Preview Round 16, 2023: West Coast v St.Kilda - Optus Stadium, Sunday 2nd July, 4:40PM AEST *WILKIE 100TH*

[Plugger35]

Elliot Yeo injured out for a month

You can thank me for that, I just traded him into my Supercoach team last week.

 

[SteeleSaints]

If anyone can lose to WCE its St Kilda, particularly after the roasting they have had in media this week. Nothing should surprise anymore it will either be a 10 goal win or a loss.

 

[bird_man]

Caminiti is 18 and had never played at the level let alone trained a pre season whereas Billing’s was back training within a month and and is supposedly a fully conditioned mature age body with 10 seasons under his belt. Many players of similar ilk come back within a game or two at VFL level. Let’s also remember he has played incredibly poorly at Sandy also so not becoming of a seasoned pro.

This comparison is bizarre

Firstly one is a key forward, the other a forward flanker

Caminiti may be 19 (not 18) but he came in fit after a full pre season when all of our key forwards were shot down with injury. Had Membrey or King been fit I doubt he plays round one.

Billings did not start his pre season until mid January due to back issues. He then broke his leg 6 weeks later, returned two months later and did a hammy after a few weeks.

We also have Butler and Higgins probably in the best for of their career.

I have no idea how Caminiti getting a game has anything to do with Jack Billings?

Anyway, I'll move on now

 

[busso_mick]

If anyone can lose to WCE its St Kilda, particularly after the roasting they have had in media this week. Nothing should surprise anymore it will either be a 10 goal win or a loss.

Looking at the latest WCE injury list, they have 21 players included. Surely we beat them well this Sunday, but a little voice inside my head says otherwise. Having said that this is a perfect game to give some of our emerging players some key roles and to see what they can produce.

 

[ScrappyDo]

If anyone can lose to WCE its St Kilda, particularly after the roasting they have had in media this week. Nothing should surprise anymore it will either be a 10 goal win or a loss.

WC might put up a better showing thus week but there's no chance they'll risk winning.

 

[beside the seaside]

If anyone can lose to WCE its St Kilda, particularly after the roasting they have had in media this week. Nothing should surprise anymore it will either be a 10 goal win or a loss.

It's hard to really comprehend how bad West Coast are. Think about a 170 point loss, that's basically the equivalent of two absolute hidings in one game. That is next level uncompetitive and it is astounding they didn't sack the coach after that game.

We've been frustrating to watch this year but we have been competitive nearly every week. We are in the hunt for the finals and there's no way I see us losing this.

 

[The Punter]

Stat of the day: St Kilda haven't been in front at half time since Round 8.

 

[MickG88]

it is astounding they didn't sack the coach after that game.

They can't get rid of Simpson, it would cripple them in debt from a pay out to soft cap breaches.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Another plus. We own the time slot.

 

[Remboy]

It's hard to really comprehend how bad West Coast are. Think about a 170 point loss, that's basically the equivalent of two absolute hidings in one game. That is next level uncompetitive and it is astounding they didn't sack the coach after that game.

We've been frustrating to watch this year but we have been competitive nearly every week. We are in the hunt for the finals and there's no way I see us losing this.

I think 'competitive' is an appropriate description of the Saints. We make teams work to beat us but we have to work hard to win. Should be enough to win comfortably this week.

 

[BrutThough]

I think 'competitive' is an appropriate description of the Saints. We make teams work to beat us but we have to work hard to win. Should be enough to win comfortably this week.

That's probably the best explanation I've heard about how we are playing this year.

 

[70s sainter]

It's hard to really comprehend how bad West Coast are. Think about a 170 point loss, that's basically the equivalent of two absolute hidings in one game. That is next level uncompetitive and it is astounding they didn't sack the coach after that game.

We've been frustrating to watch this year but we have been competitive nearly every week. We are in the hunt for the finals and there's no way I see us losing this.

Not sure we’ve been competitive some weeks as our scores may be close , but as we’re such a low scoring side we were never in it .
We were a goal down against Richmond and I had zero belief we would win .

 

[sauce_head]

They can't get rid of Simpson, it would cripple them in debt from a pay out to soft cap breaches.

They have more money than anybody. Well at least they used to.

 

[beside the seaside]

They can't get rid of Simpson, it would cripple them in debt from a pay out to soft cap breaches.

Why would it be any different to us sacking Ratts?

 

[The Slug]

A bitterly cold morning down at training. Skills pretty sloppy (decent shower hit just at they came out).

All the list apart from Coff, Clark, Members and Mclennan took part.

Lots of goal kicking. Did a narrow grid style drill across the ground, where the aim for a high pressure and pressing.

Not a lot notable from the session. Dmac looked good and got involved a lot. Keeler went off early with a hand injury. Can't recall him returning.

 

[StCicatriz]

Not different at all…how many weeks does someone of Billing’s supposed standing at the club need? How long has he been playing at Sandy? And he almost did a full pre season before his injury. In the context of where we are at in the season and the lack of AFL quality below pick 8 to 10 on the list you’d think he’d be way ahead of many even with a shallow fitness base. Somethings up.

not to get involved in the discussion you and birdman have going on

but you are correct on billings... he had a decent block of games in the VFL uninjured and did **** all. he's done. you have butler and higgins ranked 2 & 3 for small fwds in the game. he aint pushing either of those out. so then he has to push someone else out... that leaves Hill, Owens or Phillipou. can't see that happening.

 

[StCicatriz]

If you think 20 plus disposal, 1 goal a game is incredibly poor (coming off an injury) then what is a the standard?

- Jack Billings

vfl.aflmstats.com

thats pretty poor for a guy of billings age

 

[EddieMurphy]

This comparison is bizarre

Firstly one is a key forward, the other a forward flanker

Caminiti may be 19 (not 18) but he came in fit after a full pre season when all of our key forwards were shot down with injury. Had Membrey or King been fit I doubt he plays round one.

Billings did not start his pre season until mid January due to back issues. He then broke his leg 6 weeks later, returned two months later and did a hammy after a few weeks.

We also have Butler and Higgins probably in the best for of their career.

I have no idea how Caminiti getting a game has anything to do with Jack Billings?

Anyway, I'll move on now

In today's world everyone's entitled to their own logic bro

 

[denisp]

If anyone can lose to WCE its St Kilda, particularly after the roasting they have had in media this week. Nothing should surprise anymore it will either be a 10 goal win or a loss.

We won’t lose but it’ll be an ordinary 5 goal win

 

[aussierulesrules]

Just saw that Yeo is out. That’s a huge blow for them.

With him out I’d give massive consideration to resting Steele. Replace him with either Bytel or Seb. If Seb is still carrying something that could benefit from more rest, give him another week off.

 

[DougalHoward]

Leo and Cooper have to play

 

[MordySaint]

not to get involved in the discussion you and birdman have going on

but you are correct on billings... he had a decent block of games in the VFL uninjured and did * all. he's done. you have butler and higgins ranked 2 & 3 for small fwds in the game. he aint pushing either of those out. so then he has to push someone else out... that leaves Hill, Owens or Phillipou. can't see that happening.

Agree with you.

But give Billings a chance to play under RTB, you never know it "could" be the motivation he needs.

Last chance corral.

 

[Cairnsman]

not to get involved in the discussion you and birdman have going on

but you are correct on billings... he had a decent block of games in the VFL uninjured and did * all. he's done. you have butler and higgins ranked 2 & 3 for small fwds in the game. he aint pushing either of those out. so then he has to push someone else out... that leaves Hill, Owens or Phillipou. can't see that happening.

Yeah tend to agree, based on his perceived standing in the list it would appear the club has moved, or is moving on from him, especially as a once automatic selection and member of the core group. It’s harsh but his career reminds me of Fiora’s, just hasn’t worked hard enough to deliver on his natural talent.

 

[NextYearPlease]

I’ve pointed out the differences but I’ll do it again

Caminiti was fully fit and coming off a pre season with another club

I've seen it mentioned a few times now that Caminiti did a full pre season with Carlton. He was a top up for their vfl side - do we really think the top up players at Sandringham did a full pre season with the Saints? Caminiti got noticed as a make up the numbers player in a scratch match.
I think he'll be great for us with a couple of afl pre seasons under his belt.

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[bird_man]

I've seen it mentioned a few times now that Caminiti did a full pre season with Carlton. He was a top up for their vfl side - do we really think the top up players at Sandringham did a full pre season with the Saints? Caminiti got noticed as a make up the numbers player in a scratch match.
I think he'll be great for us with a couple of afl pre seasons under his belt.

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Whether it was with Carltons AFL side or their VFL affiliate, he had an uninterrupted pre season behind him.

Sandringham listed players do their own pre season, they don't just rock up on match day and play.