List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Wooshaaaa]

It's unfortunate that there is no pick purchasing this year.

There are a number of clubs (Freo, Carlton and Gold Coast?) that may be open to selling a R1 pick (for the right deal - Salary and picks).

Next year. And we should be into that up to our eyeballs.

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[shooshka]

Bolton is miles ahead of bailey smith.

Based on simply watching I agree with you.

However stats comparison (career averages) surprised me.

Smith is 2 years younger, career averages leads or is within 10% on almost everything (Goals, marks I50, 1%, bounces, Centre clearances - the outliers).

Averages 5 more disposals per game, better efficiency, equal on contested possessions (surprised me), more clearances (less CC as above), more R50’s, equal I50’s.

Smith IMO is worth probably similar to TB (5-10 range pick, or multiples if something that high can’t be offered).




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[Hoskin300]

Based on simply watching I agree with you.

However stats comparison (career averages) surprised me.

Smith is 2 years younger, career averages leads or is within 10% on almost everything (Goals, marks I50, 1%, bounces, Centre clearances - the outliers).

Averages 5 more disposals per game, better efficiency, equal on contested possessions (surprised me), more clearances (less CC as above), more R50’s, equal I50’s.

Smith IMO is worth probably similar to TB (5-10 range pick, or multiples if something that high can’t be offered).




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Career average probably isnt the best way to compare what they are worth now. Bailey Smith started his career very well but has completely stagnated. Boltons AFL player rating of 15.1 last year playing only 50% in the middle is extremely extremely good. When Smith played in the middle in 2022 his rating was only 11.7. Not to mention Smith hasnt played at an above average level for two years.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Not only that, BUT then they're getting Warner as well, in addition to re-signing Brayshaw, Serong, Darcy, Luke Jackson, their captain and backline. I didn't know the salary cap was jumping up millions of dollars.

If Freo get Bolton this off season, it reduces their ability to attract Warner on decent money next year. That means less competition for us to nab next year. The biggest threat though will be Chad staying in Sydney.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I hope Freo blow their salary cap and end up punished harder than Carlton.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

If Freo get Bolton this off season, it reduces their ability to attract Warner on decent money next year. That means less competition for us to nab next year. The biggest threat though will be Chad staying in Sydney.

Freo are still very young. A lot of players on not much coin, with players also at the upper end.

Their key will be moving on some like Darcy in the next year or so, to open up space to retain their upcoming generation.

Having said that, go all in now, they could win a flag in the next two years if they go hard, and given their history it'd be worth it for them.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Do we rate the sandover medal anymore.?

Callan England.
25 age profile


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Was he on our rookie list ?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Was he on our rookie list ?

England was a rookie and was very skinny and very outside when we drafted him.

He has taken a few years since being rookied to find his level of form.

Bailey Rogers is the player we should have taken from Claremont - but he was not the right sort for the Pieman. Rogers is an inside bull, - hard at the contest and has decent disposal. I did suggest to Bond that he be looked at but ... The rest is history.

 

[KBLT]

Was he on our rookie list ?

Yep. Same year we drafted the man, the myth, the legend: Ryan Burrows.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Great post, absolutely nailed it. As I said earlier R1 and F1 should now be the minimum. Agree with Wooshaaaa that we shouldn’t be doing any favours but if push comes to shove I’d be ok with giving our F3 back.

Barrass and 23 for

Hawks 1st + F1 + 30 .

Instead of giving back a F3 they slide up 7 spots in the 2nd round .

In an even draft the difference between pick 30 and 37 ?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Yep. Same year we drafted the man, the myth, the legend: Ryan Burrows.

So it wasn't the year we picked gorter instead of Kelly!

 

[Cuzz09]

Miss out on English... let's take England

JTE

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[Keys]

Not only that, BUT then they're getting Warner as well, in addition to re-signing Brayshaw, Serong, Darcy, Luke Jackson, their captain and backline. I didn't know the salary cap was jumping up millions of dollars.

It kinda is/has due to the new CBA covering 2023 to 2027 that was only signed off late last year

In 2022, the salary cap was $13,540,000 which will increase to $18,291,252 in 2027 which is an overall increase of $4,751,252 which includes a single year jump of nearly $2m from 2024 to 2025

So there’s a massive amount of money flowing to players that clubs have to spend due to the 95% floor

 

[WCE_phil]

It kinda is/has due to the new CBA covering 2023 to 2027 that was only signed off late last year

In 2022, the salary cap was $13,540,000 which will increase to $18,291,252 in 2027 which is an overall increase of $4,751,252 which includes a single year jump of nearly $2m from 2024 to 2025

So there’s a massive amount of money flowing to players that clubs have to spend due to the 95% floor

WCE were only 1 of 2 clubs who didnt have all players signed to contracts that raised in line with the salary cap. I can find out the other but from memory it wasn't Freo.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

WCE were only 1 of 2 clubs who didnt have all players signed to contracts that raised in line with the salary cap. I can find out the other but from memory it wasn't Freo.

Bombers

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[Chris_6678]

WCE were only 1 of 2 clubs who didnt have all players signed to contracts that raised in line with the salary cap. I can find out the other but from memory it wasn't Freo.

Smart in hindsight if a player isn't performing later into their contract and end up getting a pay raise.

 

[Big_Birdy]

WCE were only 1 of 2 clubs who didnt have all players signed to contracts that raised in line with the salary cap. I can find out the other but from memory it wasn't Freo.

Essendon

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I hope Freo blow their salary cap and end up punished harder than Carlton.

Obviously would because they’re not based in Vic. Can you imagine if we did the Essendon injecting program, half reckon we’d still be paying some sort of retribution.

 

[KERRPOW]

WCE were only 1 of 2 clubs who didnt have all players signed to contracts that raised in line with the salary cap. I can find out the other but from memory it wasn't Freo.

It may have been essendon?

 

[twce13]

one would think you'd have known that if you so called worked from them

 

[Big_Birdy]

one would think you'd have known that if you so called worked from them

One of those red herrings being thrown out there.

 

[eaglevision]

Barrass and 23 for

Hawks 1st + F1 + 30 .

Instead of giving back a F3 they slide up 7 spots in the 2nd round .

In an even draft the difference between pick 30 and 37 ?

Would rather our F2 than 23 but could be the difference between Hawks pulling the trigger and not pulling the trigger.

Pick 30 sits comfortably in the 3rd tier of tier of draft talent IMO (but towards the back end), with 37 being roughly the start of the next group but there may still be some sliders there

 

[mat11]

Would rather our F2 than 23 but could be the difference between Hawks pulling the trigger and not pulling the trigger.

Pick 30 sits comfortably in the 3rd tier of tier of draft talent IMO (but towards the back end), with 37 being roughly the start of the next group but there may still be some sliders there

I'd hope westcoast paying the remaining salary would be the deal breaker to facilitate the best draft pick as opposed to sending 23 back.

 

[dinnaz]

What is the record number of rucks a team has had on their list at the same time?

They call them key fwds once you reach that point.
A list should have 4 total ruck options anyway (including +/-1 hybrid fwd/ruck)

 

[eaglevision]

IF Lalor is going to slide to 6, does that make a pick split more appealing?