Preview FACEOFF – Round 10 – Carlton Blues vs. Mighty Adelaide Crows, MCG

[Jack is Back]

I have it on good authority that Jarryd Lyons will be named tomorrow night.

#bloodytravellingemergencyagain
#canthavehimBOGfortheravensagain

 

[DD#23]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-21/your-clubs-best-recent-draft-steals-and-worst-misses

I posted this article in the list thread, but its a great read didnt want anyone to miss it. Enjoy.

LMAO at Port's "steal" being Jonas at 16!

also poor poor Brisbane

The Lions have struggled to find talent late in drafts since 2008, with just eight of their 24 selections still on the list.

 

[6BTS]

Actually I understand the game more than most.
You're looking at players on their ability, not on team balance.

Arguing for Lynch in this current team is like arguing Stuart Macgill to be best XI in the mid90s-early 00s.

On pure skill, yes, he deserves to be in the team.
But on team balance you start to ruin the balance. Lynch is pushing the limit to go too tall up forward. Macgill was pushing the limit of too many spinners.

Personally, I like Lynch, I like him more than Jenkins and JPod. But I look at the structure.
Lynch isn't going to be taking Jenkins' spot, so why bother that comparison.
Lynch isn't going to be beating out Walker, so why bother contemplating that.
He could replace Podsially, but with his current form, Lynch isn't replacing him.

He's not at the Douglas level yet where he can just come straight into the team once fit.

We've finally found a perfect mix vs Collingwood, so there will be zero changes this week for Carlton.

And if he comes in, the club needs to maintain team balance.

Look, I think he's better than Jenkins..... By a lot..... But we can't go Out: Jenkins, In: Lynch as it stuffs up team balance.

Skill = Lynch IS Best 22
Team Balance = Lynch is NOT Best 22.

Totally understand what you're saying. Lynch is such a funny piece of the puzzle as we know he's a border piece, but he just doesn't seem to be fitting in with the other pieces, as if he's from the wrong puzzle box.

I think if they were bringing Lynch into the team it would be at the expense of JPod, Jenkins plays as that second ruck option so I don't think they'll want to lose that option. You can almost justify bringing Lynch in for JPod now that Tex is back and should have the ability to do everything JPod can do and better. JPod can be that third tall who can benefit from playing on the weakest tall defender, he's going to have more of an impact based on that alone. The assistance of Charlie's defensive pressure in the forward line also helps to cover his lack of mobility.

The question is do you stick with what works, or do you change it to what should work better. I think Lynch can play that 3rd tall role and his mobility should see him stretch the smallest of the oppositions 3 defenders. We know he's going to run the opposition player around more then what JPod is capable of and if Lynch is moving up and down the ground that gives Tex the ability to play closer to goal.

The only sticking point in all of this is that Lynch has to play his role well for that structure to capitalize. I don't think he's quite ready to make the impact required which is why I understand what you're trying to say, but I also think he is close to being the player that can fit into the role wanted of him and with Tex on the team, it might boost his confidence to be the piece of the puzzle that assists team balance.

Unfortunately we won't know until he comes back from injury and actually gets back into the team. At the moment if JPod continues to thrive and assist in the forward structure we now have, it's going to become harder and harder to justify dropping him simply cause we think Lynch has more all round ability on the park. Either way, if Tex plays the way we all know he's capable of and Charlie continues to bring the sort of game he showed he's capable of against Collingwood, it shouldn't be too distracting to team balance regardless of who play that third tall option.

 

[Geoffa32]

LMAO at Port's "steal" being Jonas at 16!

also poor poor Brisbane

Pick 16 of the Rookie Draft. FWIW we picked up Tim Milera with pick 15...........

 

[TheRoo32]

Actually I understand the game more than most.

Team Balance = Lynch is NOT Best 22.

 

[Allefgib]

Lynch could come in for Martin.

Gut running on the wing being the key aspect of brodies role the other night.

Ginja ninjas foot just as good for mine. Doesn't have the same pace but is just as hard a runner.

 

[PykeDream]

These six points appeared in afl.com.au's preview:

1.The Blues dominated the disposals, scoring shots and inside 50s in their 32-point victory over the Crows last season.

2. The Crows are now the top team for centre clearances this season, averaging 14.5 a game. The Blues are 10th with 12.5 a match.

3. Adelaide ranks second for contested marks this season with 90. Carlton is 15th with 63.

4. At the MCG the clubs have met three times with two wins to Carlton. They have met 21 times in Melbourne, with 13 wins to eight in the Blues' favour.

5. Carlton is averaging the second fewest disposals of all teams this season at 345.6 a game. Adelaide is up to fourth at 379.2.

6. Bryce Gibbs was 84th on the Official AFL Player Ratings table at the start of this season, but he has climbed to 63rd after some good recent performances. He is now the third highest-ranked Blue, behind Marc Murphy and Kade Simpson.

For a team that sits worse than mid-table, we dominate a handful of key stats. Of course, being near the bottom for tackles and everything else defensive counterbalances the good stuff, but there is no doubt we can score.

Thought the 'Your club's best recent draft steals, and worst misses' also on afl.com.au was pretty lazy journalism.

Like, our biggest mistake is that we picked Ben Stratton over Sam Shaw? Stratton's a good player but he is no world beater and Shaw has hardly crashed and burned. Sure, if Stratton in our side he doesn't tackle Dangerfield in a open forward line with 5 to go in a prelim, but McKernan over Beams is clearly the more costly miss from a talent perspective.

Inferring that Geelong would be distraught over missing Luke Dahlhaus, and St Kilda sickened by having skipped on David Astbury is also a bit bizarre.

 

[DD#23]

Pick 16 of the Rookie Draft. FWIW we picked up Tim Milera with pick 15...........

I take it back, I must have breezed past the "Rookie" part lol

 

[Truck25]

Actually I understand the game more than most.
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Tickets anybody

 

[sbenno]

Lynch is clearly best 22 in my opinion, but db is right in that he wouldn't fit in our forward line with Tex, jerka and pods.

He'd probably pay on a wing instead, he'd be handy up there.

 

[footy4ever]

A lot of confident posts in this thread. I'll take any kind of win, but first Crows have to put a minder on Yarran who is easily their classiest and most electric player. Curb his and Walker's run and a win becomes more likely.

 

[GROTTO]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ad...renton-sanderson/story-fndv862c-1226926119708


Adelaide’s pulsating revival in a 21-point triumph against Collingwood last Thursday at sold out Adelaide Oval will be squandered without an iron-willed hit on the Blues at the MCG this Sunday.

I firmly believe the irony of beating the Pies is that it may put the players into a comfort zone and led them to take the foot of the pedal on Sunday. What is worse is that for the win against the Pies to count for anything must be followed and backed up with wins over the next two weeks against the Blues and Suns. Otherwise we would have been better off just beating the Demons, losing to the Pies followed by beating the Blues. Which is what I feel how the group would have reacted had we lost to the Pies, we would have come out real hard against the Blues. I think this is Sando's next biggest test this season is getting the players mentally and psychologically ready to back up a good game against a top 8 team to against a team striving to get into the 8.

There is a lot of talk about whether Sando will make changes to the team. I could easily sit back and take the soft easy Club option and say no why change a winning combination. I think Sando needs to make the right tactical moves at the selection table, Lyons deserves a crack to add another unknown quantity for MM to deal with. At whose expense I dont know. Truck may need to make way sad as it may be given he played a reliable role in defence. But this year has always been about probably Truck's last year and this is an ideal situation to make that transition against a team bereft of big forwards that could stretch us.

Make no doubt, in the box Sando is going to have his work cut out. MM has the runs on the board to beat Sando in the box. For Sando to counteract this he needs as many players with as many weapons to execute his gameplan with discipline and execution.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ad...renton-sanderson/story-fndv862c-1226926119708

Adelaide’s pulsating revival in a 21-point triumph against Collingwood last Thursday at sold out Adelaide Oval will be squandered without an iron-willed hit on the Blues at the MCG this Sunday.

I firmly believe the irony of beating the Pies is that it may put the players into a comfort zone and led them to take the foot of the pedal on Sunday. What is worse is that for the win against the Pies to count for anything must be followed and backed up with wins over the next two weeks against the Blues and Suns. Otherwise we would have been better off just beating the Demons, losing to the Pies followed by beating the Blues. Which is what I feel how the group would have reacted had we lost to the Pies, we would have come out real hard against the Blues. I think this is Sando's next biggest test this season is getting the players mentally and psychologically ready to back up a good game against a top 8 team to against a team striving to get into the 8.

There is a lot of talk about whether Sando will make changes to the team. I could easily sit back and take the soft easy Club option and say no why change a winning combination. I think Sando needs to make the right tactical moves at the selection table, Lyons deserves a crack to add another unknown quantity for MM to deal with. At whose expense I dont know. Truck may need to make way sad as it may be given he played a reliable role in defence. But this year has always been about probably Truck's last year and this is an ideal situation to make that transition against a team bereft of big forwards that could stretch us.

Make no doubt, in the box Sando is going to have his work cut out. MM has the runs on the board to beat Sando in the box. For Sando to counteract this he needs as many players with as many weapons to execute his gameplan with discipline and execution.

If our players fall into a comfort zone we are bloody mentally soft

Being 4-4 There is nothing to feel comfortable about

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I have it on good authority that Jarryd Lyons will be named tomorrow night.

#bloodytravellingemergencyagain
#canthavehimBOGfortheravensagain

That he will be named in the 25 to only be named as a emergency or best case as the sub

 

[sbenno]

If our players fall into a comfort zone we are bloody mentally soft

Being 4-4 There is nothing to feel comfortable about

Given our last quarter fades this year, I think our mental softness is well established.

 

[completelyclean]

I have a feeling it will be Lyons in for Crouch and that will be the only change.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

So the 3 players added to the squad tonight will likely be Lyons, Otten and Grigg…actually sorry Mitch, it's gonna be Reilly just to give us something to get nervous about for 24 hours.

 

[craig crowing]

Actually I understand the game more than most.
You're looking at players on their ability, not on team balance.

Arguing for Lynch in this current team is like arguing Stuart Macgill to be best XI in the mid90s-early 00s.

On pure skill, yes, he deserves to be in the team.
But on team balance you start to ruin the balance. Lynch is pushing the limit to go too tall up forward. Macgill was pushing the limit of too many spinners.

Personally, I like Lynch, I like him more than Jenkins and JPod. But I look at the structure.
Lynch isn't going to be taking Jenkins' spot, so why bother that comparison.
Lynch isn't going to be beating out Walker, so why bother contemplating that.
He could replace Podsially, but with his current form, Lynch isn't replacing him.

He's not at the Douglas level yet where he can just come straight into the team once fit.

We've finally found a perfect mix vs Collingwood, so there will be zero changes this week for Carlton.

And if he comes in, the club needs to maintain team balance.

Look, I think he's better than Jenkins..... By a lot..... But we can't go Out: Jenkins, In: Lynch as it stuffs up team balance.

Skill = Lynch IS Best 22
Team Balance = Lynch is NOT Best 22.

Sorry Dirty Bird your self analysis as being a football genius is really tested with this statement in my opinion as I strongly believe that Lynch is one of our most important players and forwards as not only a lead up link player but one that can score marking and loose ball goals .
With him in team we hopefully would be able to leave tall near goal square rather than Eddie trying to out mark 2- 3 tall defenders .
Like some AFL coaches I believe that you have over thought the situation or bogged down to certain thinking.
There is many forward structures that work and Suns is one club with proof that a abundance of talls work .

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Just an outside thought for the squad tonight…i think it's imperative that Otten doesn't miss a game as travelling emergency.

Therefore, maybe Luke Thompson can sit out a week and go over to Melbourne to watch from the stands.

Also, Matt Crouch will surely play a full game somewhere so in the unlikely event he is dropped for Lyons, he should stay home and play.

As for the 23rd man, it will almost certainly be Lyons and Crouch to start in the 21.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Team Balance = Lynch is NOT Best 22.

Not even bothering to read the explanation of Lynch not being best 22 on team balance.

Lynch is first 10 picked on team balance.

Find me a better forward in the comp that does what he does? There's probably about 4 or 5, Riewoldt being the best.

 

[Thylacinus]

It was good to see someone in a crows guernsey with balls for a change

I wonder how long it will be before Tex gives away a crucial 50 or gets reported. However, he seems to know the limit/line and he takes it to within a mm of it, without crossing it. I often hear the umpires yelling...in fact screaming at him...but he gets away with it. He seems to have permission from his coach to play the role of stirrer/intimidator/enforcer.

 

[BrissyCrow]

I see the team as being better for having Lynch in it. One of our areas of concern is how we get the ball into our forward lines. Lynch to me is one player that improves how we deliver the ball in. Hes a link between our forwards and mids or our forwards and defenders. Any thought of not playing Lynch when he is fit borders on stupidity.

 

[AFC979810]

I think we can carry Lynch, Pods, Jenkins, Walker - due to the fact we only carry one ruckman.

Interesting to notice that 3 of the top 4 sides currently carry 2 full time ruckman.

Port - Lobbe
Sydney - Pyke, Derickx
Hawks - McEvoy, Hale
Geelong - Simspon, McIntosh

Also - looking statistically at total hitouts. The top 7 for total hitouts - Sandilands, Minson, Warnock, Goldstein, Jacobs, Hampson, West. 5 of these 7 teams aren't in the top 8.

Makes me very very concerned what happens if Jacobs goes down... Would we need to go to two fulltime ruckman (Graham/McKernan). *shudder*.

Also really think with the load that Jacobs is carrying we really need to give him a week off against Sandilands. Save him the travel to Perth and absolute belting he will get....

Addressing our ruck stocks should be our #1 concern this year. We need to move heaven and earth to land a Gorringe / Lycett / Nankervis.

 

[Jack is Back]

I see a great opportunity for Sando to take the wind out of the "Lyons must play" campaign.

He will be named in the 25 and go over as the travelling emergency this weekend . Since the twos play on Sunday he will not get a run this week. The bonus for Sando is that the twos have a bye next week so he can then say prior to the Freo match, "Lyons has been a bit quiet in recent weeks"

 

[40porpoise]

I wonder how long it will be before Tex gives away a crucial 50 or gets reported. However, he seems to know the limit/line and he takes it to within a mm of it, without crossing it. I often hear the umpires yelling...in fact screaming at him...but he gets away with it. He seems to have permission from his coach to play the role of stirrer/intimidator/enforcer.

He gave away a 50 last year against Freo in that final. Doesn't matter with tex though because he makes up for it by winning the game