List Mgmt. Draft Needs 2018 #2: Rankine / Lukosius / Rozee / Hately, I'm knocking Woodcock out the box, daily!

[lunacy]

Agree - 8 and 13 is my limit. Would pay that for either.

Anymore is too much and I'm sure we wouldn't entertain it.

I definitely wouldn’t do that for Rozee but I might for Rankine. Huge price though.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Gold Old St Kilda .....once your subscribe to the "star" system .....you're doomed

And here they are again talking about getting a "Star" at #4 .....it's culturally in-grained !

 

[WaynesWorld19]

They will be bashed from pillar to post, if their Pick 1, ie Rankine wants out early in his career.

Walsh is the safe secure and astute pick. Rankine is the pick that if it comes off can propel them into the 8 in about 4-5 years time.

Yes, but he's also a very very good prospect too & exactly what Carlton need

 

[Stiffy_18]

Best case scenario if that comes to fruition

Because we pick every SA lad available?

Don't think so!

First two picks are pretty good, as is Bailey Williams. I like Valente but I can't see how you can play both Valente and Matt Crouch in the same team going forward. Not a smart investment from our list management committee if this is how it pans out. I am sure there will be another player at that pick who is a better fit for list needs and/or profile.

 

[Crow till I die]

They will be bashed from pillar to post, if their Pick 1, ie Rankine wants out early in his career.

Walsh is the safe secure and astute pick. Rankine is the pick that if it comes off can propel them into the 8 in about 4-5 years time.

I would love it if they took Rankine and then on draft night when as no 1 pick he gets interviewed and he says I told them not to draft me - I want a trade to the Adelaide Crows

 

[ChilliP]

I'm very confident you can lock Sam Walsh in at #1 .....Vic lad, they're not going to run the risk of Rankine going home

That's why they would bring his brother over, Carlton haven't really had an issue with retention I don't think they would be concerned, they got 10 years out of Gibbs (and well compensated) and could have kept Betts if they paid him his value, Sauce if they played him. They'll also be high in next years draft and can get a Joel Selwood type midfielder there, there's no one like Rankine in the next few drafts.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Because we pick every SA lad available?

Don't think so!

First two picks are pretty good, as is Bailey Williams. I like Valente but I can't see how you can play both Valente and Matt Crouch in the same team going forward. Not a smart investment from our list management committee if this is how it pans out. I am sure there will be another player at that pick who is a better fit for list needs and/or profile.

I've had an aweful time trying to narrow a player for #16 .....that's because IMO, it's going to depend on who we take at #8 and #13 ......I said very early I like Taylor, but #16 maybe a reach? ......will Williams have to be "reached" at #16 ?

But if we take Ben King ....do we take 2 talls with the first 3 picks ??? ......#16 is a dilemna

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That's why they would bring his brother over, Carlton haven't really had an issue with retention I don't think they would be concerned, they got 10 years out of Gibbs (and well compensated) and could have kept Betts if they paid him his value, Sauce if they played him. They'll also be high in next years draft and can get a Joel Selwood type midfielder there, there's no one like Rankine in the next few drafts.

That's all good, but I'll still place a bet on Walsh at #1 .......lots of postulating this week

 

[Stiffy_18]

I've had an aweful time trying to narrow a player for #16 .....that's because IMO, it's going to depend on who we take at #8 and #13 ......I said very early I like Taylor, but #16 maybe a reach? ......will Williams have to be "reached" at #16 ?

But if we take Ben King ....do we take 2 talls with the first 3 picks ??? ......#16 is a dilemna

I am convinced that we will star bidding on players at 16 if they haven't already been bid on (Thomas, Quaynor, Briggs and maybe even Kelly if we don't pick up a tall with the first two picks) But I agree 16 will be an interesting one. I can see some logic at 8 and 13 but at 16 it gets dicey and dependent on what we do with 8 and 13. I just can't see it being Valente though.

 

[lunacy]

Because we pick every SA lad available?

Don't think so!

First two picks are pretty good, as is Bailey Williams. I like Valente but I can't see how you can play both Valente and Matt Crouch in the same team going forward. Not a smart investment from our list management committee if this is how it pans out. I am sure there will be another player at that pick who is a better fit for list needs and/or profile.

I see more Bryce Gibbs (not as good) than Matt Crouch in VALente. He has good skills, wins clearances, good tackle numbers and has time. Probably doesn’t have the versatility of Gibbs so I guess you’re right in that sense. M.Crouch is pure inside mid only.

I think Sloane & Gibbs only have 2 years left as midfielders and then they will be transitioned to other roles like half back/half forward. Milera, Gallucci and maybe even Laird will move out of their current roles to make way for those guys, and probably become full time mids.

 

[Bicks]

I see more Bryce Gibbs (not as good) than Matt Crouch in VALente. He has good skills, wins clearances, good tackle numbers and has time. Probably doesn’t have the versatility of Gibbs so I guess you’re right in that sense. M.Crouch is pure inside mid only.

I think Sloane & Gibbs only have 2 years left as midfielders and then they will be transitioned to other roles like half back/half forward. Milera, Gallucci and maybe even Laird will move out of their current roles to make way for those guys, and probably become full time mids.

Think you need to go check out Matt Crouch's uncontested possession numbers and his involvement in scoring chains of play, he's much more than an inside mid especially the last 2 seasons.

 

[lunacy]

I've had an aweful time trying to narrow a player for #16 .....that's because IMO, it's going to depend on who we take at #8 and #13 ......I said very early I like Taylor, but #16 maybe a reach? ......will Williams have to be "reached" at #16 ?

But if we take Ben King ....do we take 2 talls with the first 3 picks ??? ......#16 is a dilemna

If bids haven’t already come I think we bid on Blakey at 8, bid on Tarryn
Thomas at 13. Hamish said he hasn’t tracked him since he was 12 yrs old through inside word he got from someone in his network. Plus he’s a tassie boy.
I reckon we’ll be on Briggs at 16 forcing GWS to use their pick 19 which will bring in our pick 21 by one (in terms of live picks).
Then I reckon we go for Valente or McHenry at 16.
It’s interesting that there hasn’t been any talk of us liking Duursma.
Then at 21 we might take whoever is available out of Valente/McHenry/Williams.

 

[lunacy]

Think you need to go check out Matt Crouch's uncontested possession numbers and his involvement in scoring chains of play, he's much more than an inside mid especially the last 2 seasons.

I know Matt Crouch as a player very well. That’s fine. I meant in terms of his position. At AFL level (not the Rebels) he I a play purely an inside mid. Doesn’t play forward, wing, back. Where as Gibbs can. I was saying in terms of playing style/attributes/skill set I see more of Gibbs than M.Crouch. But he is probably like Crouch in that he doesn’t play in other roles as much as Gibbs.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I am convinced that we will star bidding on players at 16 if they haven't already been bid on (Thomas, Quaynor, Briggs and maybe even Kelly if we don't pick up a tall with the first two picks) But I agree 16 will be an interesting one. I can see some logic at 8 and 13 but at 16 it gets dicey and dependent on what we do with 8 and 13. I just can't see it being Valente though.

I agree ....reminds me a bit of the Jack Graham situation from 2016 ....#53 and probably didn't deserve to be that low

 

[Stiffy_18]

I see more Bryce Gibbs (not as good) than Matt Crouch in VALente. He has good skills, wins clearances, good tackle numbers and has time. Probably doesn’t have the versatility of Gibbs so I guess you’re right in that sense. M.Crouch is pure inside mid only.

I think Sloane & Gibbs only have 2 years left as midfielders and then they will be transitioned to other roles like half back/half forward. Milera, Gallucci and maybe even Laird will move out of their current roles to make way for those guys, and probably become full time mids.

Similar size, pace and style of play as Matt Crouch. Its the same reason why Lyons was moved on. Matt is more than a pure inside midfielder though.

Like I said, I like Valente and think he will have a pretty good career but I think we are set for that type of player with one of the best younger midfielders in the competition.

Maybe he turns out to be too good to ignore at that pick but I doubt it.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I agree ....reminds me a bit of the Jack Graham situation from 2016 ....#53 and probably didn't deserve to be that low

I think you have just wound up Marty!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If bids haven’t already come I think we bid on Blakey at 8, bid on Tarryn
Thomas at 13. Hamish said he hasn’t tracked him since he was 12 yrs old through inside word he got from someone in his network. Plus he’s a tassie boy.

Both Sydney and North have prepared for challenges around where you've suggested

I reckon we’ll be on Briggs at 16 forcing GWS to use their pick 19 which will bring in our pick 21 by one (in terms of live picks).

Likewise GWS will match on Briggs at #16

Then I reckon we go for Valente or McHenry at 16.
It’s interesting that there hasn’t been any talk of us liking Duursma.
Then at 21 we might take whoever is available out of Valente/McHenry/Williams.

Yes I'm surprised by the lack of discussion on Duursma ......i really like him, and he's a Crows style of player

 

[Draft Bored]

What picks do we currently still hold in 2019? And how many do we need to hold at the end of the draft on Friday?

Is this right?

First and Second rounders held.
Third was traded to Carlton.
Fourth ended up a Port.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think you have just wound up Marty!

Well, bit like Burton ....great 1st years and fell away in their 2nd years .....that's why you can't define a career on one season

Graham IMO will find the going a bit difficult .....Burton, I expect to bounce back

 

[Stiffy_18]

Both Sydney and North have prepared for challenges around where you've suggested


Likewise GWS will match on Briggs at #16


Yes I'm surprised by the lack of discussion on Duursma ......i really like him, and he's a Crows style of player

I think it would be strategically smart to bid on Briggs. He fills a need so if GWS choose not to bid (unlikely) we get a ruck prospect who has that physicality at the contest like Mumford. If they do, it brings forward our next pick which would have been pushed out at that stage by bids on Blakey and Thomas and possibly Quaynor.

 

[skittlebrew]

If bids haven’t already come I think we bid on Blakey at 8, bid on Tarryn
Thomas at 13. Hamish said he hasn’t tracked him since he was 12 yrs old through inside word he got from someone in his network. Plus he’s a tassie boy.
I reckon we’ll be on Briggs at 16 forcing GWS to use their pick 19 which will bring in our pick 21 by one (in terms of live picks).
Then I reckon we go for Valente or McHenry at 16.
It’s interesting that there hasn’t been any talk of us liking Duursma.
Then at 21 we might take whoever is available out of Valente/McHenry/Williams.

Don't think we bid on Blakey only because Swans gave us 13. Someone else will bid on him early regardless.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think it would be strategically smart to bid on Briggs. He fills a need so if GWS choose not to bid (unlikely) we get a ruck prospect who has that physicality at the contest like Mumford. If they do, it brings forward our next pick which would have been pushed out at that stage by bids on Blakey and Thomas and possibly Quaynor.

I wouldn't mind a bid on Quaynor.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Don't think we bid on Blakey only because Swans gave us 13. Someone else will bid on him early regardless.

Yeah, probably GC or Saints in that top 6

 

[Tex200]

I definitely wouldn’t do that for Rozee but I might for Rankine. Huge price though.

I meant Luko or Rankine.

 

[Draft Bored]

Do we have to hold a certain number of picks in the 2019 draft at the end of this draft?

Can someone explain the rules on that?