Analysis Lizard people, Trump and other non-corona rabbit holes

[larrikin]

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[Miguel Sanchez]

Oh so it’s scaremongering from a conservative pro-Trump think tank. May as well have pulled it directly from your arse.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Yeah them newspapers owned by billionaire capitalists like Jeff Bezos are hotbeds of far left socialism.

TBF I had no idea who owned them . Just that they are very left leaning sources of news . More opinion peices that cater to their demographic .

As for Jeff Bezos his profile says that he and his wife are partisan to political parties . Their last 2 big donations have been to military veterans which is probably right wing and university scholarships for children of illegal immigrants which would be a left wing cause . Never to any political party .

So your comment doesn't make much sense

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I suppose from the Tower of Pisa’s viewpoint, all the other buildings appear to be leaning the opposite way.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

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Oh so it’s scaremongering from a conservative pro-Trump think tank. May as well have pulled it directly from your arse.

So is it wrong ?

It seems like 35 states are involved in a bill to get ID laws overturned just as I stated .

As per seadogs post republicans have invested 20million into stopping this bill especially after the 2016 California mid term election and the vote harvesting.

You seem to be getting very irate .

I have done what you asked and it still isn't enough for you .

I come in here and ask a valid question get no answer just very emotional backlash because I don't agree with the general consensus.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

So is it wrong ?

It seems like 35 states are involved in a bill to get ID laws overturned just as I stated .

As per seadogs post republicans have invested 20million into stopping this bill especially after the 2016 California mid term election and the vote harvesting.

You seem to be getting very irate .

I have done what you asked and it still isn't enough for you .

I come in here and ask a valid question get no answer just very emotional backlash because I don't agree with the general consensus.

What’s the valid question?

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

What’s the valid question?

And now you being narkie and still refuse to answer questions how very adult of you .

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

And now you being narkie and still refuse to answer questions how very adult of you .

Are you still talking about your question about how black people are adversely affected if they can’t absentee vote?

I still don’t know the answer to that. I’ve looked. I put up my own theory, but that’s apparently not good enough.

It’s only a part of a much bigger issue in any event. Restricting voting to in-person attendance at a polling place will have an adverse effect on large sections of the community - the elderly, the sick and disabled, and people in jobs that can’t get time off on a Tuesday to stand in a line and vote. What colour those affected people are shouldn’t be relevant.

The right to vote is an important one, and as a matter of principle governments should be making it easier for people to exercise that right, not harder. That’s particularly the case in a pandemic when people shouldn’t be leaving the house unnecessarily.

Obviously that needs to be balanced against the threat of voter fraud (although everything I’ve read that wasn’t a Donald Trump tweet suggests that actual cases of voter fraud are extremely low).

From what I’ve read of the Nancy Pelosi bill that your conservative think tank mate refers to, it seems that:
- it’s a Federal Dems attempt to pass legislation prescribing minimum postal voting requirements that the States can’t override. It’s not “35 states involved in a bill”. It’s basically an attempt to pass a uniform national law.
- it contains identification requirements, although it looks like that requirement can be met by signing a stat dec saying you’re who you say you are and providing the last four digits of your social security number. That seems a bit too easy to me, although I know there’s issues about people not having photo ID which I’m not fully across.
- it would need to be passed by the Republican controlled Senate which ain’t gonna happen, so it’s largely moot.

Broadly, I think the idea of ensuring that people in every state can get ready access to postal votes is a good thing. As is a national standard for voter identification. In an ideal world the parties would have a debate about what that standard would look like, and they might end up somewhere in the middle. But unfortunately the US (and seemingly the whole friggen world) has become so partisan that everyone’s either a right wing nut job or a bleeding heart leftie snowflake and the thought of having a rational discourse about such matters is completely out the window.

 

[Dazzler9]

I haven't been following, but can someone explain concisely for me what the uproar is with voter ID for mail in ballots?

It seems reasonable to have a form of ID requirement, but I'm sure there is more to this story that just that...

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

I haven't been following, but can someone explain concisely for me what the uproar is with voter ID for mail in ballots?

It seems reasonable to have a form of ID requirement, but I'm sure there is more to this story that just that...

It's not the person voting, in most states they have to effectively prove that they are who they are .
It's the person handing in those votes that is the problem .
The demercats bill will allow anyone to hand in absentee ballots where as before it had to be mailed in when out of state or country or handed in personally by a family member or someone of the same residential address with ID shown when handing it in . Also a few other situations but I'd was provided .

Allowing anyone to hand absentee ballots in has allowed what is called ballot harvesting . Where anyone including political party representatives prints off hundreds of absentee ballots and walks door to door getting people to sign them using their ID. Then comes coersion , bribery and just throwing away the ballots not associated with the desired political party . This is where the "printing of tens of thousands of ballots " Quote comes from.

All it will mean is that both parties will have an army of people going door to door harvesting votes how ever possible, perfectly good votes will be thrown away and then no one will know who won each state until weeks after the election.

It's just a recipe for fraud which both parties will abuse .

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Yeah that’s another area where Pelosi’s bill goes too far in my opinion. There needs to be tightening up of the conditions under which ballots are issued and returned in order to prevent fraud.

That doesn’t mean the bill as a whole should be thrown out though. (But it will be)

 

[kranky al]

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Our national broadcaster doing an admirable job of condensing down his rampant stupidity into a concise summary.

 

[happy_eagle]

 

[Seadog]

It's not the person voting, in most states they have to effectively prove that they are who they are .
It's the person handing in those votes that is the problem .
The demercats bill will allow anyone to hand in absentee ballots where as before it had to be mailed in when out of state or country or handed in personally by a family member or someone of the same residential address with ID shown when handing it in . Also a few other situations but I'd was provided .

Allowing anyone to hand absentee ballots in has allowed what is called ballot harvesting . Where anyone including political party representatives prints off hundreds of absentee ballots and walks door to door getting people to sign them using their ID. Then comes coersion , bribery and just throwing away the ballots not associated with the desired political party . This is where the "printing of tens of thousands of ballots " Quote comes from.

All it will mean is that both parties will have an army of people going door to door harvesting votes how ever possible, perfectly good votes will be thrown away and then no one will know who won each state until weeks after the election.

It's just a recipe for fraud which both parties will abuse .

I haven't been able to track down a copy of the bill online, have you seen it?
The only reference I could find to "anyone" collecting ballots was that community organizations could do it, which is itself open to abuse but not quite anyone collecting them.
I'm also unaware of cases of party reps printing off hundreds of absentee ballots. The only recent case of large scale fraud was in North Carolina where republican operative was charged with improperly collecting and tampering with ballots in a congressional election in 2018.
Miguel is right, what sort of democracy can't even agree how to conduct elections? There is no doubt mail in voting is is susceptible to fraud but it is not impossible to have effective safeguards, all it would take is the two parties to put self interest aside and work together to implement sensible rules for the good of the democracy.

 

[kranky al]

TBF I had no idea who owned them . Just that they are very left leaning sources of news . More opinion peices that cater to their demographic .

As for Jeff Bezos his profile says that he and his wife are partisan to political parties . Their last 2 big donations have been to military veterans which is probably right wing and university scholarships for children of illegal immigrants which would be a left wing cause . Never to any political party .

So your comment doesn't make much sense

Jeff bezos is the wealthiest man in the world who actively works to thwart unionisation so as to maintain an awful work environment at amazon.

Hes about as far from being a lefty as its possible to be

The fact that you dont know this shows that you are so unqualified to be involved in a discussion about politics that it defies description.

 

[kranky al]

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Our national broadcaster doing an admirable job of condensing down his rampant stupidity into a concise summary.

But the full monologue is so much more entertaining

Trumps speech yesterday:

DONALD TRUMP’S FULL MONOLOGUE

“You know, it was interesting. To show you how fake they are. You might have seen it. So last week they called me, and they say, ‘Sir, West Point. West Point. We’re ready.’ I said, ‘Oh that’s right, I have to make a commencement speech at West Point.’ You know they delayed it for six weeks because of COVID. So they delayed it.
“And I went there, 1106 cadets were graduating, and beautiful. Beautiful cadets. So, just to show you how bad the fake news is. So, they say to me, ‘Sir! We’re ready to go.’ I say, ‘Let’s go!’ This is after saying hello to a lot of cadets; inspecting little areas of a building. That was very exciting, actually, it’s beautiful, very old. Studied a lot of our great generals, some of our presidents that went there. West Point is beautiful. Right on the Hudson River.
“But after an hour – the general that runs it is a fantastic guy – after an hour, we land, we do some more inspections and they say, ‘Sir are you ready?’ ‘Yes, I am.’ So we walk like, the equivalent of about three blocks, which was fine. We go on stage, which is fine. They make some speeches, then I make a speech. It lasted a long time, I don’t know, maybe 45 minutes, maybe longer, I don’t know, but a long time.
“The sun is pouring down on me. OK? But they said to me before the speech, ‘Sir! Would you like to salute each cadet, each single cadet? Or maybe they’ll be in groups of two. Would you like to salute? Like this, yes. (He demonstrates a salute for the crowd.) Like this. (He demonstrates it two more times.)
“Almost six hundred times. Do you know what that is? Six huuuundred tiiiiiiiimes. Thank god they were in twos. Cause let me tell you, you do that six hundred times, you go home and you say – it’s like doing a workout without a weight, right? Six hundred times.
“So I did that. Then the incredible helicopters, brand new, gorgeous helicopters, the Apaches and the other new ones that we just bought, so they fly over. And the kids throw the hats in the air, it’s beautiful, it really is, and it was a beautiful day. And we’re all finished. I was on the stage for hours. Hours! Sun – I came home, I had a nice tan. Meaning I had a nice sunburn. The sun’s going right, like that. (He motions towards his face.)
“But I make the speech. Right? I salute for, probably an hour-and-a-half. Maybe more, but around that. Watch, if I’m off by two minutes, they’ll say, ‘He exaaaaagerated! It was only an hour and 25 minutes. He exaggerated, he lieeeeed. He lied, he’s a liar.’ These people are sick, the fake news. (The crowd boos the reporters behind them.)
“So then, I finish saluting my final salute, I said, ‘Thank goodness, thank you very much.’ (He looks to the heavens.) But think of it. So, essentially, almost six hundred times. Now, the general says, ‘Sir, are you ready?’ I said, ‘I’m ready general. Where are we going now?’ You have to understand, I left early in the morning to get there. Now it’s sort of late in the afternoon.
“A lot of these fakers were with us, so they know. (He points to the reporters, and the crowd jeers again.) He said, ‘Sir! We can now leave the stage.’ I said, ‘That’s great general, let’s go, I’ll follow youuuu.’
“And he goes like this, ‘Right here, sir.’ And I walk off. (He walks away from the microphone, re-enacting the scene. He then shows the crowd the bottom of his shoe, pointing to it and mouthing the word ‘leather’ before returning to the mic. The crowd cheers.)
“And the stage was higher than this one. And the ramp was probably 10 yards (about nine metres) long. I say, ‘Generaaaal!’ Now you’ve got to understand, I’ve got the whole corps of cadets looking at me. And I want them to love their President; I did this big thing. I love them, I love them, they’re incredible, and they do.
“I said, ‘General! I’ve got myself a problem, general. Because I’m wearing leather-bottomed shoes.’ Which is good if you’re walking on flat surfaces. It’s not good for ramps. And if I fall down – look at all those press back there, look at that. (He once again points at the reporters, sparking more boos.)
“And this was a steel ramp. You all saw it, because everybody saw it. This was a steel ramp, it had no handrail. It was like an ice-skating rink. And I said, ‘General, I have a problem.’ And he didn’t understand that at first.
“I said, ‘There’s no way!’ You understand, I just saluted almost six hundred times, I just made a big speech. I sat for other speeches. I’m being baked. I’m being baked like a cake! I said, ‘General, there’s no way I can make it down that ramp without falling on my ass, general. I have no railing.’ True. It’s true!
“So I said, ‘Is there like something else around?’ ‘Sir, the ramp is ready to go! Grab me, sir! Grab me.’ I didn’t really want to grab him. You know why? Because I said, ‘That’ll be a story too.’ So now I have a choice, I can stay up there for another couple of hours and wait till I’m rescued, or I can go down this really steep, really, really really – it’s an ice-skating rink, it’s brutal.
“So I said, ‘General, get ready, because I may grab you so fast.’ Because I can’t fall with the fake news watching. If I fall – I remember when President Ford fell out of the plane. You remember? I remember when another president, nice man, threw up in Japan. And they did slow motion replays. True! Right? It’s true. ‘I don’t want that, general.’
“Now he’s standing, big strong guy, and he’s got these shoes. But they’re loaded with rubber on the bottom. Cause I looked. The first thing I did, I looked at his shoes. Then I looked at mine. Very, very slippery.
“So I end up saying, ‘OK general, let’s go, I will only grab you if I need you.’ That’s not a good story; falling would be a disaster. It turned out to be worse than anything. I would have been better off if I fell and slid down the damn ramp. Right?
“So what happens, is I start the joouuurney! Inch by inch, right? (He re-enacts walking again.) And I was really bent over too, you know, I didn’t like that. I didn’t like this picture. This picture I’m sure will be an ad by the fakers. So I was bent over, right? (He re-enacts being bent over. The crowd laughs appreciatively.)
“And then we finally reached almost the end! And the fake news, the most dishonest human beings, they cut it off. You know why? Because when I was 10 feet (about three metres) short, I said, ‘General, I’m sorry, I’m -,’ and then I ran down the rest, right? I looked very handsome. That was the only good part.
“I wouldn’t want to run down the whole thing, because a fall there would definitely be bad. So I took these little steps, I raaaaan down the last 10. And by the way, their tape – take a look. In almost every instance, it ends just before I run. And they said, it was the number one trending story.
“I call my wife. I said, ‘How good was that speech? I thought it was a-’, hey look, I’ll tell you when I make good ones and bad ones. Like, so far, tonight I’m average. But we’re having fun. We’re having fun. So far tonight.
“But I call my wife and I said, ‘How good was it darling?’ She said, ‘You’re trending number one.’ I said, to our great First Lady I said, ‘Let me ask you a question. Was it that good, the speech, that I’m trending number one? Because I felt it was really good.’ ‘No no, they don’t even mention the speech. They mention the fact that you may have Parkinson’s disease. It’s true. It’s truuuee! (More pointing and more booing.)
“They say, ‘There’s something wrooong with our President!’ I’ll let you know if there’s something wrong, OK? I’ll let you know if there’s something – I’ll tell you what, there’s something wrong with Biden. That I can tell you. So then my wife said, ‘Well, it wasn’t only the ramp. Did you have water?’
“I said, ‘Yeah, I was speaking for a long tiiiiime. I didn’t want to drink it, but I wanted to wet my lips a little bit.’ You know, you’re working hard up there with the sun, poouuuring down on you. I love this location, the sun’s like this. (He motions towards his face again.) This way they save on lighting, right? That’s why they did it, probably.
“So what happens is, I said, ‘What does it have to do with water?’ They said, ‘You couldn’t lift your hand up to your mouth with water.’ I said, ‘I just saluted six hundred tiiimes! Like this. (He salutes again.) And this was before I saluted. So what’s the problem?’ And she said, ‘Well I know what you did. You had on a very good red tie. That’s sort of expensive.’ It’s silk, because they look better. They have a better sheen to them.
“And I don’t want to get water on the tie. And I don’t want to drink much. So I lift it up, the water. I see we have a little glass of water, where the hell did this water come from? (He produces a glass of water from under the lectern.) Where did it come from!? And I look down at my tie, because I’ve done it. I’ve taken water, and it spills down onto your tie, it doesn’t look good for a long time. And frankly the tie is never the same.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Bloody hell. What’s the bet he (a) awards himself a Presidential Medal of Honor for having survived that ordeal, and (b) relates the story to the next lot of military college graduates he addresses and tells them war will be nothing compared with what he’s been through?

 

[kranky al]

Bloody hell. What’s the bet he (a) awards himself a Presidential Medal of Honor for having survived that ordeal, and (b) relates the story to the next lot of military college graduates he addresses and tells them war will be nothing compared with what he’s been through?

I know that feeling when the landing ship hits the beach, the ramp goes down and you run down it.....

 

[Seadog]

I haven't been following, but can someone explain concisely for me what the uproar is with voter ID for mail in ballots?

It seems reasonable to have a form of ID requirement, but I'm sure there is more to this story that just that...

Bill Barr the cover up general has been up to his usual gaslighting.

https://www.barrons.com/news/us-att...warning-on-mail-in-voting-01592754606?tesla=y

 

[Astro7]

That look when your party is a flop...clutching his crumpled Maga cap...grumpy and dishevelled...out-scammed by the scammers!

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Whatever happened to that bloke that was going on holidays for a few days back in April?

 

[Dazzler9]

Whatever happened to that bloke that was going on holidays for a few days back in April?

Got tired of defending the indefensible.

 

[Inside Bull]

Jeff bezos is the wealthiest man in the world who actively works to thwart unionisation so as to maintain an awful work environment at amazon.

Hes about as far from being a lefty as its possible to be

The fact that you dont know this shows that you are so unqualified to be involved in a discussion about politics that it defies description.

While these statements about Amazon are true, it is a bit simplistic to say he is as far away from the left as possible. The economic left yes (he seems aggressively anti-Socialist which is only to be expected for someone of his wealth) but appears fairly socially progressive (was a major backer of same-sex marriage and has also supported reduced border control)

He has kept his political leanings pretty close to his chest overall (for someone with such a huge potential presence) but I don't see him as being far from the establishment democrat, although maybe more libertarian than anything else

 

[kranky al]

While these statements about Amazon are true, it is a bit simplistic to say he is as far away from the left as possible. The economic left yes (he seems aggressively anti-Socialist which is only to be expected for someone of his wealth) but appears fairly socially progressive (was a major backer of same-sex marriage and has also supported reduced border control)

He has kept his political leanings pretty close to his chest overall (for someone with such a huge potential presence) but I don't see him as being far from the establishment democrat, although maybe more libertarian than anything else

So libertarian right rather than authoritarian right.

 

[Inside Bull]

So libertarian right rather than authoritarian right.

Perhaps, I don't know enough about him. I was just pointing up that he is not as far from the left as he could be.