Changes for Round 16 v Essendon at Docklands

[September_Glory]

He is poor when not under pressure and a massive danger to our team morale.

Care to elaborate? He seems pretty well liked.

Also don't agree with the 'slow plodder' comment.

Where people get the idea he deserves more is beyond the evidence available after almost 3 seasons.

Who's god son is he?

Hey, I'm with you (read the Free pass/Whipping boys thread) but he is simply too talented for us not to explore the possibilities. 3 seasons yes, but take out injuries and look at no. of games.

The fact we drafted him at #3 playing as a inside mid/ruck rover and haven't played him there consistently is beyond me. His most important development years are being jerked around because the coaches don't have the balls, and the confidence in him, to let him "sink or swim".

Never thought I'ld be the one defending Masten, enough ppl on here already do, but his talents deserve a genuine chance to develop; not 60% ground time with most of that in a non-preferred position. Look at what Hardwick has done at Richmond. The good ones will always find a way to make an impact and as of right now, he hasn't been afforded the chance.

 

[WCE_phil]

Outs

Ebert
Waters inj.
priddis

Ins

Houlihan
Stevens
Hurn

 

[whichone]

It's hard to say whether Lynch had a good or bad game. I mean he took a couple of good marks, a nice long switch across half forward to Sheppard, but he made some absolutely horrible errors. Errors that a senior player just should not be making. If we keep Brown down back, who comes in? McKinley could come in and snag a few but could just as easily come in and do absolutely nothing, in which case everyone will bag Woosh for dropping Lynch.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Lynch was pretty good from my POV. Did some dumb things, but that's just Q

and this is where why we are so shit. its because idiotic decisions by players and accept and say hey its ok hes a saint. i call bullshit and he should be dropped. his role is a full forward yet he jeopardises the ruck, kennedys positioning and a chance for a young player to play

 

[SwiftforPM]

Bring in Kerr, Shuey, Swift, Butler, Hurn, and Glass.

 

[SwiftforPM]

It's hard to say whether Lynch had a good or bad game. I mean he took a couple of good marks, a nice long switch across half forward to Sheppard, but he made some absolutely horrible errors. Errors that a senior player just should not be making. If we keep Brown down back, who comes in? McKinley could come in and snag a few but could just as easily come in and do absolutely nothing, in which case everyone will bag Woosh for dropping Lynch.

We are a KPF short on our list. Wison hasn't shown much and who knows if Notte will ever come good, he has all the skills, but no stamina and is still needs to put on another 5 - 10kgs.

 

[WCE_phil]

We are a KPF short on our list. Wison hasn't shown much and who knows if Notte will ever come good, he has all the skills, but no stamina and is still needs to put on another 5 - 10kgs.

I really think this needs pointing out with a major alteration. We arent a KPF short on our list. We are a genuine FF short on our list. We have plenty of CHF types there but no real FF's to straighten us up and lead from the square up the guts. We need a FF and 2 genuine small forwards. Lecca is midfield bound.

 

[whichone]

We are a KPF short on our list. Wison hasn't shown much and who knows if Notte will ever come good, he has all the skills, but no stamina and is still needs to put on another 5 - 10kgs.

I really think this needs pointing out with a major alteration. We arent a KPF short on our list. We are a genuine FF short on our list. We have plenty of CHF types there but no real FF's to straighten us up and lead from the square up the guts. We need a FF and 2 genuine small forwards. Lecca is midfield bound.

Yep, agree completely. I think we need to give Wilson another go at FF before the season is out (as the sole FF, no Lynch), but I'm yet to see something from him that suggests he'll be a long term FF for us. Fingers crossed Notte comes good

 

[The Falcon Strike]

love the bagging of lynch - was twice the player kennedy was today.

had two horrible turnovers - one of which cost a goal - but he had a direct hand in setting up 3 goals through tremendous long penetrating passes, was involved in 2 chains that lead two other goals from kickouts - and it was his hard work forcing an aerial contest, then a 2nd effort on the ground that lead to lecras' 1st goal.

in terms of his net effect on the game - he was far superior to kennedy - and behind lecras was our best forward.

but people seem to highlight lynch's mistakes, but forgive or gloss over lecras' horrendous turnover in the 4th, smith and sheppard running past the ball gifting henderson a goal, stevenson squibbing a contest in the 4th. get some perspective and lose the hate

lynch isn't a gun, but see his performances for what they are, not what you want them to be

 

[SwiftforPM]

I really think this needs pointing out with a major alteration. We arent a KPF short on our list. We are a genuine FF short on our list. We have plenty of CHF types there but no real FF's to straighten us up and lead from the square up the guts. We need a FF and 2 genuine small forwards. Lecca is midfield bound.

Fair enough we definately need a FF, but I don't see that we have any other good options for our CHF position if (touch wood) Kennedy gets injured.
We really need to target 2 KPF over the next couple of drafts/trade periods.

 

[archiemoses]

Care to elaborate? He seems pretty well liked.

Also don't agree with the 'slow plodder' comment.



Hey, I'm with you (read the Free pass/Whipping boys thread) but he is simply too talented for us not to explore the possibilities. 3 seasons yes, but take out injuries and look at no. of games.

The fact we drafted him at #3 playing as a inside mid/ruck rover and haven't played him there consistently is beyond me. His most important development years are being jerked around because the coaches don't have the balls, and the confidence in him, to let him "sink or swim".

Never thought I'ld be the one defending Masten, enough ppl on here already do, but his talents deserve a genuine chance to develop; not 60% ground time with most of that in a non-preferred position. Look at what Hardwick has done at Richmond. The good ones will always find a way to make an impact and as of right now, he hasn't been afforded the chance.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

I really don't rate Essendon, they along with Melbourne and us aren't too far apart in terms of quality. It would be an absolute disgrace if we get smashed in this one. The Bombers's speed is their only quality, hopefully we can keep up.

 

[bodazoka]

Swift. mcginnity and hurn all chances to get up next weekend. waters will likely be out for at least 2.

In: Hurn, Swift
Out: Waters, Jones

 

[Eastern Rangers]

On todays form Bones should stay in. Hurn must earn his place back as must all players.

What?

Like Embley, Nicoski and B.Jones?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

love the bagging of lynch - was twice the player kennedy was today.

Was his best game for the year.

The reality is that Kennedy struggles when Lynch pushes up the ground, Lynch is a poor set shot and id rather we got the ball into Kennedy's hands more than his.

Lynch won't survive playing his current brand of football, so while he was more effective than "Normal" he is a real liability going the other way. He isn't good enough often enough to play as a forward flanker.

It's unfortunate he's playing but the question needs to be asked who is going to replace him?

 

[Rids]

Out: Ebert In: Swift
Out: Waters In: Hurn

If it turns out Waters if fit then I would be tempted to omit Masten - and I am sick of this butter soft excuse that he plays too much up forward. Had a good stint on the wing today and whilst getting plenty of the ball his ball use was just woeful. Most midfielders in the league can impact a game from the half forward flank too (in fact most HFF were drafted as mids) and his consistent failure to contribute reflects poorly on him rather than the coaching staff.

I was no fan of the Lynch and Bones inclusions but I wouldn't have thought you could possibly drop them after today - Bones in particular was really good I thought.

 

[Cuzz09]

I really don't rate Essendon, they along with Melbourne and us aren't too far apart in terms of quality. It would be an absolute disgrace if we get smashed in this one. The Bombers's speed is their only quality, hopefully we can keep up.

Actually their midfield isnt that quick as previous times, against Adelaide they looked slow and fumbly.

But it is at the Dome and we know how well we play there

OUT: Waters, Ebert (seriously the worst player in the AFL )

IN: Hurn, Houlihan

I reckon this one will be close.... either team by under 15.5

 

[larrikin]

love the bagging of lynch - was twice the player kennedy was today.

had two horrible turnovers - one of which cost a goal - but he had a direct hand in setting up 3 goals through tremendous long penetrating passes, was involved in 2 chains that lead two other goals from kickouts - and it was his hard work forcing an aerial contest, then a 2nd effort on the ground that lead to lecras' 1st goal.

in terms of his net effect on the game - he was far superior to kennedy - and behind lecras was our best forward.

but people seem to highlight lynch's mistakes, but forgive or gloss over lecras' horrendous turnover in the 4th, smith and sheppard running past the ball gifting henderson a goal, stevenson squibbing a contest in the 4th. get some perspective and lose the hate

lynch isn't a gun, but see his performances for what they are, not what you want them to be

Good post

 

[W.C. Fry]

Lynch was decent - his best game of the year. He plays best when he is delivering inside the 50 instead of playing deep in the 50 and having shots on goal. Should be told to never step foot inside the forward 50.

Ebert wont get dropped. 10 tackles shows how hard he is working. Much rather Masten to be dropped over Ebert. Masten needs a real kick up the ass. Played 1 decent game in the WAFL and was rushed back in - maybe he thinks #3 picks just deserve spots in the 22 and dont need to work for it?

 

[Shtav]

Lynch was decent - his best game of the year. He plays best when he is delivering inside the 50 instead of playing deep in the 50 and having shots on goal. Should be told to never step foot inside the forward 50.

Ebert wont get dropped. 10 tackles shows how hard he is working. Much rather Masten to be dropped over Ebert. Masten needs a real kick up the ass. Played 1 decent game in the WAFL and was rushed back in - maybe he thinks #3 picks just deserve spots in the 22 and dont need to work for it?

Totally agree. Ebert is not setting the place on fire, (still young) but he works hard and I thought his disposal was better yesterday. 10 Tackles indeed. Would be a good one to replace Priddis in time.

Masten looks like he needs more time in the WAFL. Or we carry him until he comes good if we believe in him.

OUT: WATERS (Inj)
IN: Hurn


Leave Masten for one more week. If not good bring in Stevens or Swift.

 

[Luke124]

Leave Masten in. He is clearly being played out of position as a high forward. Why I am not sure? Woosha did this early in the season with little affect. He needs to play in the guts. I think after he gets some match time under his belt thats where they will play him and he will come good....

Give him time. He is still very young.

 

[mezaire]

Hey guys,

Only saw the last qtr as I had to work but just an interesting thoughts....

Saw Stevenson and Smith kick fantastic goals from 50 out, something we have really needed from our mids over the last years (or 2). Also asssuming Bones was pretty good and stays could we play Smith and/or Stevo on a HFF/wing at times?

The best teams (Geelong, Saints) have up to 12 players they can rotate through the midfield and with what these 2 showed in the last I think they could be ratated through the midfield and even up fwd, making our midfield rotations with current injuries;
Priddis, A. Selwood, Scooter, Masten, Ebert, Sheppard, Rosa, Embley, Strijk, Lecca, Stevo and Smith.

Add to that Swift, Houlihan, Stevens, Dalziell and Shuey who should be coming back soon and we have again choice in the mids.

I personally think that by the end of the year the automatic selections will be A. Selwood, Scooter, Shep, Rosa, Strijk, Lecca, Stevo, Smith, Swift, Houlihan and Shuey. The beauty of this bunch os that we have 5-6 swing men who can go fwd and kick goals or go back to plug holes.
This will leave Masten, Ebert, Embley, Stevens, Dalziell and eventually Kerr fighting for the last 2 midfield rotation spots, depending on injuries.

Now we just need to sort out or FF sport and we might start looking better!!!

Out of interest my team for next week assuming Waters (corkie according the the TV this morning) Swift and Hurn fit

Stevo, EMac, Schoey
Hurn, Brown, Waters
Rosa, Priddis, Swift
Strijk, Lynch, Shep
Lecca, Kennedy, Hams

Foll: Cox, Houlihan, Scooter
Int: Nicnat, Smith, Masten, A. Selwood

In: Swift, Houlihan, Hurn
Out: Bones, Embley, Ebert

I honestly think this is our best 22 with current injuries/form and taking into account getting games into young guys.
Against the bombers this team has enough pace, a fwd line to worry them and a back line that should handle Neagle and Gumby OK.

Mez

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Was his best game for the year.

The reality is that Kennedy struggles when Lynch pushes up the ground, Lynch is a poor set shot and id rather we got the ball into Kennedy's hands more than his.

Lynch won't survive playing his current brand of football, so while he was more effective than "Normal" he is a real liability going the other way. He isn't good enough often enough to play as a forward flanker.

It's unfortunate he's playing but the question needs to be asked who is going to replace him?

I just think Kennedy has been a bit out of form for the last few weeks - nothing to do with Lynch. Lynch up the ground shouldn't affect how many marks Kennedy gets inside 50m -= the problem is he hasn't been finding space to demand the ball the last few weeks.

Lynch up the ground was providing some good get out options for our backline when no else was presenting.

Lynch up the ground didn't affect lecras finding the pill - so using lynch as the scapegoat for kennedy's poor form is erroneous IMO.

In terms of playing well enough often enough - he showed the last 2 years he is best up the ground - his contested marking for some reason is better outside the forward 50m and his long kicking becomes a weapon.

however - no matter what he does, along with other whipping boys - he's going to cop criticism on here. He played a good game and people find ways to bring him down moreso than others.

There was one contest yesterday where he was hopelessly outpointed by rutten in a marking contest - however he didn't give up - rutten played on, lynch put the pressure on and made rutten lob the kick - we got the spoil and it lead to a goal.

 

[kane249]

Simple question, who would you prefer doing the up the ground work, Kennedy or Lynch? Lynch doesn't have the poise, finesse or subtlety to his kicking to hit a leading target on the chest where as Kennedy does.

Lynch's kicking is a one trick pony of high, hard and long which makes it difficult for our forwards. The reason he made the kick to Sheppard look good on that switch of play is because the situation called for it, in that same quarter however Naitanui had a one-on-one in the goal square and instead of trying to kick it to his advantage or on the lead he just blazes away and kicked it nowhere near him.

Lynch is not the answer as our lead up player, Kennedy is because Kennedy has more strings to his bow. Lynch should be dropped in favour of a player who can play closer to goal and reap the rewards of player who is capable of actually doing some damage when kicking the ball inside 50 in Kennedy and hitting a leading target, rather then a hit an hoper like Lynch.

 

[wambat]

Lynch surely must be dropped. Awful today.

22 Disposals , 8 i50 , 10 marks, 70+ % DE.

Playing on the HF line.

And you want to drop him.....