Solid observations. I think Ryan will develop his decision making as he gets more exposure to the pace of AFL. At his best when playing off instinct but can confuse himself if he has too much time to think. Just needs to work on that composure as the instinct is there he needs to learn to listen to it.
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Solid observations. I think Ryan will develop his decision making as he gets more exposure to the pace of AFL. At his best when playing off instinct but can confuse himself if he has too much time to think. Just needs to work on that composure as the instinct is there he needs to learn to listen to it.
+ We didn’t get 23 goals in a row scored on us.
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Yep, and congrats on the likely top 4 finish.
I thought the same about sheed,cant wait til weve got enough midfield depth to leave him out more
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The blonde one I think is Schmitt who umpires reasonably consistent and wasn't too bad in this game. Stevic (no 9) was good. The problem was Hocking (No 16) who deserved all of the criticism directed at the umps. We got 2 goals from dubious ones. One to Cripps which was 50/50 at best and another when Jones was caught HTB and definitely didn't have prior. These were far outweighed by the obvious ones right in front of Hoskings and he simply refused to pay them. It looked as crooked as you can get. Having said that, Melbourne played better and deserved the win. I do get a bit P****d off when people want players like Masten, Sheed and Lycett dropped. Next to Cripps, Masten was our best player and although Sheed tired, he still played well. Jetta made some errors as did Duggan and Barass but they all did good things as well. On that game alone, the only players you could think about replacing are Ryan and Hutchings whose disposal and fumbling was atrocious but he did kick 2 goals. I would be disappointed if Venables was dropped as he a lot better than Ryan.
That sums Hutchings up.He does a great spin to lose Oliver? in the goal square and falls over.Why is it ;in clutch moments when a bit of nous and vision is required; the ball seems to be in Masten or Hutchs hands?
Probably because the blokes you want to have the ball don't work hard enough to win it enough. The strong willed hard workers will always beat the so called silky footballers who rely on the tough to get it for them.
Now if we could put Hutchings and Jetta together then we would have a gun footballer, but separately they are just role players who can't perform always because they lack that thing which makes them complete.
Sigh.....how true! Tho...maybe the good players attract all the heat? Definite on the hybrid!
I know it wasn't a cause of the loss, slow start and not being hard enough at the contest was, but umpires are killing us lately.
Ever since it was brought to everyones attention how well we get looked after we are getting nothing.
It's as though they have been told "Unless it is blindingly obvious don't pay it, the other way however...."
Perfect example was on the boundary line there were several players contesting and Melb had it got tackled dropped it, play on. We picked it up in the same play, tackled straight away and ball spilt free. Free kick to melb for dropping the ball, not 10 sec after they did the exactsame thing.
Only thing that annoyed me more was the commentary. OMG didn't realise how one sided Bartel was. What a freaking joke, 2 teams out there buddy. And BT any chance you can get the players names right. Geez was so bad and so often.
We had to be the only Top 8 team they beat as well, yeah gonna hear about that all week if I tune into any footy shows.
Ever since it was brought to everyones attention how well we get looked after we are getting nothing.
It's as though they have been told "Unless it is blindingly obvious don't pay it, the other way however...."
Perfect example was on the boundary line there were several players contesting and Melb had it got tackled dropped it, play on. We picked it up in the same play, tackled straight away and ball spilt free. Free kick to melb for dropping the ball, not 10 sec after they did the exactsame thing.
Only thing that annoyed me more was the commentary. OMG didn't realise how one sided Bartel was. What a freaking joke, 2 teams out there buddy. And BT any chance you can get the players names right. Geez was so bad and so often.
We had to be the only Top 8 team they beat as well, yeah gonna hear about that all week if I tune into any footy shows.
Can you imagine if Rioli in due course can get it 18-22 times a game how dangerous he could end up being. Imagine if Jetta could get it as many times as Gaff does. I would love Shuey to get it 30 or more times every week.
Everyone of course is different and bring different things to the group, it's about getting the group to all be on that one page and willing to do whatever is required to climb the mountain. I don't think we have that group yet but we are doing bloody well still. Some big steps forward have been taken this year and one never knows still what might happen.
No i dont think we are there yet.Losing NN was catastrophic.We have a good defence which should be around for a while.The two big guys are ok, besides you cant just GET a top line ruckman.We have two A grade mids in Yo and Shuey.Reddan works hard.Forwards look good esp with Rioli and Ryan giving us some pizzaz.Venables is an A grader [ looming ] Watched EP on the weekend and think Brander and Allen will be great in years to come.We need to get 50 games into as many of our young guns as possible.
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Why did it seem like so many Melbourne forwards were free? Was that because of lack of midfield defense slowing them down? Or was it lazy defense especially by Barrass
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"Finally, Eagles fans, what did you think of Tom Barrass' decision to leave Melksham and run at the ball carrier in the passage of play that gave the Dees the lead back? I have no idea what Barrass was doing... he had no impact on either action. He was stuck right in the middle with no chance of doing anything. Puzzling decision..."
I have to agree. I just couldn't work out what he was trying to do. He left his man alone with nothing between him and the goals and to top it off he didn't even make it to the player with the ball who had the easy pass over the top. Crazy play from him and iirc he did something similar at another point in the game.
There was one point in the last quarter, I think it was when Melbourne regained the lead that when the Melbourne player took the mark and ran into an open goal, Rioli, Ryan and Lecras were all forward of the centre square. 18 on 15 does not help. It was last quarter though and the ball did transition quickly. Was not a good look though.
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Seemed to happen a lot in first half as well though
I think we have quite a few players that love only running one way.
Commiserations on the loss.
Here are the midfield frequency stats for the match. If you haven't seen these before, this is an overall summary of how often your players started as one of your 5 mids at bounces.
There were 34 bounces
Masten 31 wing
Redden 29 (16w, 13i)
Yeo 29 (1w)
Hutchings 28 (20i, 8w)
Shuey 28 (2w)
Sheed 22 (14i, 8w)
Rioli 2
Cripps 1 wing
Rucks:
Lycett 24
Vardy 10
Breakdown by Half
1st Half -14 Bounces
Redden 13 (7i, 6w)
Masten 12 wing
Hutchings 12 (7i, 5w)
Shuey 11 (1w)
Yeo 11
Sheed 8 (6i, 2w)
Rioli 2
Cripps 1 wing
Rucks:
Lycett 12
Vardy 2
2nd Half - 20 Bounces
Masten 19 wing
Yeo 18 (1w)
Shuey 17 (1w)
Redden 16 (10w, 6i)
Hutchings 16 (3w)
Sheed 14 (8i, 6w)
Rucks:
Lycett 12
Vardy 8
Notes:
- LeCras was started as an extra wing for the first term. He also popped up starting off the back of the square at times.
- Virtually identical midfield set-up to last week though even more extreme - there were 4 starts for others at 21 bounces against Port vs. 3 from 34 here.
- This was the 5th game (of 11 analysed) where those outside the top 6 mids only received 5 or less starts. This is unique in the AFL
- Given the high amount of goals, all 6 main mids hit new overall season highs in analysed games (11 other analysed). I still have the Derby to review so this may change.
- Interesting ruck tactics - Melbourne gave Gawn a sizeable rest in the first half (9 of 14), which allowed him to take virtually every centre bounce in the 2nd half (18 of 20). Eagles opted for the reverse: loading up on Lycett in the first half, trusting Vardy to ruck for large portions of the last.
- Based on your 6 mid set-up Hutchings (whilst tagging Oliver) was in there even when Oliver wasn't - 28 vs. 24
Here are the midfield frequency stats for the match. If you haven't seen these before, this is an overall summary of how often your players started as one of your 5 mids at bounces.
There were 34 bounces
Masten 31 wing
Redden 29 (16w, 13i)
Yeo 29 (1w)
Hutchings 28 (20i, 8w)
Shuey 28 (2w)
Sheed 22 (14i, 8w)
Rioli 2
Cripps 1 wing
Rucks:
Lycett 24
Vardy 10
Breakdown by Half
1st Half -14 Bounces
Redden 13 (7i, 6w)
Masten 12 wing
Hutchings 12 (7i, 5w)
Shuey 11 (1w)
Yeo 11
Sheed 8 (6i, 2w)
Rioli 2
Cripps 1 wing
Rucks:
Lycett 12
Vardy 2
2nd Half - 20 Bounces
Masten 19 wing
Yeo 18 (1w)
Shuey 17 (1w)
Redden 16 (10w, 6i)
Hutchings 16 (3w)
Sheed 14 (8i, 6w)
Rucks:
Lycett 12
Vardy 8
Notes:
- LeCras was started as an extra wing for the first term. He also popped up starting off the back of the square at times.
- Virtually identical midfield set-up to last week though even more extreme - there were 4 starts for others at 21 bounces against Port vs. 3 from 34 here.
- This was the 5th game (of 11 analysed) where those outside the top 6 mids only received 5 or less starts. This is unique in the AFL
- Given the high amount of goals, all 6 main mids hit new overall season highs in analysed games (11 other analysed). I still have the Derby to review so this may change.
- Interesting ruck tactics - Melbourne gave Gawn a sizeable rest in the first half (9 of 14), which allowed him to take virtually every centre bounce in the 2nd half (18 of 20). Eagles opted for the reverse: loading up on Lycett in the first half, trusting Vardy to ruck for large portions of the last.
- Based on your 6 mid set-up Hutchings (whilst tagging Oliver) was in there even when Oliver wasn't - 28 vs. 24
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we need archee in the finals big body will have a crack . Give the bloke a go in the midfield
Think once JK comes back, his role within in the side will be more settled and we will see more of him in the middle. He'll take DV's role but spend a bit more time on ball.
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That's cool, nothing wrong with having a differing opinion (unless you don't agree that the dockers and their fans are flogs, then we have a problem).
I've been very down on Sheed all year so maybe that's colouring my opinion of his game on Sunday, maybe I'm focusing on the negative aspects to his game and not seeing the positive impact you guys are all seeing.
With Cole and the backline, I don't think you could really fault them as far as their defending goes (except for Barrass in that last quarter), we were turning the ball over so much that it just kept coming back. With that slingshot style of game it's very hard to defend against because once the opposition gets a couple of metres break all they have to do is get the ball in the right position and there's not much that can be done. Plus it didn't help that McGovern was moved forward and back like a yoyo most of the game. Duggan with the ball is very worrying, earlier in the season he seemed quite poised with it but lately he seems to panic as soon as he gets it under a bit of pressure.
That all aside I honestly don't think Sheed's game was as good as you guys do, I probably exaggerated a bit in my other posts but I just find him so frustrating when he's got the ball. He's so slow in deciding what to do most of the time and it ends up putting himself and the teammate he passes to under unnecessary pressure. His tackling is very concerning, he just can't seem to hold on to the guy he tries to tackle and they often run away from him. I think he's also very slow in general, which causes further problems defensively with coverage once the ball has been turned over, and I don't think he chases hard at all defensively either. His lack of a right foot is compounded by the fact that he runs into positions to receive the ball where using his right foot to kick is the only good option, which puts him in the predicament of having to slow down and turn around on to his left foot, this costs us opportunities and slows our forward momentum.
Yes he accumulated a lot of the ball on the weekend, but I maintain that he used it poorly, 67% DE is quite bad for an outside player, especially for one whose contested possession count for the game was only 5 out of 31. Given that I'm fairly sure I saw him pass the ball off in traffic a couple of times to one of our players that's at least 7 uncontested possessions where he didn't do something that at least gave us a chance to make a contest from his possession. So 7 of his uncontested possessions either didn't get to a teammate within 40m or if they were kicks over 40m didn't get to a contest involving an Eagles player. For a player in an outside role that's really not that good. Masten would get absolutely hammered for this (for reference he averages 78.7 DE% and a tick over 5 contested possessions this season and around 74-75% with 6-7 CP per game over the last 3 or 4 seasons).
Like I said earlier you guys are completely entitled to your opinion, I just don't happen to agree with it which is fine, this place would be boring if everyone agreed with everyone else. I'd love to be proven wrong about Sheed, I've been very disappointed in his development so far, had high hopes for him in his first couple of years. I'll watch him more closely against Brisbane to see if I can see what you guys are liking in his game, hopefully he has a blinder.
Anyone at all surprised that Oscar McDonald was cleared for his tackle on Darling? One arm pinned, hint of a downwards drive in the tackle and a player out of the game with concussion. What happened to these outcome based suspensions? Never agreed with them where it was a genuine tackle but the AFL has set out their stall on this previously.
Would have been interesting if Darling was the tackler and McDonald the tacklee what Michael Christian’s decision would have been...
Would have been interesting if Darling was the tackler and McDonald the tacklee what Michael Christian’s decision would have been...
Would be the easiest decision he's made this year.
Thought the smaller defenders Cole, Duggan and Shep all performed extremely well.
Barrass was exceptional in first quarter and thought 2nd and 3rd quarters were serviceable. Last quarter he made a couple of crucial errors but we got owned in the midfield - when we he went and left his player unmanned - simply an error of judgement. In defence those errors of judgement cost a goal and everyone remembers. In the forward line line everyone seems to forget comparable errors.
The ball was coming in so often and so quickly and with less than intense pressure made pin pointing passed by Melb players a little easier.
Barrass was exceptional in first quarter and thought 2nd and 3rd quarters were serviceable. Last quarter he made a couple of crucial errors but we got owned in the midfield - when we he went and left his player unmanned - simply an error of judgement. In defence those errors of judgement cost a goal and everyone remembers. In the forward line line everyone seems to forget comparable errors.
The ball was coming in so often and so quickly and with less than intense pressure made pin pointing passed by Melb players a little easier.
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