drafting and trading 2012

[Vader]

Stealing more oxygen than jesse white?

Preferable to White in that he costs less and is probably a better ruck (which says very little for White's ruck ability).

 

[Magma]

asking who you want out of white and graham is like asking for a shiner turd because it looks better.

 

[Vader]

IF we end up getting something further from the Sydney deal then its a huge win. Graham is a better ruck prospect than White. Hold your horses Vader...dont jump the gun. I sound like Luke Skywalkers mother...

Depends upon the outcome of the Tippett trade. So far there have not been any rumours which have been favourable towards Adelaide.

If Graham is all we get out of trade week, then this trading period will have been an unmitigated disaster.

 

[Vader]

I mean Graham + 22 + something is better than White + 22, right?

Both are grounds for dismissal if your name is Noble or Harper.

 

[DangerSloane]

Depends upon the outcome of the Tippett trade. So far there have not been any rumours which have been favourable towards Adelaide.

If Graham is all we get out of trade week, then this trading period will have been an unmitigated disaster.

If you think we're going to win out of the Tippett trade then you're dillusional. We are in the worst bargaining position of any team ever. Graham + 11 + 22 would be ok in my book. Cant see it happening though.

 

[Vader]

Who said anything about winning the Tippett trade? I said there haven't been anything "favourable" towards Adelaide. I'll settle for something vaguely reasonble - pick 11 & 23 is still unders, but it's acceptable unders. Pick 23 alone is so far short of being acceptable that Harper & Noble would need to hire bodyguards if they wish to return to Adelaide in the foreseeable future.

 

[DangerSloane]

Who said anything about winning the Tippett trade? I said there haven't been anything "favourable" towards Adelaide. I'll settle for something vaguely reasonble - pick 11 & 23 is still unders, but it's acceptable unders. Pick 23 alone is so far short of being acceptable that Harper & Noble would need to hire bodyguards if they wish to return to Adelaide in the foreseeable future.

But Sydney could give us nothing if they wanted to...i dont think you understand how this works.

 

[AndrewJo]

But Sydney could give us nothing if they wanted to...i dont think you understand how this works.

Unless Sydney work something more favourable send him to the draft. Despite what Rowie says we still get a pick for Tippett going from our list.It may be in the 40's or 50's but the chances of getting a good player are not much worse than the Sydney pick of 23.Remember Sloane (47), MacKay (48) Jobe Watson (40) Mattie Stokes (61). There are still good players to be found. I initially thought they should take 23 but I have changed my mind because of the way they have offered poor choices.If they were serious they should have hawked a player to a third club for a better (lower) pick. Make them sweat. Tell them now it's draft and give the other teams a chance to get their money in order to bid for Tippett.(GWS)

 

[Mad Fan of AFL]

So is Graham like insurance incase Jacobs goes down? I can't imagine he would be in the same side with Jacobs

 

[Danoz]

Zero compensation for losing Knights

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Zero compensation for losing Knights

didn't Noble just say likely 3rd round pick attached to our 3rd rnd pick?

 

[Crow-eater]

didn't Noble just say likely 3rd round pick attached to our 3rd rnd pick?

He did but the AFL just announced we get nada.

How nice of them

 

[WaynesWorld19]

He did but the AFL just announced we get nada.

How nice of them

didn't matter as we weren't going to use it anyway ......was prepared to give to Richmond if given

 

[Danoz]

So seeing as we are likely to only use one pick , or perhaps two, in the draft, I assume we will be trying to get those picks up as high as possible.

Ins: Crouch, Callinan, Graham
Outs: Knights, Doughty, Tippett, Symes
Vets: Rutten, Reilly

As David Noble has informed us, Crouch needs to be taken as a pick, so at this stage we have one live pick.

If Kurt goes for 11 and 22, we then have 3 first round picks. Awesome currency to try to upgrade some picks. Problem though is finding someone who is interested in getting two low first rd picks for a high first round pick.

Noble also said we are pretty unlikely to trade any other players, but do we think a player may be spat out to upgrade a pick? Dunno, maybe.

Here's my thoughts:

1. We trade all three first rounders to GWS for pick 3. Any chance? I don't know. SOS specifically said he wants players.

2. All three to Melbourne for pick 4. Possible, depends whether they want Wines or not.

Both these options leaves us with a high pick, brim the only live pick we use.

3. We trade 2 of 11, 20 or 23 to GWS with a player (won't be McKernan) for pick 3. Would need to be a quality player though that GWS has interest in. Thoughts on who it might be? I can't think of a particular position they are lacking in talent.

Thoughts?

 

[jenny61_99]

INDICATIVE NAB AFL Draft order as at October 16, 2012

ROUND ONE
1. Greater Western Sydney
2. Greater Western Sydney
3. Greater Western Sydney
4. Melbourne (GWS compensation - Tom Scully)
5. Western Bulldogs
6. Western Bulldogs (GWS compensation - Callan Ward)
7. Port Adelaide
8. Brisbane Lions
9. Richmond
10. Essendon (father-son selection committed to Joe Daniher)
11. Carlton
12. Greater Western Sydney
13. St Kilda (FA compensation - Brendon Goddard)
14. Greater Western Sydney
15. North Melbourne
16. Geelong
17. Fremantle
18. Collingwood
19. Collingwood
20. Adelaide
21. Collingwood (GWS compensation - originally via Adelaide - Phil Davis)
22. Western Bulldogs
23. Sydney Swans

END OF ROUND ONE
24. Brisbane Lions (GC compensation - Michael Rischitelli)

ROUND TWO
25. St Kilda
26. Gold Coast
27. Melbourne (father-son selection committed to Jack Viney)
28. Hawthorn
29. Port Adelaide
30. Port Adelaide (FA compensation - Danyle Pearce)
31. Port Adelaide (FA compensation - Troy Chaplin)
32. Richmond (GC compensation - originally via Port Adelaide - Nathan Krakouer)
33. Brisbane Lions
34. Richmond
35. Essendon
36. Carlton
37. St Kilda
38. North Melbourne
39. North Melbourne
40. Fremantle
41. West Coast
42. Collingwood
43. Richmond
44. Western Bulldogs
45. Sydney Swans

ROUND THREE
46. St Kilda
47. Gold Coast
48. Collingwood
49. Melbourne (FA compensation - net result for Brent Moloney and Jared Rivers)
50. Western Bulldogs (father-son selection committed to Lachie Hunter)
51. Western Bulldogs (GWS compensation - Sam Reid)
52. Essendon
53. Brisbane Lions
54. Adelaide
55. Essendon
56. Carlton
57. St Kilda
58. North Melbourne
59. Geelong
60. Fremantle
61. West Coast
62. West Coast (FA compensation - Quinten Lynch)
63. Melbourne
64. Adelaide
65. Hawthorn
66. Hawthorn (FA compensation - Clinton Young)
67. Sydney Swans

ROUND FOUR68. Greater Western Sydney
69. Greater Western Sydney
70. Melbourne
71. Western Bulldogs
72. Port Adelaide
73. Brisbane Lions
74. Richmond
75. Essendon
76. Carlton
77. St Kilda
78. North Melbourne
79. Geelong
80. Fremantle
81. West Coast
82. Collingwood
83. Adelaide
84. Hawthorn
85. Sydney Swans

ROUND FIVE86. Greater Western Sydney
87. Gold Coast
88. Melbourne
89. Western Bulldogs
90. Port Adelaide
91. Brisbane Lions
92. Richmond
93. Essendon
94. Carlton
95. St Kilda
96. North Melbourne
97. Geelong
98. Fremantle
99. West Coast
100. Collingwood
101. Adelaide
102. Hawthorn
103. Sydney Swans

ROUND SIX
104. Greater Western Sydney
105. Gold Coast
106. Melbourne
107. Western Bulldogs
108. Port Adelaide
109. Brisbane Lions
110. Richmond
111. Essendon
112. Carlton
113. St Kilda
114. North Melbourne
115. Geelong
116. Fremantle
117. West Coast
118. Collingwood
119. Adelaide
120. Hawthorn
121. Sydney Swans

ROUND SEVEN122. Greater Western Sydney
123. Gold Coast
124. Melbourne
125. Western Bulldogs
126. Port Adelaide
127. Brisbane Lions
128. Richmond
129. Essendon
130. Carlton
131. St Kilda
132. North Melbourne
133. Geelong
134. Fremantle
135. West Coast
136. Collingwood
137. Adelaide
138. Hawthorn
139. Sydney Swans

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So seeing as we are likely to only use one pick , or perhaps two, in the draft, I assume we will be trying to get those picks up as high as possible.

Ins: Crouch, Callinan, Graham
Outs: Knights, Doughty, Tippett, Symes
Vets: Rutten, Reilly

As David Noble has informed us, Crouch needs to be taken as a pick, so at this stage we have one live pick.

If Kurt goes for 11 and 22, we then have 3 first round picks. Awesome currency to try to upgrade some picks. Problem though is finding someone who is interested in getting two low first rd picks for a high first round pick.

Noble also said we are pretty unlikely to trade any other players, but do we think a player may be spat out to upgrade a pick? Dunno, maybe.

Here's my thoughts:

1. We trade all three first rounders to GWS for pick 3. Any chance? I don't know. SOS specifically said he wants players.

2. All three to Melbourne for pick 4. Possible, depends whether they want Wines or not.

Both these options leaves us with a high pick, brim the only live pick we use.

3. We trade 2 of 11, 20 or 23 to GWS with a player (won't be McKernan) for pick 3. Would need to be a quality player though that GWS has interest in. Thoughts on who it might be? I can't think of a particular position they are lacking in talent.

Thoughts?

Out: Doughty, Knights, Tippett, Symes Vet List:Rutten & Reilly
In: Crouch & Callinan

2 live picks??

Problem is ....if Tippett deal goes through to next Friday, will we have the opportunity to use any of the options at the last minute

Don't think we can get picks 2 -4 ......that said would:

St Kilda (who are rebuilding) ...trade picks 19 & 22 for Goddard pick #13?

Would we then be happy going to ND with picks 11 & 13

 

[beagle2]

Out: Doughty, Knights, Tippett, Symes Vet List:Rutten & Reilly
In: Crouch & Callinan

2 live picks??

Problem is ....if Tippett deal goes through to next Friday, will we have the opportunity to use any of the options at the last minute

Don't think we can get picks 2 -4 ......that said would:

St Kilda (who are rebuilding) ...trade picks 19 & 22 for Goddard pick #13?

Would we then be happy going to ND with picks 11 & 13

Three according to Noble on AA Perhaps there is no maths in a MBA

 

[Danoz]

Out: Doughty, Knights, Tippett, Symes Vet List:Rutten & Reilly
In: Crouch & Callinan

2 live picks??

Problem is ....if Tippett deal goes through to next Friday, will we have the opportunity to use any of the options at the last minute

Don't think we can get picks 2 -4 ......that said would:

St Kilda (who are rebuilding) ...trade picks 19 & 22 for Goddard pick #13?

Would we then be happy going to ND with picks 11 & 13

I thought that regarding saints

Def one live pick. Dogga already on vet list so doesn't affect list size.

 

[Danoz]

Three according to Noble on AA Perhaps there is no maths in a MBA

3 but two are used by crouch and Callinan.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Three according to Noble on AA Perhaps there is no maths in a MBA

I not saying iam any good & maybe i missed something ....but you would like to have 3 sub pick 40 picks

#11, #20, # 23 is not a bad selection to go into the draft with

#11 & #13 is better if we can consolidate #20 & #23 & other picks to a St Kilda ??

 

[Mismatched]

I thought that regarding saints

Def one live pick. Dogga already on vet list so doesn't affect list size.

But Reilly and Rutten to vet list does, I count 2 slots with Graham coming in, including upgrades to Callinan and Crouch.

 

[Danoz]

But Reilly and Rutten to vet list does, I count 2 slots with Graham coming in, including upgrades to Callinan and Crouch.

The difference is that crouch counts as a pick, so we only need to have one live pick

 

[Danoz]

If we start at 40 at year end, incl Dogga and Callinan as an upgraded rookie = 38 senior list

Less Dogga and Callinan still at 38
Less tip Symes and knights makes 35
Rutten and Reilly to Vet list makes 33
Add Callinan crouch and graham makes 36

Bugger your right. Still need 2 live picks. Don't know what planet I'm living on.

 

[Vader]

As David Noble has informed us, Crouch needs to be taken as a pick, so at this stage we have one live pick.

We're still looking at 2 live picks. We go from a list size of 39, back up to 40 (1 extra player over last year)..
IN: Crouch, Callinan, Graham, 2 draft picks
OUT: Tippett, Knights, Symes, Doughty

Noble is probably right about Crouch needing a pick. Your interpretation that this leaves us with only one live pick is in error.

 

[Vader]

I thought that regarding saints

Def one live pick. Dogga already on vet list so doesn't affect list size.

No.. but replacing one veteran (Doughty) with two veterans (Rutten & Reilly) frees up one position on the senior list - a position we can fill via the draft.

Definitely looking at 2 live picks at this point in time.