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We were never in that game, their key forwards are everything ours are not.
Review Round 12, 2024 vs Carlton
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Kens shit but it's not because we don't have a team of Maynard's. He's had numerous lists that could have won a flag. I do agree that we need less mentally fragile players though.
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This right here. Game on the line. Coach has opportunity to instil a winning mindset into his team, only to see them capitulate in a handful of minutes.
When is this bumpkin going to be called out for his inability to get his teams mentally prepared.
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Maybe there's some religious thing causing Burton to be in the habit of pulling out early. Idk, but yeah, he's a disgrace, but not as much as the coach who keeps picking him.
Yes they were. Indecisive, tentative and too often losing their footing. Disorganised.
Lachie Jones had everyone guessing!
Midfielders were defensively lazy and did not push back hard enough.
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There's a bit of the Adam 'bombscare' Kingsleys about our Lachie.
Never.
I thought port were probably the best team for 3/4 and jhf was best on ground,Cripps and Walsh lifted in the last.
Did port run out of legs? Thought it was each way going into the 4th and was surprised by the margin at the end.
Good luck for the rest of the season folks.
Did port run out of legs? Thought it was each way going into the 4th and was surprised by the margin at the end.
Good luck for the rest of the season folks.
I've barely missed a home game in the last decade. The crowd numbers are still ok, but there's such a lack of buzz and excitement that there was when Ken just started and it felt like something special might be coming together.
Everyone knows we aren't a realistic chance of challenging for a flag. Fan engagement so low. I assume it's a leading indicator of poor crowds to come and low revenue - the only thing that will end up moving the limpet on 2-3 years from now.
Absolutely sick of Lachie Jones. Want him out of the team for good
Reads the ball poorly, flat footed, does not use his size advantageously
He's like a poorer, shorter Mitch McGovern, and he is already a poorer Jeremy McGovern
Reads the ball poorly, flat footed, does not use his size advantageously
He's like a poorer, shorter Mitch McGovern, and he is already a poorer Jeremy McGovern
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I'm so sick of the praise of mediocrity.
That Geelong win was one of the worst things for us. They kick one more goal, and we're not celebrating the best win ever. Instead we're seeing that game for what it was, a weak side coughing up a 50 point lead.
Then we go on to fluke a win against Hawthorn, that again means we avoid the criticism that being 41 points down against a bottom 4 team should bring.
Then we do the absolute bare minimum, playing 1 quarter against North and come home to play Carlton, full of ourselves again, thinking we're better than we are, not adjusting and making the changes necessary to improve, instead thinking our bumbling along side is good enough.
Good enough, isn't enough. Premiership teams, successful teams aren't just good enough, they are great. They do special things. They fight, they scrap, they're ruthless and hardened. They execute the fundamentals and win the key moments.
We rarely do any of that, and if we do, it's only ever against poor quality opposition.
Need a massive reality check and completely new attitude from the top down.
That Geelong win was one of the worst things for us. They kick one more goal, and we're not celebrating the best win ever. Instead we're seeing that game for what it was, a weak side coughing up a 50 point lead.
Then we go on to fluke a win against Hawthorn, that again means we avoid the criticism that being 41 points down against a bottom 4 team should bring.
Then we do the absolute bare minimum, playing 1 quarter against North and come home to play Carlton, full of ourselves again, thinking we're better than we are, not adjusting and making the changes necessary to improve, instead thinking our bumbling along side is good enough.
Good enough, isn't enough. Premiership teams, successful teams aren't just good enough, they are great. They do special things. They fight, they scrap, they're ruthless and hardened. They execute the fundamentals and win the key moments.
We rarely do any of that, and if we do, it's only ever against poor quality opposition.
Need a massive reality check and completely new attitude from the top down.
RussellEbertHandball
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Being a mongrel bastard means you refuse to be beaten. Michael Wilson was my favourite mongrel bastard in our AFL era. If his opponent beat him on a one on one he had to work his arse off to beat Wilbur.
Look at how many one on one contests we lost in the last quarter. And most of them were easy losses.
Now we arent gonna win every game, but Im sick of seeing us capitulate in so many big expecatation games because we dont go hard enough at winning the ball.
Carlton looked so much better around the contest tonight. Disposal stats, clearance numbers etc were pretty even but it always seems like when there was a scrappy important contest to win, they invariably did so.
Got me thinking - how many players in our side have all of the below:
1. A genuine want/desperation for the contest
2. The physical characteristics for their position to be able to put the opposition off the line of the ball
3. The ability to know how to actually do it
I can think of:
Ollie Wines
Esava Ratgoloea - kinda
Ivan Soldo
That's it..
JHF will get there but still has a 20 year old core and upper body.
Quite a few players have a couple eg Zak Butters has 1 and 3 but not 2. Lachie Jones has 1 and 2 but not 3. Dixon used to have all 3 but now can't move so no for 2. Bergman has 2 and 3 but not 1.
Then think of Carltons side for players that have all 3:
Patrick Cripps
Charlie Curnow
Blake Acres
Nic Newman
Jacob Weitering
George Hewett
Matthew Kennedy
We have an over abundance of skinny, quick, darty players who are often skilled and quality ball movers.
And we need those types too and I'm not for a second saying let's bring back Matt Thomas and Tom Jonas - but we really do need more hard nosed, tough, big arsed, stronger, smart types to balance it out. Especially down back.
Got me thinking - how many players in our side have all of the below:
1. A genuine want/desperation for the contest
2. The physical characteristics for their position to be able to put the opposition off the line of the ball
3. The ability to know how to actually do it
I can think of:
Ollie Wines
Esava Ratgoloea - kinda
Ivan Soldo
That's it..
JHF will get there but still has a 20 year old core and upper body.
Quite a few players have a couple eg Zak Butters has 1 and 3 but not 2. Lachie Jones has 1 and 2 but not 3. Dixon used to have all 3 but now can't move so no for 2. Bergman has 2 and 3 but not 1.
Then think of Carltons side for players that have all 3:
Patrick Cripps
Charlie Curnow
Blake Acres
Nic Newman
Jacob Weitering
George Hewett
Matthew Kennedy
We have an over abundance of skinny, quick, darty players who are often skilled and quality ball movers.
And we need those types too and I'm not for a second saying let's bring back Matt Thomas and Tom Jonas - but we really do need more hard nosed, tough, big arsed, stronger, smart types to balance it out. Especially down back.
Always go , except Thursday nights, just hate them as home games. Ok for tv when casual neutral watcher.
Midfield certainly were playing forward of the contest. They offered zero defensively in that final quarter.
Need a change in recruiters to find a few nasty bastards I reckon.
Yes, yes & YES! I wish I could give this post more than one solitary Like. The team desperately needs more naturally driven competitors in the mould of JHF, Dante, Butters, Lord & Walsh. There’s not a single player in our current defensive half who you would classify as a strong leader. Bergman was tracking okay at one stage, but even he has fallen away badly.
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RussellEbertHandball
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We dont need a team of Maynards. I said i'd take a couple of players like him. You still need your wise old heads like Pendlebury and Sidebottom who are badically on field coaches. They might not be as physically ss tough as Maynard but they are mentally tougher than him.
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We need another coach and one thing he would do is piss off a few of those passengers in that side.
Agree. It’s a culture and mindset thang and that stubborn geezer must go.
In my opinion its a few that need to go such as Burton, Jones, Dixon and Mcentee. Im convinced neither of these four will make it here on out.
Bergman has to go back to defence as he is one of our only good lockdown players. He got caught on Mckay in a contest and funny enough was the only one to defend him well without holding on for dear life.
Rozee needs to come back to replace Bergman on the wing with stints on ball and up fwd.
Give up with Dixon and change the game plan to avoid long down the line. We look far improved without Dixon up forward and it creates much more space.
Im convinced we have the cattle but a few need to be dropped/shifted and structural changes through coaching could be the pivotal difference.
Bergman has to go back to defence as he is one of our only good lockdown players. He got caught on Mckay in a contest and funny enough was the only one to defend him well without holding on for dear life.
Rozee needs to come back to replace Bergman on the wing with stints on ball and up fwd.
Give up with Dixon and change the game plan to avoid long down the line. We look far improved without Dixon up forward and it creates much more space.
Im convinced we have the cattle but a few need to be dropped/shifted and structural changes through coaching could be the pivotal difference.
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The only positive I have taken from tonight is when I spoke with a Director on the Board post match who agreed with me unequivocally when I said the difference between the two teams was that one was well drilled and methodical whilst the other relied on pure talent to overcome their lack of cohesive structure.
Did this director once interview Obama?
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