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  • List Manager Matt Clarke appeared on Sept 11 Gettable - Click spoiler below for summary
    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."



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I'd love Jagga at the Eagles, he's perfect for us. Huge work rate, one of the best I've seen u18s. Clearance beast, I don't have issue with his size. Look at Hough, he's starting to put good size on.
I have a big issue with his size. What you've described is Chris Masten (ironically taken at pick 3 2007). Wasn't big enough for on ball at AFL ended up being a B grade winger. Good for a late R1 or R2 but not pick 3.

Hough is great but wouldn't be able to get it done on ball as he's too small (and his frame isn't getting bigger). Fantastic for a R2 but not pick 3.

Take Draper. Has already shown he van get it done against men.
 
I'll start by saying, lots of people don't rate or like Curtin but I do.
I think he could easily be a midfielder ala Dawson, playing through the middle or on a wing. His kicking is beautiful.
Equally could be a half back flanker and use his kicking off half back to slice teams up.

Definitely top 10 in this draft.

Ranking wise I'd go:
Jagga
Ashcroft
Draper
Lombard
Reid
Lalor
FOS
Trainor
Smillie
Langford

I'd have him in the Draper to Reid range personally.
Few things on the above top 10, not much between Draper to FOS, very tough to split.
Trainor is an immense player, but for reasons I think he goes 16 to 25 range.

Curtin has plenty of weapons to his game, versatility, kicking, accumulation, one on one, marking. He got bad press here, because everyone wanted Harley last year and pissed their pants thinking we'd trade for Curtin.
 

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I have a big issue with his size. What you've described is Chris Masten (ironically taken at pick 3 2007). Wasn't big enough for on ball at AFL ended up being a B grade winger. Good for a late R1 or R2 but not pick 3.

Hough is great but wouldn't be able to get it done on ball as he's too small (and his frame isn't getting bigger). Fantastic for a R2 but not pick 3.

Take Draper. Has already shown he van get it done against men.
This is the philosophical debate we need to kind of work through here.
For every Chris Masten who never gets up to size, there's a Lachie Neale - undersized and slight, yes, but also an absolute gun.

We don't necessarily need a team of Reuben Ginbey sized units.
Tony Notte-sized forwards are a different scenario to midfielders.
 
Can’t help but think Freo know Baker doesn’t want to go there and are just trying to up his price.

Don’t understand the narrative Eagles are the ones holding out. Tigers could get multiple deals done quickly tomorrow if they wanted.

10+18 for Bolton is fair.
6 for Rioli is overs
6+18 for 3 you would think is fair.
18 for Baker is fair
Ergo 3,10,18 to Tigers
6 & Baker to Eagles
Bolton to Freo
Rioli to GCS.
Maybe some future 3rds around the edges.
Everyone wins, not sure why it isn’t talked about as an option in the media when it’s so obvious.

Barrass and our F2 for Hawthorn’s pair of F1s
Roll those two F1s over to Essendon for 9 and their F2
Trade 6 to Carlton for 12 and 14
Trade 14 to Sydney for 19 and 22
Trade the Darling pick to Brisbane for Robertson

We’ve brought in Baker, Graham and Robertson

Go to the draft with 9,12,19,22,26 and 63 for Champion

Gave up Barrass, Darling and pick 3 to generate picks 9,12,19,22 and Baker and Dev. Graham was free

Then I wake up Thursday morning and all we’ve done is roll pick 3 into 12 and Baker. Meanwhile Barrass is knocking on Clarke’s door with a revised contract request because Hawthorn are a bunch of dicks
 
I have a big issue with his size. What you've described is Chris Masten (ironically taken at pick 3 2007). Wasn't big enough for on ball at AFL ended up being a B grade winger. Good for a late R1 or R2 but not pick 3.

Hough is great but wouldn't be able to get it done on ball as he's too small (and his frame isn't getting bigger). Fantastic for a R2 but not pick 3.

Take Draper. Has already shown he van get it done against men.
Jagga racked it up in the VFL, did it against men.
 
might want to temper the expectations of what splitting 3 could yield in such an even draft pool. the only possible scenario i see for a decent split is if there's a smokie kpp who bolts and causes a bit of a frenzy. and then why wouldn't north just take him anyway?
 
Barrass and our F2 for Hawthorn’s pair of F1s
Roll those two F1s over to Essendon for 9 and their F2
Trade 6 to Carlton for 12 and 14
Trade 14 to Sydney for 19 and 22
Trade the Darling pick to Brisbane for Robertson

We’ve brought in Baker, Graham and Robertson

Go to the draft with 9,12,19,22,26 and 63 for Champion

Gave up Barrass, Darling and pick 3 to generate picks 9,12,19,22 and Baker and Dev. Graham was free

Then I wake up Thursday morning and all we’ve done is roll pick 3 into 12 and Baker. Meanwhile Barrass is knocking on Clarke’s door with a revised contract request because Hawthorn are a bunch of dicks

Then Clarke says ‘we told you Tom, you’ve got a ‘broken back’ mate, we aren’t signing you for 5 more years and we don’t have to pay you more money because you want it - go be an AA this year and we’ll talk more - or check how long Steven May has left? You haven’t tried Melbourne yet.’
 
I'd love Jagga at the Eagles, he's perfect for us. Huge work rate, one of the best I've seen u18s. Clearance beast, I don't have issue with his size. Look at Hough, he's starting to put good size on.

I have no issue with Smith - if he can be that dominant in the contest at his underage size he will be fine after a couple of pre-seasons. Can really play. That said I’m a big fan of Draper too
 

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This is the philosophical debate we need to kind of work through here.
For every Chris Masten who never gets up to size, there's a Lachie Neale - undersized and slight, yes, but also an absolute gun.

We don't necessarily need a team of Reuben Ginbey sized units.
Tony Notte-sized forwards are a different scenario to midfielders.
For me it's about Frame. Neale is short but a solid unit, Masto couldn't build that strength. Hard to tell at 18 when they haven't finished filling out.

Neale has also struggled at times with being knocked off ball, but makes up for it with absolutely elite quick disposal by hand.
 
I have a big issue with his size. What you've described is Chris Masten (ironically taken at pick 3 2007). Wasn't big enough for on ball at AFL ended up being a B grade winger. Good for a late R1 or R2 but not pick 3.

Hough is great but wouldn't be able to get it done on ball as he's too small (and his frame isn't getting bigger). Fantastic for a R2 but not pick 3.

Take Draper. Has already shown he van get it done against men.
How many preseasons had hough had? He's gotten significantly bigger, significantly. He'll be even bigger come preseason. He's big enough already

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I'll start by saying, lots of people don't rate or like Curtin but I do.
I think he could easily be a midfielder ala Dawson, playing through the middle or on a wing. His kicking is beautiful.
Equally could be a half back flanker and use his kicking off half back to slice teams up.

Definitely top 10 in this draft.

Ranking wise I'd go:
Jagga
Ashcroft
Draper
Lombard
Reid
Lalor
FOS
Trainor
Smillie
Langford

I'd have him in the Draper to Reid range personally.
Few things on the above top 10, not much between Draper to FOS, very tough to split.
Trainor is an immense player, but for reasons I think he goes 16 to 25 range.

Curtin has plenty of weapons to his game, versatility, kicking, accumulation, one on one, marking. He got bad press here, because everyone wanted Harley last year and pissed their pants thinking we'd trade for Curtin.
Crows see him solely as a midfielder. They're chips all in on that

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For me it's about Frame. Neale is short but a solid unit, Masto couldn't build that strength. Hard to tell at 18 when they haven't finished filling out.

Neale has also struggled at times with being knocked off ball, but makes up for it with absolutely elite quick disposal by hand.
Yep. Neale is a nugget. Look at the size of his legs compared to Zorko and Zorko isn't skinny either.

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Masten is a good example of someone unable to put the size on. Ainsworth was another.
 
Imagine being in the middle of the biggest rebuild in club history and splitting pick 3 for a teens pick and Baker
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(Cheers Rhino for ruling this out before my post)
 
For me it's about Frame. Neale is short but a solid unit, Masto couldn't build that strength. Hard to tell at 18 when they haven't finished filling out.

Neale has also struggled at times with being knocked off ball, but makes up for it with absolutely elite quick disposal by hand.
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Is there that much in it? Jagga has your typical Ectomorph build. Neale definitely bigger in frame. Only 2-3KG in it at draft time though, if that - Smith was listed at 70KG start of the year. Neale 73kg at draft.
 
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For me it's about Frame. Neale is short but a solid unit, Masto couldn't build that strength. Hard to tell at 18 when they haven't finished filling out.

Neale has also struggled at times with being knocked off ball, but makes up for it with absolutely elite quick disposal by hand.

Which is exactly what Jagga has. Some of his handballs to space in his highlights are incredible, great vision and spatial awareness.
 
Adult diapers on hold



Don't mind Rhino, but the initial post of his turned out to be pure engagement farming. It wasn't newsworthy until the rejection from West Coast was confirmed.

Time to check out of this trade nonsense.
 

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