all means be optimistic, but I'm not sure the cause for congratulations just yet.

Fact is we chose to retain Peake and Polo (and to a lesser extent Peake and Ray) by offering them new contracts at the end of last year...and allowed Dawson to leave.

I just hope the direction is sure.

 

[SaintLex]

I don't know if this has already been posted, but worth a read, especially if you believe that the club didn't try hard enough for BJ:

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-foo...-more-than-500000-to-stay/20121001-26unq.html

 

[saintsrfreak]

I don't know if this has already been posted, but worth a read, especially if you believe that the club didn't try hard enough for BJ:

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-foo...-more-than-500000-to-stay/20121001-26unq.html

"Significantly more than $500k"
Over to you Brian

 

[Squizz]

I don't know if this has already been posted, but worth a read, especially if you believe that the club didn't try hard enough for BJ:
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-foo...-more-than-500000-to-stay/20121001-26unq.html

Absolutely - thanks Lex.

Watters said reports that the contract offered to Goddard by his club of ten years was around the $500,000 were 'ludicrous'. "It was certainly a lot more significant than that," he said.

 

[sauce_head]

"Significantly more than $500k"
Over to you Brian

Wonder if they moved to $510k? I think that is significant.

Certainly reads like a well balanced and informed article.

 

[CHBench]

http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/watters-hits-out-at-goddard-201356

Scott Watters lashes out...using Brendon's words.

 

[saintsrfreak]

http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/watters-hits-out-at-goddard-201356

Scott Watters lashes out...using Brendon's words.

"Gone are the days where you can negotiate just to keep one marquee player at the expense of the rest of your list.
"Perhaps historically we have been a club that has gone down that path on occasions. But the club will always be bigger than any individual."
I love Watters

 

[Sunshine Saint]

I don't know if this has already been posted, but worth a read, especially if you believe that the club didn't try hard enough for BJ:

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-foo...-more-than-500000-to-stay/20121001-26unq.html

Thanks for that SaintLex. What an interesting article. Amazing, but inevitable that the truth eventually comes out.

Watters said reports that the contract offered to Goddard by his club of ten years was around the $500,000 were 'ludicrous'.​

"It was certainly a lot more significant than that," he said.​

"The reason is money. It's that simple," Watters said. "Really there's nothing outside of that."​

Now isn't that dramatically different from purported facts, that have been passed on as accurate, on here. As has also been said many times, the club was being managed professionally and is on the right track.
Hollow claims of being torn at going, loyalty to the club, etc etc all were tissue thin and of no substance. The move was purely for $$$$$$$$$. No problem, that he doesn't want to be at St Kilda, but don't play us for fools, with the charade along the way.

 

[TassieSaint]

I think I've calmed down a bit but I'm still bitterly disappointed by this. I would love nothing more than for us to pick up the next Dal Santo whilst Goddard spuds it up at the Bombers for 4 years, I just can't see that happening.

 

[Squizz]

http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/watters-hits-out-at-goddard-201356

Goddard (was) demanding more than $600,000 per season.

"We weren't fooling with that offer. That was a significant and serious offer"

"We didn't need to go back and present something else because the offer that we made was a legitimate, significant offer."

Watters said St Kilda would consider on-trading the compensation pick ... with ... Caddy a potential target.

"All I can do is assure our fans that we are in a very aggressive position now to rebuild and rebuild our list not just for next year but for the next four or five years."

 

[Sunshine Saint]

Goddard (was) demanding more than $600,000 per season.

"We weren't fooling with that offer. That was a significant and serious offer"

"We didn't need to go back and present something else because the offer that we made was a legitimate, significant offer."

Watters said St Kilda would consider on-trading the compensation pick ... with ... Caddy a potential target.

"All I can do is assure our fans that we are in a very aggressive position now to rebuild and rebuild our list not just for next year but for the next four or five years."

Watters and co are getting criticism for BJ leaving. At the end of the day his emphasis on the team and building a list for the next four or five years plus, will win out.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

When will we officially find out what the compensation pick is?

 

[Plugger35]

Well those reports would seem to contradict the reports we were low balling Goddard with an unreasonable offer so a bit harder to feel sympathy for him.

It looks like we gave him a reasonable offer but he just decided he wanted more money at Essendon. He couldn't expect us to offer more based on his recent form. Disappointing to lose a star player and club favourite but you can't just pay extra dollars on name and reputation when the output doesn't back it up.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

To be honest I'm not that bothered he's gone. It's proberly better we have that bit more cash and a draft pick to play around with. St Kilda in my mind played this well.