Review Round 1 vs Sydney - New year, same shit (now with less toilet paper)

[I Lost My Keays]

Stengle yes. I'm giving Frampton Galooch and EH a bit more time because I've seen some good glimpses, but apart from Stengle that's a pretty underwhelming list TBH.

Frampton I may allow going forward same with Gooch. But EH isn’t that good tbh

i feel bad for McPherson, but the rest are delist material

 

[Mutineer]

Rozee will be a gun mid.

We took two short people in the first round of a super draft that when fully developed will still be too small to be elite mids.

Them little fellas Lachie Neale and Dion Prestia [175cm 82kg] going OK, Prestia now the Tigers number 1 mid which has allowed Dusty to go forward more and wreak havoc for the oppo defenders. Prestia with a round high 9 i50's and 546m gained. Size is less important than talent and grit in a midfielder.

 

[footy4ever]

Can someone give me a list of just 3 things we look to be doing differently in that game to what we did in most of last years games?..

Has anything changed?...

Same shit different year, except our midfield setup/play is dramatically worse.
Predictable.
Stale.
Same terminally bad delivery to the forward 50.
Same constipated kickouts after a point. Same lack of intensity - particularly seeing Gibbs spectating as Heeney kept the ball alive and kicked a goal.
But frighteningly putrid - midfield clearances.

And Brad, any danger you might want to flick off a handball or a tap to our advantage when you take the ball first at clearances, instead of hanging on to the pill until you're dragged to the ground or you're dispossessed? Dammit Brad!

And we who know so much - the midfield coach we all wanted gone, according to Rory himself, was the greatest influence on Sloane's career. Whatever's changed in the midfield is for the worse, and I didn't see any glimmer of hope in the 'new' tactics, whatever they were. Worse still if that's possible, it went on for the entire match.

One of the very few positives - to be smacked in the midfield all day long and somehow miraculously only lose by 3 points, means some things must have gone right, but for me they're lost in the putrescence of the rest of our game.

 

[footy4ever]

......................... I reckon that game begins to push the needle towards trading Brad Crouch.

This!

 

[Southerntakeover]

Them little fellas Lachie Neale and Dion Prestia [175cm 82kg] going OK, Prestia now the Tigers number 1 mid which has allowed Dusty to go forward more and wreak havoc for the oppo defenders. Prestia with a round high 9 i50's and 546m gained. Size is less important than talent and grit in a midfielder.

Two small players did well, therefore all small players are stars.

 

[1991firstgamer]

Our performance tonight only reaffirmed my prediction a couple of months ago that we'd win no more than 6 games this year (back we were going to have a 22 game season)

Looking at the next three weeks, we're very likely to be 0-4 after the first four rounds and be one of the favourites for the spoon.

SHAME
SHAME
Shame Roo Fagan and Chapman

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[Scorpus]

Both the 2017 and 2018 drafts are looking like good crops.

We had a total of 6 first round picks in those 2 drafts.

Acknowledging that it’s still early days, the facts are there is a high % of kids from those drafts making their mark already. None of ours are, I guess you could argue Fogarty.

If we add to that the complete disaster that was the 2016 draft, things are shaping a bit grimly.

Think you need to take another look at the 2017 draft. Very average outside of a small handful of players (Fogarty, Naughton and Tim Kelly). We look to be one of very few clubs to get quality in the first round.

On the 2018 draft, jury is still out on the use of Pick 9 on Jones given what was available after. But the McHenry pick, there was only one player taken after him that looks really solid right now and that's Duursma. Yes, we could have taken him, but it's not like there was overflowing talent at that stage.

The problem is more our draft positioning. Trading picks for Gibbs robbed us of currency to get in a solid spot in the 2017 draft, and then we failed to move up into the talent zone in 2018

 

[Southerntakeover]

Indeed we will. Port have been drafting well for 2-3 years now. Next week we’ll see just how far behind we are.

Yep, that ledger is going to get ugly real quick.

 

[footy4ever]

I'm a super pessimist, but realistically, I didn't expect to win more than 7 games this season (23 games).

This season is about seeing whos AFL material on the young end, and who's done on the older end.

It will be 2023 before we even should talk about finals seriously again.

Get used to losing fam.

7?

Generous!

 

[On The Crouch]

While I was getting frustrated watching the way we played because it felt like nothing had changed I wasn’t as upset as I normally am after a loss, particularly one by less than a goal. Just with everything that is going on and the fact that it appears the state boarders will be closed off, the season will come to a stop soon.

A few takeaways from the game:

• we were smashed in the midfield and did not deserve to steal the game in the last minute.
• Our defence stood up remarkably well considering Sydney’s midfield gave their forwards easy entry to the F50.
• It was hard to judge our forwards because they barely saw the ball down their end after quarter time.
• We looked slow by having too many talls. Our forward line is a concern because I think we need to make a choice between playing Tex or Lynch. Fog has to play. Frampton shouldn’t play.
• Brad Crouch played his worst game for awhile. He was fumble, couldn’t find any space, when under pressure his default is a one metre backwards handball to put the next guy under more pressure.
• Hopefully Nicks is going to start to weed out guys that don’t fit into his game plan such as replacing our defenders for more creative players I.e. Sholl, Hamill.
• Milera played a decent game and I don’t mind him taking a few risks with his kicks out of the backline.
• Sydney went harder at the ball and won the ball on the ground when they had no right to.
• If round 2 goes ahead it will be interesting to see if we make any changes, and if the season does continue beyond next week, how we will change our side with no SANFL trial games on for match fitness. All teams are in the same position but we have always been conservative at the selection table.

 

[mistylake]

Except that was actually Carlton's pick which we had traded for, so if they use last years finishing position our pick will be lower unfortunately

I know that but I’m working an angle here

 

[Scorpus]

Midfield

Rory Sloane - 8 ground ball gets, 5 effective kicks (82%), 9 effective handballs (75%), 9 clearances, 7 score involvements, 24 pressure acts

Brad Crouch - 9 ground ball gets, 5 effective kicks (50%), 7 effective handballs (70%), 5 clearances, 2 score involvements, 11 pressure acts

Matt Crouch - 2 ground ball gets, 5 effective kicks (71%), 8 effective handballs (72%), 3 clearances, 4 score involvements, 11 pressure acts

Rory Atkins - 7 ground ball gets, 3 effective kicks (50%), 6 effective handballs (75%), 0 clearances, 2 score involvements, 14 pressure acts

Paul Seedsman - 3 ground ball gets, 6 effective kicks (60%), 3 effective handballs (75%), 2 clearances, 1 score involvement, 8 pressure acts

Brodie Smith - 7 disposals for the match (injured), 0 clearances, 3 score involvements, 8 pressure acts

Let's just check in on Sydney's midfield

Luke Parker - 6 ground ball gets, 10 effective kicks (63%), 12 effective handballs (86%), 12 clearances, 5 score involvements, 14 pressure acts

Oliver Florent - 6 ground ball gets, 9 effective kicks (60%), 4 effective handballs (67%), 6 clearances, 8 score involvements, 9 pressure acts

Josh Kennedy - 11 ground ball gets, 9 effective kicks (69%), 11 effective handballs (92%), 10 clearances, 5 score involvements, 15 pressure acts

 

[triggyscrewedus]

Them little fellas Lachie Neale and Dion Prestia [175cm 82kg] going OK, Prestia now the Tigers number 1 mid which has allowed Dusty to go forward more and wreak havoc for the oppo defenders. Prestia with a round high 9 i50's and 546m gained. Size is less important than talent and grit in a midfielder.
Dusty winning grand finals has absolutely nothing to do with Prestia... don't quote stats against Carlton to make your point.
Neale gets 40 touches a game and for what.. straight set finals losses.

YOU NEED BIG EXPLOSIVE MIDS TO WIN FINALS

Midget mids are not going to win us a flag.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

What’s the go with McHenry? Doesn’t he run like 40kms for fun, so his fitness shouldn’t be a problem.

Chronic back injury by the look of it. His body can't keep up with his mental tenacity. He goes really hard at the contest.

 

[Huntercrow]

I'm off the Brad Crouch bandwagon. He's crap. A scrubby bog average ball winner with substandard skills.

I would be disappointed if we kept him at this point

Well I can’t say I’m off the band wagon. I was never on it.
I never saw what others did. Poor under pressure with average skills by foot.

 

[Scorpus]

Midfield

Rory Sloane - 8 ground ball gets, 5 effective kicks (82%), 9 effective handballs (75%), 9 clearances, 7 score involvements, 24 pressure acts

Brad Crouch - 9 ground ball gets, 5 effective kicks (50%), 7 effective handballs (70%), 5 clearances, 2 score involvements, 11 pressure acts

Matt Crouch - 2 ground ball gets, 5 effective kicks (71%), 8 effective handballs (72%), 3 clearances, 4 score involvements, 11 pressure acts

Rory Atkins - 7 ground ball gets, 3 effective kicks (50%), 6 effective handballs (75%), 0 clearances, 2 score involvements, 14 pressure acts

Paul Seedsman - 3 ground ball gets, 6 effective kicks (60%), 3 effective handballs (75%), 2 clearances, 1 score involvement, 8 pressure acts

Brodie Smith - 7 disposals for the match (injured), 0 clearances, 3 score involvements, 8 pressure acts

Let's just check in on Sydney's midfield

Luke Parker - 6 ground ball gets, 10 effective kicks (63%), 12 effective handballs (86%), 12 clearances, 5 score involvements, 14 pressure acts

Oliver Florent - 6 ground ball gets, 9 effective kicks (60%), 4 effective handballs (67%), 6 clearances, 8 score involvements, 9 pressure acts

Josh Kennedy - 11 ground ball gets, 9 effective kicks (69%), 11 effective handballs (92%), 10 clearances, 5 score involvements, 15 pressure acts

So we had one good midfielder on the ground, and that was Sloane.

Brad Crouch was garbage with the ball and below average defensively. Matt Crouch as bad, those ground ball numbers are criminal for his sort of player.

Atkins was decent defensively but ineffective offensively, useless as an inside clearance midfielder and couldn't kick

Paul Seedsman was completely ineffective. Didn't win the ball, didn't use it well, didn't get involved, didn't apply pressure. Had over 400 meters gained for 1 score involvement. Beaten comprehensively

Brodie Smith was surprisingly effective with the ball given his low time on ground, but again wasn't that useful as an inside midfielder, but actually outperformed Seedsman despite spending a quarter off the field

And just on Chayce Jones, while he did only get 6 disposals and didn't use the ball well, he had MORE score involvements than Brad, Atkins and Seedsman, more pressure acts than Brad, Matt and Seedsman and nearly twice the meters gained per disposal. I don't think he was amazing but it's an indictment on Brad Crouch that a kid with 6 disposals can have more score involvements.

 

[triggyscrewedus]

Well I can’t say I’m off the band wagon. I was never on it.
I never saw what others did. Poor under pressure with average skills by foot.

Yet before a ball was bounced this year people banging on ..

If only he wasn't injured...
He's our Dangerfield replacement...
Our only mid with explosive pace...
Blah blah blah
He is an overrated plodder.

 

[On The Crouch]

Hard to get enthused about the year given the comp shouldnt even be on.

Yeah, I agree. I’m not overly invested in this season either because it’s only a matter of time before it’s called off. State boarders will close soon enough.

 

[footy4ever]

Ashamed to say I supported the Gibbs trade. Was he the least bad of a very bad group at Carlton. Don't think I have seen a less interested player in an AFC guernsey. Picking him sends a terrible message to the playing group.

As I said yesterday during the game. Gibbs simply does not care. He gives away stupid, careless frees in front of goal, and spectates when desperation is required ala the Heeney goal, and some of his field kicking is deplorable. Every now and then he pulls off a pinpoint needle-threader of a pass but generally his kicking, which was always competent, is impotent.

But hindsight is a wonderful thing. I thought Gibbs was great player, highly skilled, classy, and a great get. Nobody could have predicted he'd choose to or be allowed to coast along in superannuation-impending-retirement mode. He hasn't been dealt with harshly enough.

 

[LC40]

Also we got Fogerty in 2017 for Cameron and lost 2 first round picks for Gibbs.

Lost 2 first round picks for a 28 year old who was never a game changer, the price was always too high and that was evident at the time of the deal.

 

[Tex200]

Think you need to take another look at the 2017 draft. Very average outside of a small handful of players (Fogarty, Naughton and Tim Kelly). We look to be one of very few clubs to get quality in the first round.

On the 2018 draft, jury is still out on the use of Pick 9 on Jones given what was available after. But the McHenry pick, there was only one player taken after him that looks really solid right now and that's Duursma. Yes, we could have taken him, but it's not like there was overflowing talent at that stage.

The problem is more our draft positioning. Trading picks for Gibbs robbed us of currency to get in a solid spot in the 2017 draft, and then we failed to move up into the talent zone in 2018

Totally agree.

Responsibility has to be shared between Reid, Ogilvy and anyone else involved in the decision making processes.

 

[hey shorty]

As I said yesterday during the game. Gibbs simply does not care. He gives away stupid, careless frees in front of goal, and spectates when desperation is required ala the Heeney goal, and some of his field kicking is deplorable. Every now and then he pulls off a pinpoint needle-threader of a pass but generally his kicking, which was always competent, is impotent.

But hindsight is a wonderful thing. I thought Gibbs was great player, highly skilled, classy, and a great get. Nobody could have predicted he'd choose to or be allowed to coast along in superannuation-impending-retirement mode. He hasn't been dealt with harshly enough.

I supported the trade too, and even after our nosedive in 2018 I thought hr contributed well and would continue to do so.

I dont think it's fair to say he doesn't care anymore, theres more to it than that. He just doesn't have what it takes anymore.

Whatever else is going on in his life, that's clearly weighing on him.

 

[hey shorty]

Totally agree.

Responsibility has to be shared between Reid, Ogilvy and anyone else involved in the decision making processes.

Hamish backs himself to get a good player with any pick, which can actually be to his detriment at times.

I rate Jones, though he was pretty average at best yesterday.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Think you need to take another look at the 2017 draft. Very average outside of a small handful of players (Fogarty, Naughton and Tim Kelly). We look to be one of very few clubs to get quality in the first round.

On the 2018 draft, jury is still out on the use of Pick 9 on Jones given what was available after. But the McHenry pick, there was only one player taken after him that looks really solid right now and that's Duursma. Yes, we could have taken him, but it's not like there was overflowing talent at that stage.

The problem is more our draft positioning. Trading picks for Gibbs robbed us of currency to get in a solid spot in the 2017 draft, and then we failed to move up into the talent zone in 2018

O'Brian at Carlton with our No10 pick has had 2 good seasons. Zac Bailey, Higgins, Ed Richards was our No 1 pick and played 41 games for the dogs, Oscar Allen, Tim Kelly, Liam Ryan and even Port had Kane Farrell at 51. 2 of those would be ok.

 

[hey shorty]

O'Brian at Carlton with our No10 pick has had 2 good seasons. Zac Bailey, Higgins, Ed Richards was our No 1 pick and played 41 games for the dogs, Oscar Allen, Tim Kelly, Liam Ryan and even Port had Kane Farrell at 51. 2 of those would be ok.

Bailey meh, Richards looks alright but nothing special, O'Brien is average too.

Allen wasnt a list need, Tim Kelly wouldn't have stayed and every club knew that, Liam Ryan would have been the same.

What has Farrell done ??