News Jackson Hately requests trade to Adelaide

Pugsley · Nov 17, 2020

Vhaluus said:
how about you read one of the 108 pages written so far rather than come in with a question like this?

October 6

News - Jackson Hately requests trade to Adelaide

in a lot of ways picking up Hately now covers off the jones pick from 2018. Meaning that if Hately comes good with us and becomes a very good player then if jones is a bust (not saying he is) then we are still at least not down from that so called super draft year. We could have easily picked up...

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Mong · Nov 17, 2020

GrommoT said:

I'm with you Grommo. I've always thought they have a similar look.

Pugsley · Nov 17, 2020

**** said:
I'm with you Grommo. I've always thought they have a similar look.

Difference, the one on the right can play footy.

1970crow · Nov 18, 2020

Mr_Moogle said:
I do like that 3 year deals seem to be the new normal at Adelaide. A couple of years ago we were handing out 5 year contracts like candy and it rarely seems to work out in our favour.

We were trying to keep the GF list together. We got ourselves maxed out and over-contracted a couple of guys, it can happen. We didn't **** it up as much as the Pies though. And from all reports 2022 it clears right up.

The Sloane Ranger · Nov 18, 2020

Comeonden said:
Can he play? Didnt set the world on fire at gws and I know out of position. I hope he comes on in his preferred role at AFC

What do you expect from a young player in their first 2 seasons?

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mistylake · Nov 18, 2020

Vhaluus said:
Because people under here no ******* clue what a data analyst does.

Count beans and drink coffee is my best guess.

DJ75 · Nov 18, 2020

1970crow said:
We were trying to keep the GF list together. We got ourselves maxed out and over-contracted a couple of guys, it can happen. We didn't fu** it up as much as the Pies though. And from all reports 2022 it clears right up.

Didn't we? Look back over who has gone and what we got for it - quite the fire sale isn't it?
And yet we are STILL maxed out according to Roo. Imagine being the worst team in a long time AND having a maxed out salary cap.

Now that is fu**ing it up!

1970crow · Nov 18, 2020

DJ75 said:
Didn't we? Look back over who has gone and what we got for it - quite the fire sale isn't it?
And yet we are STILL maxed out according to Roo. Imagine being the worst team in a long time AND having a maxed out salary cap.

Now that is fu**ing it up!

It wasn't a fire sale. We had 2 year contracts in front of Keath and Greenwood, 1 year for Sauce, not sure about CEY. JJ was the only contracted player pushed out, Betts could have stayed but he didn't want to be subject to being dropped. Only issue is what we got for the 2 late starters. Suns had us over a barrel and we got the commensurate result, as we'd done with Lyons. Keath we should have gotten more, but that's about the trade, not about the salary cap.

Obviously Gibbs and Sloane contracts are way overs and Gibbs is getting paid in full in next year's cap while being retired. But Talia's and Tex's big contracts finish next year as does Lynch who would be on the next level down. You'd think if they were to play on, they'd be doing it for the love of the club on $200k, otherwise, they can all find another club to pay them more. You can't turn around a salary cap in a preseason. We weren't even rebuilding until a handful of games into this year. Our salary cap position reflects where the Football Strategy and List Management committees saw our club. And we started this year expecting to play finals and selected as such.

DJ75 · Nov 18, 2020

1970crow said:
It wasn't a fire sale. We had 2 year contracts in front of Keath and Greenwood, 1 year for Sauce, not sure about CEY. JJ was the only contracted player pushed out, Betts could have stayed but he didn't want to be subject to being dropped. Only issue is what we got for the 2 late starters. Suns had us over a barrel and we got the commensurate result, as we'd done with Lyons. Keath we should have gotten more, but that's about the trade, not about the salary cap.

Obviously Gibbs and Sloane contracts are way overs and Gibbs is getting paid in full in next year's cap while being retired. But Talia's and Tex's big contracts finish next year as does Lynch who would be on the next level down. You'd think if they were to play on, they'd be doing it for the love of the club on $200k, otherwise, they can all find another club to pay them more. You can't turn around a salary cap in a preseason. We weren't even rebuilding until a handful of games into this year. Our salary cap position reflects where the Football Strategy and List Management committees saw our club. And we started this year expecting to play finals and selected as such.

Keath, Greenwood, Lyons, Betts, CEY out - bugger all in.

That's a fire sale.

JennyTalia · Nov 18, 2020

**** said:
I'm with you Grommo. I've always thought they have a similar look.

Once again I am always amazed at how different people's perceptions and perspectives can be. The whole qualia of is my red the same as your red? Etc.

Because to me they look nothing alike at all.

MarcusP2 · Nov 18, 2020

DJ75 said:
Keath, Greenwood, Lyons, Betts, CEY out - bugger all in.

That's a fire sale.

Fire sale implies you have to intentionally ditch valued assets at cents in the dollar (aka pushing out Treloar and Stephenson while contracted on big coin). We didn't value the players we lost, they were out of contract and we didn't meet the market for them.

That doesn't meant we were correct to value them that way or we didn't get reamed at the trade table, but it also doesn't mean we were dumping everyone. And I think the story that we didn't want to keep older players is bearing out, if we wouldn't even match a band 3 5 year deal for our best midfielder.

Vader · Nov 18, 2020

DJ75 said:
Keath, Greenwood, Lyons, Betts, CEY out - bugger all in.

That's a fire sale.

Lyons was not part of the 2019 fire sale. He was gone years ago.

phill5158 · Nov 18, 2020

Has an average disposal efficiency of 79.3% and a kick efficiency of 80.9% across his first 13 games suggesting he has the composure and skills to be a damaging player. Let's hope he takes his game to another level being back home at his dream club.

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Sidthehat · Nov 18, 2020

Liked the cut of his jib on the SEN interview.

Golumless · Nov 18, 2020

DJ75 said:
Keath, Greenwood, Lyons, Betts, CEY out - bugger all in.

That's a fire sale.

Lyons was 2016 and thus irrelevant to that list. You don't start your fire sale 3 years before actually selling.

The rest? Well that's a pretty poor fire sale. The biggest asset was a cooked 33 year old money wise (and Jenkins, who was probably conveniently forgotten about) and we did the right thing there. Probably the only regret is Greenwood really, but Hately mitigates that now.

Mismatched · Nov 18, 2020

phill5158 said:
Has an average disposal efficiency of 79.3% and a kick efficiency of 80.9% across his first 13 games suggesting he has the composure and skills to be a damaging player. Let's hope he takes his game to another level being back home at his dream club.

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Disposal efficiency means relatively squat unless you factor in the context of disposals. Jake Kelly has a disposal and kicking efficiency at 82%!!! He gets this by chipping the ball sideways and backwards to un marked players offering very little offensive value. Often the better kicks have less efficiency because they are the ones chosen to take the more difficult, attacking options with a much higher chance of failure.

phill5158 · Nov 18, 2020

James_37 said:
Disposal efficiency means relatively squat unless you factor in the context of disposals. Jake Kelly

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has a disposal and kicking efficiency at 82%!!! He gets this by chipping the ball sideways and backwards to un marked players offering very little offensive value. Often the better kicks have less efficiency because they are the ones chosen to take the more difficult, attacking options with a much higher chance of failure.

I see what you mean but I saw Hatelys debut and he is all class, just looked like he belonged in the big league. He is one of those players that is just ready to go, unfortunately for him he got picked up by GWS who he was always going to struggle to break into the side with.

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Mismatched · Nov 18, 2020

SugarShane said:
Fair enough too. Offering anything at all was more than we had to do as they had 0 leverage in the situation and knew it. We were probably frustrating to negotiate with because there was literally no reason to even begin a negotiation. That's the nature of the beast and we've been reamed enough times to finally win one.

Smacks of faux outrage by McCartney in an effort to save face in the media and for supporters.

They clearly chose to focus on trading Cameron and Caldwell as they had far better hands to play.

With the PSD #1 pick in play, the onus was on GWS to make the Hately deal happen. We obviously displayed a willingness to do a trade for the right price, but weren't going to go out of our way to prize him out that way. Early 20's picks were never on the table, if they'd acted early they might have got us to pick 33, but that got traded. They may have been able to pry a deal like future Melbourne 2nd for their future 3rd or something.

There were going to be ways of finding value for GWS, in the end they chose not to bother effectively.

Golumless · Nov 18, 2020

phill5158 said:
Has an average disposal efficiency of 79.3% and a kick efficiency of 80.9% across his first 13 games suggesting he has the composure and skills to be a damaging player. Let's hope he takes his game to another level being back home at his dream club.

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This is a timely reminder to not equate disposal efficiency and kick efficiency (in particular) to being a damaging disposer of the football. Not without pairing it with another stat like meters gained at any rate.

For every Shannon Hurn at the top of the DE% list, there is a Luke Brown who gets to the top by taking safe and minimal damage options.

For a true Adelaide centric example, Jake Kelly slaughters Lachie Sholl in disposal efficiency (81.2% to 70.5%) and yet Kelly is not fit to tie Sholls bootlaces when it comes to kicking damage.

Vhaluus · Nov 18, 2020

1970crow said:
It wasn't a fire sale. We had 2 year contracts in front of Keath and Greenwood, 1 year for Sauce, not sure about CEY. JJ was the only contracted player pushed out, Betts could have stayed but he didn't want to be subject to being dropped. Only issue is what we got for the 2 late starters. Suns had us over a barrel and we got the commensurate result, as we'd done with Lyons. Keath we should have gotten more, but that's about the trade, not about the salary cap.

Obviously Gibbs and Sloane contracts are way overs and Gibbs is getting paid in full in next year's cap while being retired. But Talia's and Tex's big contracts finish next year as does Lynch who would be on the next level down. You'd think if they were to play on, they'd be doing it for the love of the club on $200k, otherwise, they can all find another club to pay them more. You can't turn around a salary cap in a preseason. We weren't even rebuilding until a handful of games into this year. Our salary cap position reflects where the Football Strategy and List Management committees saw our club. And we started this year expecting to play finals and selected as such.

If we pay Tex ANYTHING to continue on after his contract is over we're ****ing stupid.

If the man had any love for the club or dignity he'd have retired at the end of this year. He is utterly broken and it's not going to get better.

Gets! · Nov 18, 2020

I'm still happily surprised we used the PSD to our advantage here. Great result.

Golumless · Nov 18, 2020

Gets! said:
I'm still happily surprised we used the PSD to our advantage here. Great result.

Likewise. After the Brad Crouch fiasco, I thought we'd blink and try to play Hately off as a distraction.

Gets! · Nov 18, 2020

Golumless said:
Likewise. After the Brad Crouch

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fiasco, I thought we'd blink and try to play Hately off as a distraction.

100%.

The PSD is definitely losing its shine and who knows how much longer it will even exist - very happy with this one.

Golumless · Nov 18, 2020

Gets! said:
100%.

The PSD is definitely losing its shine and who knows how much longer it will even exist - very happy with this one.

PSD will always exist, or the AFL will have to replace it with another mechanism that allows players to effectively choose their employer, and are able to get there if trade negotiations break down.

Otherwise, that's just begging for a lawsuit.

Vader · Nov 18, 2020

Golumless said:
PSD will always exist, or the AFL will have to replace it with another mechanism that allows players to effectively choose their employer, and are able to get there if trade negotiations break down.

Otherwise, that's just begging for a lawsuit.

Players can nominate for the ND, and have had this right for several years now (since the AFL changed the List Lodgement dates). The PSD no longer has any valid reason to exist.

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