Opinion Preliminary Final Changes vs. Hawthorn

[ydraw]

I wouldn't mind seeing it. When the contest is within reach and he doesn't make the effort to get there, that's not body language.

It's only your opinion that he's not making an effort. If the coaches though that he would have been delisted. People who aren't trying aren't tolerated in professional sport.

That's why this claim is so ridiculous. The same thing used to be said about Mundy. It's stupid to judge someone on their running style.

 

[Major Colvin]

Please beat these (brown and gold) campaigners.

 

[Borderline]

You must be new here because a fair few people on this board have been saying the same all year, and have suddenly changed their tune in the last 7 days.

I'm not new, they're just peahearts anyway

 

[malpaso]

Couldn't disagree more. Blindly pinging the ball deep into the Hawks defense plays right into their hands. We need to control the ball going into the forward 50 and honor good leads by the forwards.

Control the ball and let them come to you and out of their zone, honor good options quickly, have shots on the run from the midfield.

^This. If we bomb into our forward half, we are done and dusted without firing a shot.

 

[doberman]

Actually Zac Clarke averages more contested marks this season than Griffin does. But people believe what they want to believe.

Any chance of giving more details in regards to CM i50? The post you quoted referred directly to that stat, not just contested marks as a whole.

 

[free at last]

^This. If we bomb into our forward half, we are done and dusted without firing a shot.

Totally agree.We need this to be a ground battle.Ground'n'pound...

 

[wild side]

It's only your opinion that he's not making an effort. If the coaches though that he would have been delisted. People who aren't trying aren't tolerated in professional sport.

That's why this claim is so ridiculous. The same thing used to be said about Mundy. It's stupid to judge someone on their running style.

I Thought this was bigfooty. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one.

 

[Okinakashi]

Zac's got a pea heart.

Not at all true - he played 3/4 of last years final against Port with broken ribs.

The problem might be in the 6 inches between his ears, but he's got as much heart as anyone.

 

[XXRL]

Actually Zac Clarke averages more contested marks this season than Griffin does. But people believe what they want to believe.

You're right, I did base my original comment (that Griff provides a greater likelihood of contested marking inside 50) on what I'd observed not on stats - so I have now gone and checked the stats:

This season Zac Clarke has averaged 1.1 contested marks per game and 0.6 marks inside 50 per game.
Griff has averaged 1.0 contested marks per game and 0.9 marks inside 50 per game.

I note that marks inside 50 aren't necessarily contested, but overall I'm comfortable with my original post.

Other stats that may be of interest:
Clarke averages 4.1 marks per game vs. Griff's 2.7 marks per game.
Clarke averages half a goal per game and Griff averages 1 goal per game - I would infer this correlates to Griff taking more marks inside 50.

Further, I would not be surprised to find that Zac's stats are weighted more towards the beginning of the season than the end, but that is only based on observation - so if I were picking the team for Friday, I'd pick Griff.

However, I can totally understand why others would favour Clarke - his best is better than Griff's best IMO.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

It's only your opinion that he's not making an effort. If the coaches though that he would have been delisted. People who aren't trying aren't tolerated in professional sport.

That's why this claim is so ridiculous. The same thing used to be said about Mundy. It's stupid to judge someone on their running style.

Of course it's my opinion. I suppose everything you post is pure fact, is it?

It's got nothing to do with his running style either. I told you what it was, and your opinion that it would result in him being de-listed is absolute nonsense. Professional teams don't make a huge investment in players just to dump them, instead believing they can correct the fault over time.

 

[Banker]

Actually Zac Clarke averages more contested marks this season than Griffin does. But people believe what they want to believe.

And its meaning less, unless you know which part of the ground.

Whens the last time he took one in the fwd 50? Also he has played more games.

 

[Taylor]

Couldn't disagree more. Blindly pinging the ball deep into the Hawks defense plays right into their hands. We need to control the ball going into the forward 50 and honor good leads by the forwards.

Control the ball and let them come to you and out of their zone, honor good options quickly, have shots on the run from the midfield.

I don't think we can deliver smart ball inside fifty against poor opposition with any regularity. That's why I think the long kick in over their defenders, hopefully right through the goal posts haha, is the method all the average players in our team can execute.

 

[Square Peg]

Watching the Sydney QF again.
I think it is irrelevant if Gunston plays, we need three tall defenders. One of A Pearce or Silvagni have to play (Don't risk Luke). Plus Taberner
Out: who the hell knows. I guess C Pearce and Mzungu as last in

 

[Frigate]

I have no idea where all of the "Griff is way better than Zac" sentiment derives from.........it certainly isn't born out by stats.

2015 Averages

Griff is ahead in these categories

More HOs Goals Tackles
0.3 0.5 0.6

Zac is ahead in

M D D Eff CM I50s GA Cl R50s
- 1.4 - 2.0 - 9.4 - 0.1 - 0.6 - 0.1 - 0.8 - 0.3

Not saying you can't make a case for Griff but Clarke's numbers are better in a few key areas, including Marks, Contested Marks, Contested Possessions, Disposal Efficiency (a significant advantage 72% versus 81% for Zac), Clearances and Inside 50s. As a matter of interest, they both compare OK with Hale, who plays for the almighty Hawks as Back Up Ruckman and Occasional Key Fwd or mostly FWD Decoy.

As long as he can run out the game (he does tend to fade......), I'm with Zac (as others have said, more upside).

I feel the Reginald is muttering in a corner with hot flashes wanting to unleash a fury of abuse.

On this occasion I would agree with his sentiments as, when you are looking at stats like that nothing is significant - they are all crap and irrelevant.

Griff has helped win matches, Zac has been a passenger. Griff is slow, Zac is fast. Griff takes a contested grab at critical times. Zac gets junk time stats with the occasional glimpse of "well that was what we want from you". Griff can hold a position and stand tall and take a mark. Zac tries to always fly from behind and take a contested grab and rarely catches it.

So that is what most of us see. Most would agree that good Zac is better than good Griff. Griff could be a disaster - I can see that as his pace is a massive factor against a running team.

We want Zac to show what he showed in the opening 5 weeks. I personally do not think he is capable, but if he is selected he will get my full support for the match.

 

[Simmofreo]

Someone said on the main board that Johnson has the flu. Is that true ? That could be disastrous if he infects the team

 

[Lach72]

Someone said on the main board that Johnson has the flu. Is that true ? That could be disastrous if he infects the team

He's had the flu

 

[ezza77]

Cannot play clarke . Hasn't warranted a place in this team . Griff has more heart, better ruckman, better mark inside 50 . Has to play . Griff/sandi resting, pav, tabs bring more winnable marking contests to us and with our mosquito fleet around their ankles .... delicious

 

[Deveraux]

Apparently he was quite crook leading into Sydney game and possibly during as well hence didn't perform/look 100% but its been 2 weeks, plenty of time to manage etc.. much greater chance of the flying teams to get the bug, and that's not us for a month now

 

[Mr Peabody]

Someone said on the main board that Johnson has the flu. Is that true ? That could be disastrous if he infects the team

Sydney game. Clearly struggled ambling after Reid and Goodes in front of us. Thought it was the back again at the time. Relieved to hear later that it was just the flu.

 

[Simmofreo]

Thanks guys. That sounds good then

 

[kp junior]

You guys believe Ross when he says it isn't his back huh.


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[GreatPurpleShark]

If we play tabs we will play clarke, if we play griff and tabs we are too slow imo.

Although I do feel as tho griff puts more effort into his forward pressure.

0.5 goals per game is pretty terrible from someone that plays 70% game time forward (clarke). But i want tabs in so im conflicted as i like griffs competitiveness.

Glad im not on the match committee

 

[Fyfeyfan95]

Pretty much every footy show I have seen so far have tipped a Hawks v WC Grand Final. Combined with the amount of WC supporters on their board claiming this is the easiest prelim in history, boy oh boy how much would I looooooovvveeee a Freo v North GF

Its actually making me sick....

 

[sproketman]

He'd be comng in to replace Clarke, who has barely played in 4 months.

Beat me to it.

Clarke's record against Hawthorn would make your eyes bleed. Do we need someone being led to the football by Gibson/Lake and made to look pathetic. Maybe Griffin will do the same, but at least he'd care.

 

[sproketman]

It's only your opinion that he's not making an effort. If the coaches though that he would have been delisted.

More dumb statements from you, Wardy.

He was absolutely roasted by his teammates in the qualifying final for not making an effort. That says more to me than any perception.