Autopsy Geelong loses to Lions by 44 points. - Rd 15

[winty]

Hale did and Lloyd toweled him up a couple of times early on in his career but you have to factor in the team at which time Scarlett debuted. We were sh*t, lol, seriously, we were babies and he was thrown into the deep end when the game was still at it's peak for full forwards.

Tom Stewart has walked into an elite team full of veterans with pretty decent backs in Lonergan, Mackie, Taylor and Tuohy to cover for his development.

You need to watch that Hale game again. At least 5 of Hale's goals were kicked on Harley and Taylor.

 

[Romeoh1]

I'm not saying we are going to capitulate and lose every game but if our ambitions are to win the premiership we can't accept that type of performance. We lost against Richmond in the grand final when the pressure went up and we started playing defensive (safe) football. This team simply struggles when teams get in our faces and don't give us space - its been a halmark of Scott and the reason we haven't won a premiership with our list. We are missing the 'it' factor.

Lol- keep your shirt on! Richmond were just better than us. Like they were better than every other team.
Pretty sure we have won several games this year when teams were ‘in our faces’.
We are going along ok, we will be thereabouts in September.

 

[Play it Sam]

I'll again ask - what is Ratugolea's actual role in the team?

He starts in the ruck at the centre bounce, but then does very little other ruck work and isn't a marking target up forward or elsewhere

According to the stats, tonight Ratugolea had 8 disposals @50% DE, 8 hitouts, 1 tackle, 4 clearances and 5 clangers - 0 marks also

There's no one match where he's had more hitouts than the guy supporting him or also playing in the ruck - surely that's pretty damning for a guy being selected to play ruck

Statically, he's marginally better than previous seasons but I don't see him actually having a better impact or influence on matches than in previous years. Let him develop in the VFL, and if he's going to play seniors he needs to have a defined role and not sure he does at the moment

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I've been on the *ratsnotready team with you for some time, but add those stats to his previous figures and even the most forgiving and ardent fan will have to jump off the Sav wagon. No matter what his role is, he is far too lumbering and slow to be effective anywhere, as his clangers show.
He's shocking at ground level and for a player of his size, not one mark,nada- that's an unfortunate liability.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Funny how we all see the game differently. I think he’s one of the best FBs in the comp and he should be playing there every week. Particularly against teams like Brisbane / WCE with multiple marking threats.

I think he's a terrible footballer but a great athlete whose running power allows him to get to repeat contests that not many can. That running camouflages his serious lack of footy nous. Given time to think about things he's terrible. He's definitely best 22, I think the role he was playing with Stanley this season was about his best role.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Bad game and mainly... I think we press the reset button. Too much that was poor.

Higgins is not impressing me. GA jr with a bung should er in the GF did more than him. Does he ever bodyline the ball. Does he back himself with he reputed kicking skills.

Our strength is our weakness. Too much reliance on the big 3 forwrds. Our mids do not kick enough goals.

Brisbane came in with the plan to get back and flood the those forward targets.

The midfield look like they all were sore from last week.

In the end when you have a game like that nothing looks any good. Almost too many things looks in need of attention.

Tonight we played like an old team , and not in a good way.

The positive is that an exposed weakness is something that you can learn from. Trouble is its somnthing other can learn from as well.

nothing really inventive or new from Brisbane. Just flooded and slingshot quick all night. Teams have done this to us all season and failed. When you play as poor as we did tonight whatever the opposition does looks like Gold.

we would have lost to most teams tonight on that form. I feel the last few weeks have taken it out of us, we looked half arsed and they seemed very primed for it.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Brisbane were very good. Yeah Daniher is a blatant diver but it doesn't matter, they beat us everywhere. Can you imagine if Hipwood could kick? Brisbane's defensive running to zones just shut us out and none of our players worked hard enough to break it open. Their defensive work was outstanding and their offensive movement was direct and fast.

Usually when you see players outnumbered at the contest you expect to be owning the outside and creating turnovers after the clearance but we didn't own the outside at all. That's just pure workrate. Zero running. It was like the crows match in round 1 all over again.

Positives:

1. I liked what Tuohy was doing down back and the work he was putting in to move it forward

2. Smith is a workhorse when the chips are down

4. MOC when he started running off his opponent had some good patches

4. Bews work on Cameron after he went to him was alright I guess

Less positive things

1. Not sending Bews to Cameron first up. That's just disrespectful

2. Compete lack of work rate. After a few big games back to back you can excuse a bit of a dip but this was just extracting the urine.

3. Dangerfield kicking

4. Whatever Savs role is we can't carry the extra tall in the front half. I'm happy for Blitz to ruck a fair bit but the other ruck has to be competitive the majority of the game. I recommend dropping a defender and swapping Sav for Fort potentially. I don't want to overreact because I like him when he's on and physically driving himself through congestion, but get him to work on it in the 2s.

5. Tom Stewart wtf was that 50 against Cameron? Be a leader and pull your head in

6. Commentary telling us all about how we were winning contested ball is someone reading the stats blind. We had high numbers because we, under pressure, sold it off to other players under pressure over and over again.

7. Quality of disposal across the board. How many regulation kicks went over heads or hit the deck?

8. The performance was so bad across the board its hard to identify significant non-contributors

How much of an excuse is the side being cooked after a few big games? I think it excuses the first 3 or 4 goals against. The rest of the game requires further critique.

 

[bellpark]

Midfield needs some decent coaching input/strategy because that was pathetic by both coaches and players tonight to be flogged in the first quarter but not really turn it around apart from a few short bursts. Slow, out of position and hesitant. I love Toohey but How many times does he get caught and cannot get rid of it - seems to hold on for second efforts and gets done every time for holding the ball. He needs to sort that out. Dahlhaus just so poor - he has to go short term, but I believe Close has earned a second chance. Miers in for Dal. On the backline I say hold the lie. And stick to it - fix the midfield and the backline is fine.

 

[My Tilly]

You need to watch that Hale game again. At least 5 of Hale's goals were kicked on Harley and Taylor.

I remember it but not all that well.
I do know Scarlett was beaten by Hale in one-on-one contests which was rare to see as Scarlett was the best defender in the game at that time. Turns out it was just a once off as he only ever scored no more than 2 goals until Scarlett's retirement.

 

[Seeds]

Hale did and Lloyd toweled him up a couple of times early on in his career but you have to factor in the team at which time Scarlett debuted. We were sh*t, lol, seriously, we were babies and he was thrown into the deep end when the game was still at it's peak for full forwards.

Tom Stewart has walked into an elite team full of veterans with pretty decent backs in Lonergan, Mackie, Taylor and Tuohy to cover for his development.

I didn’t mention the Lloyd ones for exactly the reason you state. Hale did it in 2008 when Geelong was the best team in the land. Hell geelong won the game by 30 points. Hale hardly got a lot of supply. Kicked 8 with 4 of them atleast against Scarlett. Riewoldt and fev have also gotten a hold of Scarlett whilst Scarlett was in his prime.

stewart only got 2 goals kicked on him by cameron.

saying tonights game showed Stewart will never be as elite as an Enright or Scarlett is just silly. They both had worse games in their career then Stewart’s tonight. And so has Stewart. All champs occasionally get done. But what makes them champs is it’s bloody rare.

 

[Chinacats]

Played like some fans wanted. Okay to lose because we beat Port and the Dogs. Mindset issues! Now out of the top 4 probably . Oh dear....

 

[calder_daddy]

I'm backing ya.

Smart

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Brisbane were very good. Yeah Daniher is a blatant diver but it doesn't matter, they beat us everywhere. Can you imagine if Hipwood could kick? Brisbane's defensive running to zones just shut us out and none of our players worked hard enough to break it open. Their defensive work was outstanding and their offensive movement was direct and fast.

Usually when you see players outnumbered at the contest you expect to be owning the outside and creating turnovers after the clearance but we didn't own the outside at all. That's just pure workrate. Zero running. It was like the crows match in round 1 all over again.

Positives:

1. I liked what Tuohy was doing down back and the work he was putting in to move it forward

2. Smith is a workhorse when the chips are down

4. MOC when he started running off his opponent had some good patches

4. Bews work on Cameron after he went to him was alright I guess

Less positive things

1. Not sending Bews to Cameron first up. That's just disrespectful

2. Compete lack of work rate. After a few big games back to back you can excuse a bit of a dip but this was just extracting the urine.

3. Dangerfield kicking

4. Whatever Savs role is we can't carry the extra tall in the front half. I'm happy for Blitz to ruck a fair bit but the other ruck has to be competitive the majority of the game. I recommend dropping a defender and swapping Sav for Fort potentially. I don't want to overreact because I like him when he's on and physically driving himself through congestion, but get him to work on it in the 2s.

5. Tom Stewart wtf was that 50 against Cameron? Be a leader and pull your head in

6. Commentary telling us all about how we were winning contested ball is someone reading the stats blind. We had high numbers because we, under pressure, sold it off to other players under pressure over and over again.

7. Quality of disposal across the board. How many regulation kicks went over heads or hit the deck?

8. The performance was so bad across the board its hard to identify significant non-contributors

How much of an excuse is the side being cooked after a few big games? I think it excuses the first 3 or 4 goals against. The rest of the game requires further critique.

just on the Cameron match up. Think in the past Cameron has proven too good for bews and given him a few big beltings. Don’t really trust bews to beat him sadly, can see why they gave Stewart a go

 

[My Tilly]

I didn’t mention the Lloyd ones for exactly the reason you state. Hale did it in 2008 when Geelong was the best team in the land. Hell geelong won the game by 30 points. Hale hardly got a lot of supply. Kicked 8 with 4 of them atleast against Scarlett. Riewoldt and fev have also gotten a hold of Scarlett whilst Scarlett was in his prime.

stewart only got 2 goals kicked on him by cameron.

saying tonights game showed Stewart will never be as elite as an Enright or Scarlett is just silly. They both had worse games in their career then Stewart’s tonight. As so has Stewart.

I am not saying Stewart can't be as elite as those others but I personally don't see him ever being at the level of which Enright or Scarlett were for all those years. Enright won B&F's in arguably the greatest team of the last 30 years. That's quite phenomenal when you had Ablett an co out there competing.
Those two (Boris and Scarlo) were absolutely cool ice in our premiership years. In fact, how good did it feel when the game was in the balance and you had about 2-3 minutes remaining and the ball was in either Enright, Scarlett or Milburn's hands? You just knew the ball was safe with those three down back.

 

[feelinfeline]

Dahl has had one good game for the year, Sav maybe not even that.

Higgins looks shot. Kolo continues to bumble along.

Will the MC drop any of them? It will take a major change of approach.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I'm not saying we are going to capitulate and lose every game but if our ambitions are to win the premiership we can't accept that type of performance. We lost against Richmond in the grand final when the pressure went up and we started playing defensive (safe) football. This team simply struggles when teams get in our faces and don't give us space - its been a halmark of Scott and the reason we haven't won a premiership with our list. We are missing the 'it' factor.

Geelong lost he gf when Martin stepped it up a notch.

 

[Play it Sam]

Too slight and not prepared to take the game on. You want a small forward who can kick goals. Miers is a much better option.

Close needs 18 months in the gym and at VFL level.

We need to recruit or draft a small forward that's classy and impacts the scoreboard consistently.

First we must play Stanley.

That's a bit harsh on Close, a player who has given 100% and fitted in seamlessly.
He played from behind all night, had no luck and was outclassed.
He had many mates. Menegola I'm looking at you (again)

 

[Cursed Cat]

Dahl has had one good game for the year, Sav maybe not even that.

Higgins looks shot. Kolo continues to bumble along.

Will the MC drop any of them? It will take a major change of approach.

Are you on the Francis Evans bandwagon?
Y/N.
?

 

[Seeds]

I am not saying Stewart will not be as elite as those others but I personally don't see him ever being at the level of which Enright or Scarlett were.
Those two were absolutely cool ice in our premiership years. In fact, how good did it feel when the game was in the balance and you had about 2-3 minutes remaining and the ball was in either Enright, Scarlett or Milburn's hands? You just knew the ball was safe with those three down back.

The flags make us forget all their mistakes.

one season Enright infuriated me as every week he would do a shocking turnover.

we would not remember milburn so fondly if we lost the 2009 grand final.

scarlett also had his brain fades.

 

[Seeds]

That's a bit harsh on Close, a player who has given 100% and fitted in seamlessly.
He played from behind all night, had no luck and was outclassed.
He had many mates. Menegola I'm looking at you (again)

So what if he gives 100 percent. Effort doesn’t necessarily solve the problem of a lack of skill.


no one questions his intent. It’s not his problem.

 

[Romeoh1]

Played like some fans wanted. Okay to lose because we beat Port and the Dogs. Mindset issues! Now out of the top 4 probably . Oh dear....

Nobody wants us to lose. It’s ok to acknowledge the reality- we are not a team that is so good it will win every game it plays in. Brissy at home are now a pretty hard to beat outfit. We could have easily been 0-3 after the last 3 games, so am I pleased with 2-3? Yep. And are we out of top 4 contention now? Nope.

 

[kickazz]

Dahl has had one good game for the year, Sav maybe not even that.

Higgins looks shot. Kolo continues to bumble along.

Will the MC drop any of them? It will take a major change of approach.

Dahl doesn't get much stats wise but at least when it's his turn he puts the body on the line in the contest, sometimes getting a crucial tap or halving a contest he is outnumbered in. He could still play a role in a hard final.

Higgins I'm just not so sure. Really struggling now, what happens when finals intensity comes along? It could get embarrassing

 

[juzcat]

Who do we rate as good ball users by foot under pressure

GREAT
Duncan
Smith
Stewart
Hawkins
Menegola?

CLOSE EYES AND PRAY
Danger
Blitz
Kolo
Higgins
Sav

Rest are just average users

Struggling to find 10 players





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[catstragic]

Need to see some steel at the selection table as well, with Rata and Higgins simply demanding to go out after tonight. Rata in not even close to meriting his spot, and Higgins is either cooked or playing while underdone. Either way, he is shirking contests, fumbling the balls he does win, and clearly not handling the heightened pressure around the ball. Close and Dahl really struggled as well but might hold on in the absence of other fit and 'in form' options for their roles.

I thought Close was alright, Not a great game but not terrible. Dahl was impressively uninfluential. Lots of him being second man to already tackled player, not alot else. Esava's main strength is his contested marking, and his tap work is a bonus to that, and his 2nd effort groundball get ruckwork is a further bonus. Problem is he kind of sucks at the first two currently and he still can't kick for goal. He has had a good run, but he appears to have stagnated for now so Stanley really has to come in. I don't get so many people hating on Higgins contact work, he has been up there in tackle counts most games he played and ends up buried in opposition players trying to break out of contests most games. Issue is he is kicking like Bews.

 

[Play it Sam]

So what if he gives 100 percent. Effort doesn’t necessarily solve the problem of a lack of skill.


no one questions his intent. It’s not his problem.

100% in skills and output.
Don't tell me you think he hasn't been excellent?
You love taking people literally don't you?

 

[Cursed Cat]

That's a bit harsh on Close, a player who has given 100% and fitted in seamlessly.
He played from behind all night, had no luck and was outclassed.
He had many mates. Menegola I'm looking at you (again)

Such a hard player to rate imo - always looks to be going at half-pace, and has a kind of arrogance about his kicking ... I kind of back him in to minimize his deficiencies and make the most of his skillset, but there are weeks when he just seems to be cruising along. Just has the one gear.

The best things about Menegola are his unashamed goal hungriness and I do like to see him plucking overhead marks on the wing with a player on his hammer.