Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2024, Part 2

[cats_09]

The club's only got themselves to blame. They allowed Dimma to run them into the ground with awful recruiting and development. Then most of the off-field staff have bailed.

They've played 4 years without winning a final and now the club is being forced into one of the deepest rebuilds ever seen. Why should Rioli waste the rest of his career or Bolton waste his best years at a basket case?

It's pretty funny seeing Dimma wander off to greener pastures and get no judgement for decisions he actually made while Rioli and Bolton are expected to suffer the consequences of his shit decisions.

It makes you appreciate how well we're run as a club, and that even during that period where we didn't win a flag between our 2011 & 2022 successes, that we rarely lost a best 22 player and instead had players wanting to join our club - and not simply because we threw money at them

 

[PzBlinky]

The club's only got themselves to blame. They allowed Dimma to run them into the ground with awful recruiting and development. Then most of the off-field staff have bailed.

They've played 4 years without winning a final and now the club is being forced into one of the deepest rebuilds ever seen. Why should Rioli waste the rest of his career or Bolton waste his best years at a basket case?

It's pretty funny seeing Dimma wander off to greener pastures and get no judgement for decisions he actually made while Rioli and Bolton are expected to suffer the consequences of his shit decisions.

Feels like it's just back to business as usual over at Tigerland. Just because you make the most of a good run doesn't mean anything in the culture / fabric / structure / whatever-you-want-to-call-it has fundamentally changed. They had some good people in the right spots, cashed in on their time, and didn't seem to have much of a plan beyond that.

All teams go through dips, but it's how far they sink and how quickly they can rebound that's the key. Obviously biased, but we've been a club like that since the turn of the century (not sure how many others can say their worst finish in a season is 12th... if any?). Hawks are annoyingly another and even the Swans, despite the GF woes, are all clubs that don't fall apart just because an era's ended. Tigers...not so much.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

even the Swans, despite the GF woes, are all clubs that don't fall apart

Don't mean to be one of those people but the Swans, historically and presently, have had considerable advantages that help keep them competitive. Yes, you have to make good on those benefits given, and not all clubs do, but I don't hold Swans in equal regards to ourselves, the Hawks, etc. because we must play with one set of rules and they play with another. They are also part of a strategy by the AFL to expand the game into non-traditional states, so there's always an element of AFL intervention for them.

Take the academy players out of the Swans side, and do they make the GF this year?

 

[PzBlinky]

Don't mean to be one of those people but the Swans, historically and presently, have had considerable advantages that help keep them competitive. Yes, you have to make good on those benefits given, and not all clubs do, but I don't hold Swans in equal regards to ourselves, the Hawks, etc. because we must play with one set of rules and they play with another. They are also part of a strategy by the AFL to expand the game into non-traditional states, so there's always an element of AFL intervention for them.

Take the academy players out of the Swans side, and do they make the GF this year?

Fair point, they have a handy advantage so maybe don't deserve to be on the same level as us and the Hawks (not that you'll ever hear the media say that). That said, they've used their advantage better than the Lions (up until this year) Giants, and Suns...or maybe they were just luckier?

Of course, nothing rubs that more in our face than the Swans swooping on Gulden in the 2020 draft. Guess we still got Neale, who'll be an important (and currently our only one on the list?) KPF next year.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

The number 1 reason by a very long way and maybe even the only one was betting agencies crying at teams resting players in the final round and messing with the odds.

Craig Bellamy champion coach of the Melb Storm , 2 rounds out from the finals they wrapped up top spot for the Storm , he said ,look it might not be a good look for the code/sport but i will be resting players

 

[MisterMarcus]

Fair enough, but I still wouldn't want him representing us with the way he carries on.

He'd be one of, if not THE, most disliked players going around atm.

I understand white line fever, but he'd do well to temper it a little with some of that off-field humility imo.

Or at the very least - back it up.

Zorko is a flog but he was awesome on Saturday. I think fans can at least tolerate some FIGJAM and dick-ishness if the player is actually delivering on field.

 

[00VicWard001]

Or at the very least - back it up.

Zorko is a flog but he was awesome on Saturday. I think fans can at least tolerate some FIGJAM and dick-ishness if the player is actually delivering on field.

Reinvented himself. He and his supporters should be very proud.

 

[Strange Cat]

Reinvented himself. He and his supporters should be very proud.

No he’s still a flog

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

Robbo was sacked. LOL

 

[Gunf]

Robbo was sacked. LOL

Holly shit miracles can happen... i am off to buy a lotto ticket

 

[cats_09]

Love this time of year

 

[Gunf]

Love this time of year

A Tigers fan i was talking to this morning wouldn't be very happy with that as they think they are getting 2 firsts for Baker, Bolton and Rioli each... 6 firsts for those players is......They are a special bunch

 

[GeelongFTW]

Don't mean to be one of those people but the Swans, historically and presently, have had considerable advantages that help keep them competitive. Yes, you have to make good on those benefits given, and not all clubs do, but I don't hold Swans in equal regards to ourselves, the Hawks, etc. because we must play with one set of rules and they play with another. They are also part of a strategy by the AFL to expand the game into non-traditional states, so there's always an element of AFL intervention for them.

Take the academy players out of the Swans side, and do they make the GF this year?

I don't see Sydney coming back from this. With 22 you could say rampaging cats with 10+ wins in a row, young team not ready, etc. but no excuses now. Even rampe said he was 'broken'.

 

[Gunf]

I don't see Sydney coming back from this. With 22 you could say rampaging cats with 10+ wins in a row, young team not ready, etc. but no excuses now. Even rampe said he was 'broken'.

Maybe a few of the younger players (24 and down) will be able to come back from those 2 GFs but the older players are done

 

[And_ROOS]

Love this time of year

At least try and take it seriously.

That Sydney deal is almost as embarrassing as Sydneys actual grand final performance.

3 and 13 for both Warners would be a horrendous deal for Sydney.

 

[BotsMaster]

 

[Hamingja]

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He is correct but the Saints haven't helped themselves and likely won't with that attitude

 

[Commando]

Reinvented himself. He and his supporters should be very proud.

I've always liked Zorko as a player

Did I miss something that he did??

 

[00VicWard001]

I've always liked Zorko as a player

Did I miss something that he did??

He made some Melbourne player cry.

 

[Mattlock]

I don't dislike St Kilda, but I do suddenly want to see them win the spoon next year and see this man's next round of the blame game.

 

[Strange Cat]

I don't dislike St Kilda, but I do suddenly want to see them win the spoon next year and see this man's next round of the blame game.

Hopefully they can share the spoon with the tigers over the next few years

 

[CatToTheFuture]

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Saints are getting a lawyer to sue their workplace for self inflicted wounds

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Hopefully they can share the spoon with the tigers over the next few years

Don't think they could of they tried

 

[Strange Cat]

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Pretty pathetic to be blaming others for their lack of success , not much has changed for them since 2009/2010 era

They bottled it …that’s on them

 

[Gunf]

While the whinging from Saints is pathetic i do agree some clubs get more stuff from the AFL.

We see it every year with the draw and marque matches or certain clubs never traveling to Tassie, Alice, Darwin, KP etc