RD 9: Adelaide vs Carlton Pre-match discussion & changes

[len_jet]

Jeremias 1 - Windy Boy 0

hard to win a battle when the bloke keeps getting charity matches from the MC...

I think the MC are scared to drop him... once they drop him to the twos it wont be long until he is in the threes and then down at Heidelberg with players of the ilk of Francina, Jess Sinclair, Justin Murphy and Corey McKernan....

 

[len_jet]

FB: Bower Thornton Grigg

HB: Austin Jamison Scotland

C: Gibbs Hadley Stevens

HF: Houlihan Waite Simpson

FF: Fisher Fevola Betts

RR: Kreuzer Judd Murphy

Bench: Hampson Carrazzo Robinson Yarran

so four changes to a winning side...

 

[gbatman]

haha djholmes, so take out our two best small defenders who were excellent on the weekend in Armfield and Joseph and take out Browne who was fairly good. Replace them with the fairly average Fisher and Houlihan. lol. We aren't tanking anymore!

Dunno how Carrazzo will go with that broken hand or fingers or what ever it is. lol.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Russell, as usual, kept finding ways to give the opposition the ball on the weekend but they appear to be playing him at all cost.

20 disposals - 9th
7 marks - Equal 8th
5 tackles - Equal 3rd
5 contested possessions - 13th
3 clangers - Equal 4th ... Juddy had 7, Murphy had 3 so did Hadley
75% efficiency - 11th best ahead of Simpson, Stevens, Judd, Waite, Murphy, Kruezer, Fevola ... to name a few. The whole team averaged 73.82%.
1%ers - Equal 5th
Rebound 50's - Equal 2nd

I know stats aren't everything, but the couple of bad errors he makes each match really overshadow a lot of no frills good he does because of the reputation he has.

 

[HBF]

How about we go to stats for some clarification.

Jordan Russell - Disposal efficiency 75%

Chris Judd ........62%
Marc Murphy......58%
Nick Stevens......72%

Look, i'm not JR's biggest fan, but why his name comes up each week to be dropped is a little perplexing. I thought he played well today, and deserves to hold his spot.

At this stage, i'd go in with no changes. I thought Browne was pretty good today - his kicking skills are sublime, and i'd give Yarran another week.

 

[len_jet]

your right ODN stats dont mean everything...

Judd was clearly best on today however when you look at something like the definition of effciency it relates to hitting a target all the time... however when you balance that against the amount of clearances Judd has and the sheer amount of disposals he gets it just emphasis the very limited "full picture" stats portray.

 

[BlueBelle]

I'd like to see Hoops come back in because he is great user of the ball and you can never have too many, especially against a team like Adelaide. Despite them being down, you can never underestimate the Crows because they always seem to match up well against us.

So the question is, who gets dropped?

Maybe Yarran but it's only game 2.... Browne was good today so he should keep his spot. Need to leave Aussie in because he hasn't been our worst.... Army maybe? Hrrrmmmm decisions, decisions!

 

[WeninRome]

How about we go to stats for some clarification.

Jordan Russell - Disposal efficiency 75%

Chris Judd ........62%
Marc Murphy......58%
Nick Stevens......72%

Look, i'm not JR's biggest fan, but why his name comes up each week to be dropped is a little perplexing. I thought he played well today, and deserves to hold his spot.

At this stage, i'd go in with no changes. I thought Browne was pretty good today - his kicking skills are sublime, and i'd give Yarran another week.

very well said.

 

[Salaryman]

Forget stats for a second, footy isn't all about running forward and kicking goals.....you have to stop too. Posters have a board have a short memory and were probably the same posters bagging out our list 2-3 years ago when opposition smalls and small forwards used to carve us up badly. We used to get hammered in this department. We now have at least 3 blokes who are asked to primarily sacrifice their own games and perform roles each week, JR, Army and Jospeh, each week they do at the very least a reasonable job. FFS.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

your right ODN stats dont mean everything...

Judd was clearly best on today however when you look at something like the definition of effciency it relates to hitting a target all the time... however when you balance that against the amount of clearances Judd has and the sheer amount of disposals he gets it just emphasis the very limited "full picture" stats portray.

This isn't about trying to make Judd look bad because of his efficiency, we know he gets it in heavy traffic most of the time. I only use those stats to demonstrate that Russell is in good company when it comes to making the odd mistake.

15 of his 20 disposals found their mark and 2 more were not classed as clangers.

Look at it this way, 75% hit the target. 25% were contested. He may have turned over a couple of uncontested possessions but this means he found the mark with an equal amount of contested possessions.

If Judd turns the ball over, it is a case of 'wow Juddy, that never happens.' When Russell turns the ball over it is 'bloody Russell, keeps doing it.' It is all about perceptions.

He is comfortably sitting in our top 18 at present but a couple of bad games will see him out of the 22, the competition for spots is so tight.

 

[WeninRome]

Russel played shocking last week. Russel played his best game for the year today. Why are we even discussing him being dropped? FFS.

 

[a1118374]

ODN WINS!

Maybe we could take a week off. A board wide policy of not focussing on russell.

 

[windows]

How about we go to stats for some clarification.

Jordan Russell - Disposal efficiency 75%

Chris Judd ........62%
Marc Murphy......58%
Nick Stevens......72%

Look, i'm not JR's biggest fan, but why his name comes up each week to be dropped is a little perplexing. I thought he played well today, and deserves to hold his spot.

At this stage, i'd go in with no changes. I thought Browne was pretty good today - his kicking skills are sublime, and i'd give Yarran another week.

What an over rated statistic DE % is. Completely fails to demonstrate whether a player is actually trying to take the game on. Which of course Jordan does not - he runs back to the back flank, takes a cheap mark, runs back from the mark and pops over a safe 35 metre pass. Judd and Murphy do take the game on repeatedly and of course don't always hit targets. But the outcome of their work is that they kick goals. They turn the ball over IN THE FORWARD HALF trying to create goals.

Russell's name comes up every week because he can't play. And every week he demonstrates it. He does zero damage with or without the ball. Essentially gets cheap kicks, doesn't play on and create, doesn't kick long and hit targets, doesn't kick goals. Doesn't inspire. Doesn't do much at all really.

He is an impotent footballer. Try these statistics: he has had 15 contested possessions in 5 weeks (in THREE weeks the so called SOFT nick Stevens has had 27). He hasn't kicked a goal in 4 out of his last 5 games despite playing predominantly HFF. His tackle count is at little over 3 a game (Hoops-like numbers) and IIR has actually dropped year on year. Not only does he NOT kick goals but he is NOT even involved in attacking play. He has averaged ONE inside 50 this season per game.

Compare his output to the much maligned Hoops who has kicked ONE goal a game, averaged slightly more tackles than Russell, THREE inside 50s a game and over 5 contested possies a game.

His output is cheap and his impact negligible. And he is only in the side because Grigg and Walker are injured. When they return he will be gone.

 

[fnm_just a man]

did very little right besides participate in some kick to kick, ride people in the back, miss sitter goals, and when in doubt kick it long along the boundary instead of running around in circles and hand passing to team mates under immense pressure...

he wont be dropped despite being a passenger...

I would say unchanged... maybe yarran or browne out should they need to make a match up change...

You've just made it very clear that you have a biased opinion against JR and therefore I will do my best to disregard anything that you post about him in the future.

If you could judge his performance objectively you'd be embarrassed at how pathetic that post is.

Cheers big ears

 

[thylacine60]

B-R-O-W-N-E to Porpoise.

 

[zeeCFC]

out: ricky olerenshaw ever interviewing again
in: .....i got nothing, just wanted to vent on olewenshaw

 

[thylacine60]

out: ricky olerenshaw ever interviewing again
in: .....i got nothing, just wanted to vent on olewenshaw

You idiot. Dead right but.

 

[Cruiser23]

out: ricky olerenshaw ever interviewing again
in: .....i got nothing, just wanted to vent on olewenshaw

No, no, no, no, no........well maybe, he is pretty bad but

OUT: Dennis Cometti
IN: Brick Tamland

Seriously, whoever uses Seaby and good recruit in the same sentence deserves to be given the punt.

The Blues should have take Seaby and forgot about Warnock......

pfffffft

 

[zeeCFC]

in all seriousness though...another 'danger game' for us again this week.

adelaide for us is always a struggle, let alone at aami stadium. this year was meant to be the 'drought breaking' year....but we still haven't broken our form against the dons, hawks and swans...hopefully adelaide can be the exception (along with st kilda)

was great to see us back on the winner's board. things i would like to point out:

- fev's marking isnt as good as he has shown it can be, has been off all year. maybe bulk, injury, attitude affiliated. wtvr it is...he'll need it to get better against rutten

- we played well today with hadley not playing his best game...his due for another great game and should come out guns blazing against the crows

- army and AJ doing great

- stevens hopefully will get rid of his superiority complex. gibbsy didnt give him the ball in the midfield in one play and stevens gave him a spray even though he set up a goal. hopefully someone will tell him his title doesnt make him any better, although his not bad, more is expected

 

[Azul]

Fev is 99% fine

Hmmm, I'd hate to see him when he was, like, only 90% fine.

While we all hope 'Good Fev' shows up next week, I wonder if continually playing him in this state is detrimental to his long term future. Clearly something is affecting his match-day performances (excluding the Hawthorn game - which despite his sublime efforts we lost BTW ). I don't think we can write off the past 2 matches to superior backmen and performing a different role for the team. Either he's playing injured as I suspect, or something deeper.

He honestly looks knackered. So, do we wait for the mid-season break or send him to a 'health retreat' now? Letting him play below par for the rest of the season ain't right. Give him a least a couple of weeks off, Barry Hall style, I say. Let him return for our last 10 matches and assault on the finals refreshed and keen.

We're developing Austin and Hampson in KPs throughout the rest of the season, resting Fev would give them and others a chance to really step up. Naysayers will say we can't win without him. We did, effectively, today...



Doubt anything like this would happen, so NO CHANGE.

 

[krayfesh]

ODN WINS!

Maybe we could take a week off. A board wide policy of not focussing on russell.

But then what would we talk about?

FWIW, I love the kid. I'm contemplating doing a Victoria Bitter style commercial on JR.

Whether taking a mark. Or having a lark. He can get it any old how. Etc, so on and so forth.

 

[len_jet]

You've just made it very clear that you have a biased opinion against JR and therefore I will do my best to disregard anything that you post about him in the future.

If you could judge his performance objectively you'd be embarrassed at how pathetic that post is.

Cheers big ears

fnm what ever you want to call yourself... no skin off my back should you fail to analyse the game with high expectations. Should you wish to return to the good years of the last 5-6 years then by all means keep Russell in... The fact that you fail to accept that his game yesterday was nothing but cheap possession gathering with no impact what so ever is awfully embarrasing for you me dear simpleton.

What an over rated statistic DE % is. Completely fails to demonstrate whether a player is actually trying to take the game on. Which of course Jordan does not - he runs back to the back flank, takes a cheap mark, runs back from the mark and pops over a safe 35 metre pass. Judd and Murphy do take the game on repeatedly and of course don't always hit targets. But the outcome of their work is that they kick goals. They turn the ball over IN THE FORWARD HALF trying to create goals.

Russell's name comes up every week because he can't play. And every week he demonstrates it. He does zero damage with or without the ball. Essentially gets cheap kicks, doesn't play on and create, doesn't kick long and hit targets, doesn't kick goals. Doesn't inspire. Doesn't do much at all really.

He is an impotent footballer. Try these statistics: he has had 15 contested possessions in 5 weeks (in THREE weeks the so called SOFT nick Stevens has had 27). He hasn't kicked a goal in 4 out of his last 5 games despite playing predominantly HFF. His tackle count is at little over 3 a game (Hoops-like numbers) and IIR has actually dropped year on year. Not only does he NOT kick goals but he is NOT even involved in attacking play. He has averaged ONE inside 50 this season per game.

Compare his output to the much maligned Hoops who has kicked ONE goal a game, averaged slightly more tackles than Russell, THREE inside 50s a game and over 5 contested possies a game.

His output is cheap and his impact negligible. And he is only in the side because Grigg and Walker are injured. When they return he will be gone.

well said windows! For those who need stats to identify a good game and try to justify Russell position in the side, read this review.

Additionally no one, except for an attempt by Gilly, has attempted to define his "role". Gilly you attempted to tell me he is in there to play on the small forward... yet he didnt get within an ear shot of Lockyear... a perfect match up for Russell in my eyes and he managed to kick 2.2 and be about their only shining light.

He has no role and when fit Grigg, Walker and even Carro & Houla can/will force him out, all three bring much more to the side!

 

[len_jet]

out: ricky olerenshaw ever interviewing again
in: .....i got nothing, just wanted to vent on olewenshaw

yep!

 

[Pamam]

Ah yes, this old peach.

It's Russell's fault he was a top 10 pick.

It's Russell's fault that we have some of the most shallow supporters on this planet who can't look past statistics when judging a players worth.

It's Russell's fault that he plays a role that will never attract many plaudits no matter how well he plays.

It's Russell's fault that the MC are better judges of footballing worth than the supporters who hang shit on him every week.

It's Russell's fault that he does enough each and every week to justify his spot in the team.

It's Russell's fault that we have no better defensive minded forwards to come in and replace him in the team.

Anything else you'd like to blame Russell for? Maybe a World War? The economic crisis? Surely there must be something else?

Russell will not be dropped, and nor should he. He did his role well. It's just a shame that you can't see that and acknowledge it. Is that Russell's fault? I reckon it's your fault, not his.

i have another one

its Russell's fault that the Angels and Demons movie was so terrible!!!

bloody Rusty!! lol


people must be kidding if ya think Rusty needs to be dropped.....the only thing he did wrong yesterday was not to slot that goal home after the great pack mark!!

 

[zeeCFC]

jordan russel...or a dingo (i forget which), took my baby!