Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[Corn Cobbers]

Daics now hard to stop in the Coaches MVP

 

[Fadge]

Congratulations to Nick Daicos - The 2024 AFLCA Winner.

 

[Fadge]

Daics now hard to stop in the Coaches MVP

He's home.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Congratulations to Nick Daicos - The 2024 AFLCA Winner.

Epic achievement for a 3rd year player

 

[Fadge]

Epic achievement for a 3rd year player

Just think.... if not for injury last year, he would have gone back to back.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Wonder if Heeney will make a vid about how disappointing it is that he missed this game and therefore the MVP

 

[Purple7x08_24]

Heeney OUT

How many games has he played?

 

[Purple7x08_24]

Wonder if Heeney will make a vid about how disappointing it is that he missed this game and therefore the MVP

Will prob make a vid about the challenges ahead in finals.

 

[Fadge]

Personally I put a lot of weight into head to head battles in pivotal moments, which is why I brought up the Bontempelli and Heeney examples. Contrast those games with the Friday night game where a team was trying to help an individual stat-pad, and I believe it highlights just how meaningless the Brownlow is, and how little weight it should carry when determining a player's quality or legacy.

The games you choose to 'contrast' are interesting....

 

[Corn Cobbers]

How many games has he played?

This round? None

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Just think... If Heeney hadn't missed 2 games this year he could have won the AFLCA ahead of Nicky!

 

[Fadge]

Just think... If Heeney hadn't missed 2 games this year he could have won the AFLCA ahead of Nicky!

I don't often say this, but you're probably right.

Swings and roundabouts - makes up for the 2023 Award that Daicos missed out on due to injury.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I don't often say this, but you're probably right.

Swings and roundabouts - makes up for the 2023 Award that Daicos missed out on due to injury.

He got himself suspended and has taken a softie for the last game, no one to blame but himself

Daics a worthy winner

 

[Purple7x08_24]

This round? None

On average he might just have more votes than Daicos

 

[sr36]

Personally I put a lot of weight into head to head battles in pivotal moments, which is why I brought up the Bontempelli and Heeney examples. Contrast those games with the Friday night game where a team was trying to help an individual stat-pad, and I believe it highlights just how meaningless the Brownlow is, and how little weight it should carry when determining a player's quality or legacy.

Judging on a hot 15 minutes when his team has a run on seems a pretty strange way to do it too. I'm not sure why you'd call them head to head battles?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

On average he might just have more votes than Daicos

He was fit all year, no excuses

 

[Purple7x08_24]

He was fit all year, no excuses

Id still take Heeney.

 

[sr36]

Id still take Heeney.

Heeney had a better year this year.

But would you seriously prefer to add Heeney rather than Nick to the Freo list?

 

[Purple7x08_24]

Heeney had a better year this year.

But would you seriously prefer to add Heeney rather than Nick to the Freo list?

JUH would be the first player Id take tbh.

Then Heeney, Daicos, Butters

Rankine, JHF, Darcy, Reid, Bruhn

 

[sr36]

JUH would be the first player Id take tbh.

Were you Freo's list manager in the 90s by any chance?

 

[Purple7x08_24]

Were you Freo's list manager in the 90s by any chance?

On a needs basis and the future potential I'd take JUH. We already have Brayshaw, Young and Serong. A Dynamic forward would be huge.

I'd also likely pick Sam Taylor at some stage.

 

[Gone Critical]

All awards are rubbish.

Attempting to argue that one player is better than another on the basis of an award is the surest way for someone to expose they have no clue.

Collingwood players statpadding for Daicos in a dead rubber only further highlights how meaningless awards are in the grand scheme of these debates, and yet people still bleat on about Brownlows in these dumb arguments.

It's an umpire's award with a 3-2-1 voting system. Defenders cannot even win the award because umpires don't rate them.

If you can win an award because your whole team helps pad your stats in a dead rubber, that only further confirms how big of a joke the award is.

When Collingwood played the Bulldogs earlier in the year and the game was on the line in the 4th quarter, the Bont took over the game, took it upon himself to shut down Daicos while getting 10 disposals himself and kicked a big goal. That alone tells me he is clearly a superior player, yet he could lose this laughable award on the back of Daicos statpadding in a dead rubber, and you're trying to convince people that it's some kind of "premier individual award"?

Same applies to Collingwood vs Sydney. Heeney and Warner took it upon themselves to win the game from a significant deficit. That alone says infinitely more than the umpires allocating three votes enough times.

All awards are rubbish?

Awards have limitations. They could never serve as the only basis for assessment. They favour mods strongly in the current game because the modern game is built around miss to a stronger level that the past etc etc.

But to say they don’t form part of your consideration to me means you disregard a lot of expert information that’s really important. A players cv with its Brownlow votes, AFLCA and PA aseeswments, AAs, Norm Smiths, B&F results etc etc has to be part of the assessment.

Look at the list of Brownlow winners since 2000 and tell me it doesn’t contain a list of midfield superstars in the main. Look a votes per game over a career and find me a mid of serious consequence who isn’t high on the list.

I don’t buy your personal assessments, not considering a massive body of expert opinion that leads to these awards, would sit on strong ground.

 

[Chronz]

Some Elite 1m handballs to finish up his stat boosting season.

He's no Rachele.

 

[Chronz]

Good on Nicky for making Brownlow night interesting. Hopefully Cripps can make the universe happy and prevent Nicky or Neale from winning it but it's going to be a close one

Neale can get 3 votes for a 15 disposal nothing game. I have Cripps in front by a vote or two at the end of last round though.

 

[Eat_Pant]

He’s definitely the GOAT at sprinting to open space and getting an easy mark. Zero contested marks and zero hard balls gets in his career.