List Mgmt. List Management 2023-24

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Slim pickings for the free agents but a solid draft crop.

McKay and Himmelberg worth a look - would love us to have a sneaky go at Doedee despite him not really being a need.

Assuming McEntee, Williams, Dumont, Clurey, McKenzie and Hayes are all likely in their last year at Port. Interested to see what happens with Lord, Bonner, Mead and Jackson.

The club may get creative with someone like Jonas, like we did with Goldsack.
 
New year new opportunities

Hampered by our lack of draft picks- but we could also be losing players, or not.. who knows

Pickett - ooc lots of press. Does he sign at melb, ask to be traded .. to Sa or Wa?

Right age profile to fit our list and dominant small forward in the game right now.

Wanganeen-Milera- ooc promising young very outside winger

Is he a need for us? Probably not high on our list of needs.

Ben Mackay - rfa sounds likely to stay at Roos. Fits a massive need, instantly improves us. There’s risk in paying a guy with his injury history, size, and only recent improvement a massive and long contract.

Zerk-thatcher - ooc bombers key defender 195cm 25 next season so ready made. Still proving whether he’s a starting quality player and not depth. Had a good start to the year against a hawks forward line not worth counting.

Worth keeping an eye on.

Redman - rfa half back flanker. Interesting but not at all a need. Don’t think he’s a wise investment of our cap.

Harrison himmelberg - rfa key defender. I don’t watch many full gws games, just bits here and there so others could comment better about his quality than me and whether he’s worth targeting.


Will day - ooc Sa kid. Back flanker hawks are apparently keen to shift into midfield this year. Quality talent, suspect body to start career and very slight when I last saw him. Interesting but is he such a need to pay what hawks might ask? Dunno.


Dylan Stephens - ooc running mid , showing some improvement, not sure he’s a strong need.


Jade Gresham- rfa , pretty good player, I just don’t see the need to spend a chunk of our cap on a hff.

Charlie Ballard - Sa defender contracted until 2025. This one is a hell of a long shot, but I’m such a fan, he would do so well here he’s a mobile intercept marking machine. We should have our hat in the ring and see if he fancies getting out of gcs. Likely to get told to **** off by gcs.

Rat - our advances were spurned by Geelong last year.

Do we go again? I don’t know. For cheap he’s probably worth it with our list, but also, by the time it’s 2024 if we’re playing rat instead of developing pasini and or McCallum I’ll be pretty disappointed.
 
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Fun Ben McKay fact: This is his eighth year on North's list. In that time, he's played in seven wins at AFL level. Seven.

Francis Evans has played in more AFL wins than Ben McKay.
 
McKay, Ballard or Cox to support
Aliir and Pasini next year. Kozzy on the radar, but feel like we could only get him if we lost a commodity like Bergman.
 
A full back should be our focus and not a makeshift FB

Ben McKay would be perfect but let's see how the year plays out. I dare say the suns will lose more players this year and freo have too many tall defenders on their list
 
PAFC_FOREVER said:
What pick do people expect the next Duursma to command?

Happy to get a 3rd Duurs in...

Ruck and KP Defence clearly the biggest issue. Wouldn't wanna overpay for Pickett atm with such limited currency.
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Some have the younger Duursma in their top ten, either way, it is hard to see him still on boad after pick 20.
With a dearth of picks, albeit we have a history of trading back into the draft.

So never say never, we could end up with X, Y, Z Duursmas.
 

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Buget said:
I would love to grab popcorn and watch that. The trade sanctions that would follow would make the Sydney-Franklin restrictions look petty.

But if McKay leaves North’s it will need to be a pretty heavy contract to get him to Port.
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McKays salery isn't an issue.
North will be more than happy to get the 1st round compo for him (guess where Duursma ends up)
I'm thinking we are possibly going to end up with the pick to land Pickett but not sure it's anything other than breaking even losing Mitch or Miles to get it.
 
240volt said:
For me a good KPD is the missing piece to the puzzle.
If we could snag a couple I believe it would put us right into premiership contention.
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Yep, although happy we drafted two at the end of last year. We need more coming through.

Moving forward, we need to add one or more exciting young small forwards, 1-2 key defenders (at least one AFL ready) and find that potentially elite ruckman. Then it’s about adding midfield depth.
This is all predicated on Georgiades staying and Scully coming on as an AFL quality tall forward.
 
davesnothere said:
McKays salery isn't an issue.
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How can you say that?

You can make arguments for why we need him and what he could do for our side ..

.. but they’re speculating it would take a 5yr 800k deal.

That’s top 2 maybe 3 highest paid players at the club in an era where we will have to pay rozee , butters , jhf , Marshall , Spp , Georgiades, Houston , Bergman , burton and duursma just to name a few.

I fully understand the ‘why we need him’ part, but yeah… his salary would indeed be an issue if he’s expecting the money they say (and to get him out of north and vic I believe it)
 
RossFC said:
Reckon a good ruck should be a higher priority than Pickett.
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A very good ruckman and key defender, combined with better coaching would have our list where Melbourne has been placed to contend the past 2-3 years.

Agree, it's a high priority. Teakle and Lycett are not the solution. I have no idea if Hayes could have been under different coaches. Visentini may be. He looks very good to me.
 
philthy05 said:
How can you say that?

You can make arguments for why we need him and what he could do for our side ..

.. but they’re speculating it would take a 5yr 800k deal.

That’s top 2 maybe 3 highest paid players at the club in an era where we will have to pay rozee , butters , jhf , Marshall , Spp , Georgiades, Houston , Bergman , burton and duursma just to name a few.

I fully understand the ‘why we need him’ part, but yeah… his salary would indeed be an issue if he’s expecting the money they say (and to get him out of north and vic I believe it)
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If he wants money, surely North could cough up with their list profile. I’d say whether we are a chance is if he thinks (post Hinkley) we are a real flag chance and wants some success after years of, well North.
 
Speculating about salary is really pointless anyway. At the end of the day, you don't know what he is going to be paid and you don't know the capacity we have in our cap to pay him.

Generally speaking, we manage our cap well. If we drop a large offer on McKay I would have faith in the fact that they are doing it responsibly based on the faith I have in Cripps and co to manage our TPP.

My view:

Short term needs (trade and FA):
B - A grade key defender
A grade ruck

Long term needs (draft):
Inside midfielder
Small-medium forward

McKay fits perfectly as that key defender. Slots right in, massive upgrade over McKenze, Clurey or Jonas. Ratugoloea also looks relatively promising but not sure that option will be there at the end of the year.

Not sure where we are going to find a ruck. We might just need to hope that one of Visentini or Teakle come along. Pretty sure Hayes will be delisted at year end.
 
JakeNeadeFan said:
Speculating about salary is really pointless anyway. At the end of the day, you don't know what he is going to be paid and you don't know the capacity we have in our cap to pay him.
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How is talking about salary any less relevant than any other thing we speculate on, especially in a list management thread?

Well, yeah we do have an idea, we have like what? Over a decade of watching free agents get paid, we know they get paid highly.



as I said, none of this means you don’t get him, but it’s obviously got to be considered.

If we’re bringing in a rfa and making him paid in the top 3 or so players at our club , and yeah, that’s surely what it’s going to take, then where are guys like wines rozee butters Marshall Spp jhf and Houston sitting on that pay scale?


Bringing in Mackay would be an immediate solution to a grave problem, with costs that would bring pressure later.

There’s also the injury history, he’s played less games than orazio, which is massive alarm bells.

The caveat is if we get him on a high but still very modest salary for a free agent key defender say sub $650k … and he stays fit.. it’s a no brainer.

I just think anyone who thinks we’re enticing him away from north and away from Victorian offers for less than a massive offer is nuts. Mcstay got $600k. We paid lycett around 600 didn’t we?

Are the reports of 800k bullshit? Or reality? **** knows, but it’s probably in the neighbourhood of what it would take:

Having said all this it seems fairly likely he’s going to stay at north.
 
philthy05 said:
How is talking about salary any less relevant than any other thing we speculate on, especially in a list management thread?

Well, yeah we do have an idea, we have like what? Over a decade of watching free agents get paid, we know they get paid highly.



as I said, none of this means you don’t get him, but it’s obviously got to be considered.

If we’re bringing in a rfa and making him paid in the top 3 or so players at our club , and yeah, that’s surely what it’s going to take, then where are guys like wines rozee butters Marshall Spp jhf and Houston sitting on that pay scale?


Bringing in Mackay would be an immediate solution to a grave problem, with costs that would bring pressure later.

There’s also the injury history, he’s played less games than orazio, which is massive alarm bells.

The caveat is if we get him on a high but still very modest salary for a free agent key defender say sub $650k … and he stays fit.. it’s a no brainer.

I just think anyone who thinks we’re enticing him away from north and away from Victorian offers for less than a massive offer is nuts. Mcstay got $600k. We paid lycett around 600 didn’t we?

Are the reports of 800k bullshit? Or reality? * knows, but it’s probably in the neighbourhood of what it would take:

Having said all this it seems fairly likely he’s going to stay at north.
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You have no idea how much any player on our list is being paid. You have no idea how much cap space we have banked. You have no idea what our players payment schedules are.

You've put up several amounts... 600k, 800k whatever else...at the end of the day, if he does come to Port we will have no idea how much he is getting paid and where that fits into the overall TPP. It is pure and pointless speculation.

Can you think of any time where Cripps has stuffed up with the TPP? Have we ever lost someone we wanted to keep because we couldn't pay them? The answer, as far as I can remember, is no. So if he does go and out target him, it seems logical to have trust that he is making a decision that will be sustainable in terms of our overall TPP.

Do you really think Cripps would go out and pay a shitload for McKay only to jeopardise keeping Rozee? Seems unlikely to me.

At the end of the day, you can have an opinion about whether he is a good fit. You can have an opinion about his body. You can have an opinion if we have any hope in hell in actually getting him over. All of those things we have some information about. We have no information, outside of bullshit media dribble, about how he would fit into our TPP.
 
JakeNeadeFan said:
You have no idea how much any player on our list is being paid. You have no idea how much cap space we have banked. You have no idea what our players payment schedules are.

You've put up several amounts... 600k, 800k whatever else...at the end of the day, if he does come to Port we will have no idea how much he is getting paid and where that fits into the overall TPP. It is pure and pointless speculation.

Can you think of any time where Cripps has stuffed up with the TPP? Have we ever lost someone we wanted to keep because we couldn't pay them? The answer, as far as I can remember, is no. So if he does go and out target him, it seems logical to have trust that he is making a decision that will be sustainable in terms of our overall TPP.

Do you really think Cripps would go out and pay a shitload for McKay only to jeopardise keeping Rozee? Seems unlikely to me.

At the end of the day, you can have an opinion about whether he is a good fit. You can have an opinion about his body. You can have an opinion if we have any hope in hell in actually getting him over. All of those things we have some information about. We have no information, outside of bullshit media dribble, about how he would fit into our TPP.
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You’re arguing about our list manager not making mistakes with the cap … as if that means he can do whatever he wants.

Maybe he hasn’t made a mistake with our cap because he doesn’t think we’ve got a blank chequebook to sign whoever we want?


yes we can speculate on what it would take to get him.

we can speculate on the improvement on a player, their likelihood to stay fit, willingness to move across the country, whether they can play another position, whether they would play for port, leadership capacity, how long they will play for and so on but salary is a waste of time cause we don’t know what anyone is on?



Lycett went in free agency and there must have been a dozen articles about what we were paying him. We know plenty. Every year we see free agents go and the salaries they get and bands this brings on it is literally the main focus of afl.com.au ‘s reporting.

How many times have you seen a port players skin folds and 20m times?

We don’t have an unlimited cap.

Again, this doesn’t mean we don’t get a player if we decide we want him, it means there’s a cost to get a free agent and in a “list management” thread it’s the perfect place to discuss how deep we would want to go in for Mackay.

Are we happy to make him one of our top earning players for the next 5 years?

Maybe it’s worth it..
 

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