List Mgmt. Hawk's List Management 2024

[Mitch75]

JUH not even a shadow of the player Bud was.

A bad game for Buddy in his prime was probably 18 disposals, 6 marks and 3 goals 5 behinds.

A bad game for JUH as you say he barely registers a stat.

JUH strikes me more as a handy second forward, like Gunston was in the three peat years.

You don't pay that type of player $1 million.

Exactly… thank you Simon. You don’t pay someone like JUH $1m a year

 

[Mitch75]

I’d be more than happy to pay that for JUH. For a young highly rated KPF, you’re not paying that for what’s he’s done, like drafting, you’re paying that for what you can see him become. He could be a really good KPF - possibly even the best in the league if it all clicks. You don’t get too many chances to get these guys. Why die wondering?

You also don’t wanna die wondering what could’ve been if you hadn’t paid some dud over a million bucks a year for a decade, whose contract no one will want to take over once it’s proven he can’t kick 50 goals in a season

 

[Slainte]

I’d be more than happy to pay that for JUH. For a young highly rated KPF, you’re not paying that for what’s he’s done, like drafting, you’re paying that for what you can see him become. He could be a really good KPF - possibly even the best in the league if it all clicks. You don’t get too many chances to get these guys. Why die wondering?

The economists call it opportunity cost. Spend the money on JUH and you don't have it for a better player. It should be a lot clearer at the end of the coming season whether he is worth the big money. I agree he has upside. How much is the issue.

 

[Topiary]

Exactly… thank you Simon. You don’t pay someone like JUH $1m a year

What happens if he gets better? He develops into a player like he did this year. He got better.
Imagine he and Mitch Lewis together?

We will need to pay him $1m a year for seven years to be in the conversation. Get used to it.

 

[TylerDurden]

JUH will be offered a $10m deal, and WB will cough up. Which squeezes out Smith. It's so obvious it's not funny.

 

[Mitch75]

What happens if he gets better? He develops into a player like he did this year. He got better.
Imagine he and Mitch Lewis together?

We will need to pay him $1m a year for seven years to be in the conversation. Get used to it.

Surely you’d wanna know he can kick a few more than 35 goals before you decide to pay him over a million bucks a season long term. Since when do you pay players way overs like that merely on what they maybe could become, if they pull their finger out?

 

[Simon Crawshay]

What happens if he gets better? He develops into a player like he did this year. He got better.
Imagine he and Mitch Lewis together?

We will need to pay him $1m a year for seven years to be in the conversation. Get used to it.

Lewis is twice the player JUH is.

If JUH is worth $1 million that would value Lewis at probably $1.5 million!

JUH isn't a KPF. He is a tall, lightly framed opportunist forward who has the odd big game.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be handy but how much better really is he than Chol who costs us half as much?

 

[Mitch75]

JUH will be offered a $10m deal, and WB will cough up. Which squeezes out Smith. It's so obvious it's not funny.

Yes. This is what will happen. The better play here is to get Bailey on $700-800k pa for 4-5 years

 

[MrPremiership]

Exactly… thank you Simon. You don’t pay someone like JUH $1m a year

$1m a year isn't what it once was

And definitely not what you think it is when it's 8 years time.

 

[MasterSamurai]

I have my reservations in juh becoming a power frwd. İf Blanck and dgb don't come on like we want/need then our number one priority should be a kpd.

 

[Mitch75]

$1m a year isn't what it once was

And definitely not what you think it is when it's 8 years time.

Yeah yeah, $1m today isn’t the same as $1m a few years ago. It’s still a bit of dough though. And I’m not saying I wouldn’t pay $1m or more a season for a bona fide superstar. But would you pay that for a half baked pudding like JUH?

 

[Simon Crawshay]

$1m a year isn't what it once was

And definitely not what you think it is when it's 8 years time.

Is that actually true though?

I have heard that some clubs automatically increase players existing contracts whenever a new EBA is agreed to?

So a player earning say a million a year will have his contract automatically increased by whatever the increase to the total salary cap is (say 7% to $1,070,000).

 

[tl92]

JUH is 21, the only way to pry a player like that out is to pay overs. I’m fine with that, given where our list is at we can afford that. And for those comparing his stats to buddy, players like buddy don’t exist. He was a one off freak that we were lucky enough to have.

 

[TylerDurden]

Theyd want 3 firsts. It's not happening.

 

[Tony3163]

JUH is 21, the only way to pry a player like that out is to pay overs. I’m fine with that, given where our list is at we can afford that. And for those comparing his stats to buddy, players like buddy don’t exist. He was a one off freak that we were lucky enough to have.

Yep

 

[Topiary]

JUH will be offered a $10m deal, and WB will cough up. Which squeezes out Smith. It's so obvious it's not funny.

Not sure there is that much left in their salary cap.

 

[kirbatron]

The hesitation on JUH is one i dont share. the kids trajectory & ceiling is best fwd in the game in maybe 2 years.

with the cap going up 10mil is FA for the player he will be

 

[HedgeFund]

Yeah yeah, $1m today isn’t the same as $1m a few years ago. It’s still a bit of dough though. And I’m not saying I wouldn’t pay $1m or more a season for a bona fide superstar. But would you pay that for a half baked pudding like JUH?

JUH wouldn’t be in the best 100 players in the competition ATM. He finished 10th in his club B&F and they didn’t even make finals.

Would be ridiculous to offer him such a long lucrative contract based on what he’s produced, and nearly as stupid to punt on him becoming a player deserving such silly money.

If the Dogs or Swans want to tie him up for that much money, for that long, let them duke it out.

Frankly, I don’t think either club’s list manager is that much of an idiot anyhow.

 

[rick_422]

JUH not even a shadow of the player Bud was.

A bad game for Buddy in his prime was probably 18 disposals, 6 marks and 3 goals 5 behinds.

A bad game for JUH as you say he barely registers a stat.

JUH strikes me more as a handy second forward, like Gunston was in the three peat years.

You don't pay that type of player $1 million.

I can understand the point you are trying to make. But it’s a bit misleading saying that those numbers were a bad game for Bud in his prime.
At the same point in their careers (year 3) a bad game for Bud was 5 disposals. 1 mark, 1 goal 2 behind.
Also Jamarra in his third year didn’t have a game that ‘bad’ statistically either.

That being said Bud’s best was much better.

 

[peetoo]

Buddy’s 102 goals in H&A the best for 25 years. Nearest being 94 96 by matty Lloyd before and Kennedy 86 and fevola 89

 

[Blackhawk42]

Lewis is twice the player JUH is.

If JUH is worth $1 million that would value Lewis at probably $1.5 million!

JUH isn't a KPF. He is a tall, lightly framed opportunist forward who has the odd big game.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be handy but how much better really is he than Chol who costs us half as much?

He's 21 years old and came from the Covid crop of 2020.

We like to overrate our own, but suggesting Mitch Lewis is twice the player of Ugle-Hagen is nothing but a supporter bias statement.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

I can understand the point you are trying to make. But it’s a bit misleading saying that those numbers were a bad game for Bud in his prime.
At the same point in their careers (year 3) a bad game for Bud was 5 disposals. 1 mark, 1 goal 2 behind.
Also Jamarra in his third year didn’t have a game that ‘bad’ statistically either.

That being said Bud’s best was much better.

Fair point.

Buddy did kick 71 goals (and 62 points!) though in his third which is miles ahead of where JUH is at .

And yes it's unfair to compare JUH to one of the all time greats but it's relevant when we are talking all time great $$$$ being offered.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

He's 21 years old and came from the Covid crop of 2020.

We like to overrate our own, but suggesting Mitch Lewis is twice the player of Ugle-Hagen is nothing but a supporter bias statement.

You offer me a choice between JUH and Lewis I am taking Lewis hands down.

Mitch Lewis is a true KPF, I don't think JUH will ever have the size to play this role.

The only thing JUH has in his favour is he is three years younger and doesn't have Lewis's history with injuries.

Put it this way if you had to choose between the two Round 1 as our full forward next year to play for your life who you got?

 

[perrdan86]

You offer me a choice between JUH and Lewis I am taking Lewis hands down.

Mitch Lewis is a true KPF, I don't think JUH will ever have the size to play this role.

The only thing JUH has in his favour is he is three years younger and doesn't have Lewis's history with injuries.

Put it this way if you had to choose between the two Round 1 as our full forward next year to play for your life who you got?

Why not both....

 

[Tony3163]

He's 21 years old and came from the Covid crop of 2020.

We like to overrate our own, but suggesting Mitch Lewis is twice the player of Ugle-Hagen is nothing but a supporter bias statement.

Players from other sides are duds, hawthorn players are champions.
This is the way. … goes for other club supporters.