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Originally posted by Joffaboy
Reality is that your myth about Carlton has been blown out of the water.
What is my myth about Carlton?

Answer it without disgressing if that's at all possible for you mr queen-of-disgressing.
 
Originally posted by Deej
What is my myth about Carlton?

Answer it without disgressing if that's at all possible for you mr queen-of-disgressing.

I love the way you take one sentance in a whole post, completely out of the context it was used in and zero in on that.

Everyone can read my original post and can see i was answering your question of what was my point.

You try and deflect the answer with this one out of context question. Well get stuffed you devaluer and demeaner of our club, your club is a rabble looking for handouts and your critisise the Sainst success.

Go down to the AFL dole office and pick up your $2 million dollars hypocrite.

And I wont answer your question, read it in context if you can. Tool.

BTW - I know thatyour pathetic self esteem wont allow it, but dont bother replying, because you are not worth conversing with.

Your flights of fantasy's are beginning to disturb me. You may need to seek professional help.
 
Originally posted by Deej
Rubbish. If it weren't for the draft Matthew Lloyd might be a carlton champion. There'd be no such thing as rebuilding as we currently know it. Riewoldt would be playing for Brisbane and BJ & probably Hamill too would still be at Carlton. The league ladder would be COMPLETELY different and your beloved saints would probably sitting on the bottom or near to it.

this is the sort of tripe that infuriates me !

and if melbourne hadnt told peter hudson he couldnt play then we would have had the best converting full forward of all time.....

might be, could be , should be......deej.....you are a shortsighted whinger...
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 

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Pretty simple to solve this hypothetical. Open the competition up and see what happens. see if St.Kilda or Carlton or whoever gets these players now that we are all better educated in player spotting via better structure etc. I reckon Carlton would vote yes and St.Kilda no. If that's true then there's your answer.
 
Originally posted by MarkT
Pretty simple to solve this hypothetical. Open the competition up and see what happens. see if St.Kilda or Carlton or whoever gets these players now that we are all better educated in player spotting via better structure etc. I reckon Carlton would vote yes and St.Kilda no. If that's true then there's your answer.
Carlton need $$$'s from the AFL. They are learning to do what they're told.
 
Joffa, my point is that i think you write 50 lines and precious little of it actually means anything, it's all just hot air **** and wind mostly designed to abuse and insult. Your post above was just a bunch of cliches & throwaway lines, didn't actually mean much because it's agenda driven and is built on something about me that you've manufactured to paint a certain picture. I haven't got any myth about carlton & my ideas aren't fantasy land. You summed up what this is all about when you said,

"Well get stuffed you devaluer and demeaner of our club"

...all the rest of your input against me is nothing more than you getting defensive.

Truth hurts more than anything fiction could ever conjure up. That's why i infuriate you and nutbrains, because i speak the truth.
 
Originally posted by Deej
Joffa, my point is that i think you write 50 lines and precious little of it actually means anything, it's all just hot air **** and wind mostly designed to abuse and insult. Your post above was just a bunch of cliches & throwaway lines, didn't actually mean much because it's agenda driven and is built on something about me that you've manufactured to paint a certain picture. I haven't got any myth about carlton & my ideas aren't fantasy land. You summed up what this is all about when you said,

"Well get stuffed you devaluer and demeaner of our club"

...all the rest of your input against me is nothing more than you getting defensive.

Truth hurts more than anything fiction could ever conjure up. That's why i infuriate you and nutbrains, because i speak the truth.

the next original thought that pops into your head will be your first
keep it up pauline
Xenophobic ! ( please explain?)
 
heres the truth deej...
22 footballers on the field for the last 6 years who arent up to it.
An administration that has bankrupted your club.
Thats the truth about Carlton....
excuses and conspiracy theories...
reflect in past glories as your present is ordinary....
 
Originally posted by nutbeennn
the next original thought that pops into your head will be your first
keep it up pauline
Xenophobic ! ( please explain?)
I am not xenophobic, I've travelled the globe 4 times and love other cultures and people. Actually i prefer other cultures to the western one we live in, so i'd say i hardly fit the stereotype of the xenophobe nutface.
 
Originally posted by MarkT
Yet they'd still vote yes to open competition I would think.
Probably, but that would be their arrogance showing.

They can hardly complain about the cap and draft when they are stuggling to make ends meat in the present system. If they went and spent millions on players, they would be hoping this would lead to success and increased dollars.

Lets say the draft & salary cap are gone at the end of this season. St Kilda would spend up big securing their talent, and with the increase in revenue this year could afford it. Sponsors will be falling over themselves atm to get on board. In fact the timing would suit us perfectly.

Carlton on the other hand, already have contracts they need to honour. On top of that, they would need to spend big $'s to attract some top liners. Without the AFL assistance as an option, they would be betting the future of the club. No success would amount to years in the financial wilderness.

I think this is the reason we have the draft and salary cap.
 
Originally posted by nutbeennn
heres the truth deej...
22 footballers on the field for the last 6 years who arent up to it.
An administration that has bankrupted your club.
Thats the truth about Carlton....
Yep agree with that totally.

Next?
 

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Originally posted by JeffDunne
Probably, but that would be their arrogance showing.

They can hardly complain about the cap and draft when they are stuggling to make ends meat in the present system. If they went and spent millions on players, they would be hoping this would lead to success and increased dollars.

Lets say the draft & salary cap are gone at the end of this season. St Kilda would spend up big securing their talent, and with the increase in revenue this year could afford it. Sponsors will be falling over themselves atm to get on board. In fact the timing would suit us perfectly.

Carlton on the other hand, already have contracts they need to honour. On top of that, they would need to spend big $'s to attract some top liners. Without the AFL assistance as an option, they would be betting the future of the club. No success would amount to years in the financial wilderness.

I think this is the reason we have the draft and salary cap.
Yes but at least it would be because we are crap, not because of the system. There would be integrity in the reasons why we are crap. That's all i want to be truthful.
 
Originally posted by Deej
I am not xenophobic, I've travelled the globe 4 times and love other cultures and people. Actually i prefer other cultures to the western one we live in, so i'd say i hardly fit the stereotype of the xenophobe nutface.
..


look up the word xenophobic "mr world traveller" ...yikes !
then look up the word uneducated moron
 
Originally posted by Deej
Joffa, my point is that i think you write 50 lines and precious little of it actually means anything, it's all just hot air **** and wind mostly designed to abuse and insult. Your post above was just a bunch of cliches & throwaway lines, didn't actually mean much because it's agenda driven and is built on something about me that you've manufactured to paint a certain picture. I haven't got any myth about carlton & my ideas aren't fantasy land. You summed up what this is all about when you said,

"Well get stuffed you devaluer and demeaner of our club"

...all the rest of your input against me is nothing more than you getting defensive.

Truth hurts more than anything fiction could ever conjure up. That's why i infuriate you and nutbrains, because i speak the truth.

you infuriate because you speak a load of one-sided crap, are bitter about what happened at Carlton and want someone to blame, and see St Kilda as everything that is wrong with the AFL, Australia, society and the world. Then you try and prove it with pages of dribble that makes no sense and prove time and again that your main attributes are stubborness, inability to accept facts and a large dollop of elitism. Three qualities that sum up Carlton and many of their supporters beautifully.

but anyway, we look forward to thrashing the pants off you next week, fingers crossed, but by all means get as many excuses in as you can before then.
 
Originally posted by kahuna71
you infuriate because you speak a load of one-sided crap, are bitter about what happened at Carlton and want someone to blame, and see St Kilda as everything that is wrong with the AFL, Australia, society and the world. Then you try and prove it with pages of dribble that makes no sense and prove time and again that your main attributes are stubborness, inability to accept facts and a large dollop of elitism. Three qualities that sum up Carlton and many of their supporters beautifully.

but anyway, we look forward to thrashing the pants off you next week, fingers crossed, but by all means get as many excuses in as you can before then.


here here..well said..
(except for StKilda beating Carlton...couldnt give a toss ...well....maybe not......i couldnt bear the posts of deej..if the blues happen to beat your mob)
 
Originally posted by nutbeennn
here here..well said..
(except for StKilda beating Carlton...couldnt give a toss ...well....maybe not......i couldnt bear the posts of deej..if the blues happen to beat your mob)


here here ?
there there ?

i think me should have said hear hear !
 
Originally posted by Deej
Yes but at least it would be because we are crap, not because of the system. There would be integrity in the reasons why we are crap. That's all i want to be truthful.
That’s like being rogered by a priest who claims it's ok because he has integrity.

Any system that favours some teams over others is flawed.

While there are inequities in the present system, the design is to give all an even chance. If we're talking sporting competitions - I'd call that integrity.
 
Originally posted by nutbeennn
..


look up the word xenophobic "mr world traveller" ...yikes !
then look up the word uneducated moron
Ok.

www.dictionary.com
xenophobic
A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.
adj : suffering from xenophobia; having abnormal fear or hatred of the strange or foreign

So i will say it again, I have travelled the globe 4 times, 60-whatever countries i forget exactly, 4 years on the road in all, I hardly fit the bill as someone who is fearful let alone hateful of anything that is foreign.

Maybe you should stop listening to triple j?
 
Originally posted by JeffDunne
That’s like being rogered by a priest who claims it's ok because he has integrity.

Any system that favours some teams over others is flawed.

While there are inequities in the present system, the design is to give all an even chance. If we're talking sporting competitions - I'd call that integrity.
It's not like a priest rogering anyone and it does not give everyone an even chance at all. A rogering priest has no integrity jeff.

In an open system everyone has an equal chance. StKilda were just as much a chance in 1970 of winning the flag as carlton were, we were just better run as a club that's all. I like the idea of being in control of your own future. I think it's criminal that essendon have won only 1 flag over the past 10 years when they have been clearly the best run club in the league.
 
Deej, have you noticed how this topic gets debated after every St Kilda win? It is only the opposition that is different.

It really is becoming a tired excuse.

The reality is it aint going change. Some tinkering might happen but the draft and salary cap are part of the game and will be for a long time to come.

You like talking business models, so highlight to me where the AFL are failing so dramatically with theirs. Equity amoungst clubs has been a key ingredient in it.

But if you think the present system is all about laying dead for a couple of years and just waiting your turn, then hopefully the Carlton admin will share your belief and give football fans many years of pleasure watching Carlton hold up the bottom of the ladder.
 
Originally posted by JeffDunne
Deej, have you noticed how this topic gets debated after every St Kilda win? It is only the opposition that is different.

It really is becoming a tired excuse.

The reality is it aint going change. Some tinkering might happen but the draft and salary cap are part of the game and will be for a long time to come.
Jeff i have never flinched from this stance, i have always been against the draft since day one. And sadly i think you're right, the draft is here to stay. In reality you haven't got long to wait until you don't hear my whinging anymore, as the APL is starting up next year. Nothing surer trust me AFL will lose me as a general fan, will be soccer's gain, plenty might say good riddence and that is a-ok by me too.

I suspect it's becoming tiresome for you to hear these things because we aren't changing our stance on the issue. That's called integrity in convictions mate.
 
Originally posted by Deej

In an open system everyone has an equal chance. StKilda were just as much a chance in 1970 of winning the flag as carlton were, we were just better run as a club that's all. I like the idea of being in control of your own future. I think it's criminal that essendon have won only 1 flag over the past 10 years when they have been clearly the best run club in the league.
Carlton better run as a club??Control of your own future??
you were cheating for Gods sake. The only thing criminal in the past 10 years was your club.:mad: :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by The Fireman
Carlton better run as a club??Control of your own future??
you were cheating for Gods sake. The only thing criminal in the past 10 years was your club.:mad: :rolleyes:
Absolute rubbish. Elliott&co via Carlton broke the afl rules not the laws of the country. There are no criminals out of this situation. Talk about waffle jeez dramatise it a bit more would ya.

I can handle carlton getting spanked a lot better if i know we are getting spanked because we just aren't good enough as a club. What i find a bit harder to handle is that we're getting spanked because we are at the spanking stage of the cycle that the system has created. In 3-4 years we will be where the saints are now, provided we bend over a take it like a man of course.
 

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